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Happ Competition joysticks - way too sensitive
Zebidee:
I had similar problems with Happ Comps, but found that there were many people on this forum couldn't understand the problem - However, those people usually liked to play competitive fighting games, where the problems are not really apparent.
Unfortunately, I found that I couldn't play many favourites like Ghosts n Goblins because of the stick "twanging" back and hitting the opposite direction. In GnG, Arthur would often uncontrollably spin around 180 degrees after a volley of spears into a baddie, which pretty much got him killed a lot.
I solved the sensitivity problem using a large metal washer on top of neoprene rings cut from neoprene pipe insulation. This all went underneath the joystick's spring to tighten it up slightly, and made it act more like a joystick with a rubber centreing grommet. For details, look at this thread:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=74087.0
Basically, I put the shims into the P1 joystick only, as most of the games affected were single-player games. With the shims, Arthur was very happily in control of himself and got to kills many ghosts, zombies & demons. I found no (or neglible) impact on playability of fighting games, so I call this a success.
The cab in question was done for a customer - he has been very happy with it since.
Cheers, Zeb.
Jack Burton:
I'm a competitive fighting gamer and IL comps are easily the best joystick of the big black spring loaded variety for fighting games. The original Wico P360 joystick would be a close second.
When people talk about a competition joystick they mean the IL sticks, not the inferior Chinese clones that Happ now sells.
Zebidee, it sounds to me like your customer should just switch the sticks out for Japanese style joysticks. They have absolutely no twang when releasing the joystick. A Sanwa JLW with a long shaft would easily replace your existing sticks.
Zebidee:
--- Quote from: Jack Burton on February 25, 2009, 02:07:19 am ---Zebidee, it sounds to me like your customer should just switch the sticks out for Japanese style joysticks. They have absolutely no twang when releasing the joystick. A Sanwa JLW with a long shaft would easily replace your existing sticks.
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Yeah Jack, I hear you. We're 100% happy with the feel and performance of the modified sticks now (phew!), but I wouldn't buy them again. I would only go for fighting style sticks again if a customer specifically requested them. In fact, one key reason why I chose happ comps that time was because they were available in the four colours that I wanted for the cab (it was a four-player cab, for the whole family!). I won't buy them again!
I'll be looking for Sanwa's next time! Other than that, I (and many of my customers) really like the old MCA joysticks with rubber centering grommets, that are very common in old Australian cabs. I don't think that they are made anymore though. They are a bit stodgy but very reliable and extremely hard-wearing.
bbyte:
--- Quote from: ViciousXUSMC on February 25, 2009, 01:30:15 am ---I'll be another to add that Comps are supposed to be great for fighters and in fact there primary focus. Making it easy to hit diagonals and things.
I got 2 of them from the very same dealer as the OP and I have no problems with any games, I can even play 4 way only games like pac-man with no problems.
I have also the last few days been playing analog only games like Sonic Adventure 2 and Elimental Gimmick Gear with little trouble. I think they are great and very durable sticks.
I investigated how they work in detail when I was building my CP since they were my first joysticks, the square actuator can/will move if you twist the joystick but if you push any direction at all it re-centers itself back to a perfect position. Though I find with normal play even doing full circle motions that you do no twist the joystick while using it, you would have to do that on purpose almost.
I think the OP just needs to get used to the new joysticks they have a shorter distance to activate a switch than the old worn out MK2 sticks, and most pro-fighters want it this way. I mean Sanwa JLF's have an even shorter engage & throw distance and those are incredibly popular as well.
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Well, I like them having a larger engage + throw distance, that's how all MK dedicated cabs are over here. Would it help if I were to replace the actuator with an iL actuator? Or should I get 2 new iL comp sticks from http://www.lizardlickamusements.com/pages/joysticks.shtml?
Gonna play some more tonight and see if I can get used to it, but I doubt it. It's just so easy to accidentically hit a wrong switch because the actuator sits so close to them. Even the slightest move might lead to another direction.
RandyT:
--- Quote from: Ginsu Victim on February 24, 2009, 04:51:37 pm ---See if your actuator floats or not. If it isn't floating, this could be a major issue. (One that RandyT over at GroovyGameGear has been correcting before shipping them out)
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I just wanted to mention here that I no longer modify the black actuators, and haven't for a few months now. Instead, we ship only the white actuator with the HAPP Competition sticks. This one is the original part that floats like it should. There is no performance difference with the sticks we ship and the IL variety. In fact, the HAPP variety actually feel a little better to me when compared directly with the IL versions I have here. YMMV.
RandyT
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