Mac vs. PC(pic)

[loess]

http://www.freshbite.info/fnews_1224745936_11096.htm

As a Mac user, I found this pretty funny because it's partially true - at least before the transition to Intel.

[Goz]

Very true.... except those of us who have built Hackintosh's or Mac Pro's with decent video cards and dual boot into Vista just for 3d games and then escape back into the sanity of a good OS for everything else.

[Level42]

Price's aren't quite right though. And I don't play computer based games. One of the reason's not to need a PC.

[Blanka]

- The Amazon lists are very similar. Call of Duty 4 vs Crysis.
- What is the profit margin for Apple on the Mac and what is the margin on the Dell for Dell? Who's the smart ass here?
- What is the price/year calculated like (price of purchase-price of selling)/years of use? Who's the smart shopper here?
- Who has the cleanest looks, the most awe?

For 4000$ you have a quad mac pro with 8800GT and Eizo 24 inch screen. Not the iMac like pictured.

[patrickl]

If you compose songs or create movies, you buy a Mac. If you want to play games or need to do actual work on your computer then buy a PC.

[DrumAnBass]

For some of us, making movies is actual work...

[Malenko]

the wires are GREATLY exaggerated.  IF I had that many wires I'd tie them up or at least sleeve them.

Keyboard and Mouse I understand. is that a speaker on the bottom of the PC? You can get a PC with speakers built in if you want.

Is that a memory card reader on top of the tower or a wireless receiver? if its a wireless receiver thats dumb, and my computer has a mem card reader built in.

Webcam? thats a joke right?


I understand the gist of the picture is the PC is a wired mess and the Mac isnt.... however Sony makes an all in 1 PC that gets wired up just like the mac, so I dont really see the point.

[AtomSmasher]

the wires are GREATLY exaggerated.  IF I had that many wires I'd tie them up or at least sleeve them.

Keyboard and Mouse I understand. is that a speaker on the bottom of the PC? You can get a PC with speakers built in if you want.

Is that a memory card reader on top of the tower or a wireless receiver? if its a wireless receiver thats dumb, and my computer has a mem card reader built in.

Webcam? thats a joke right?


I understand the gist of the picture is the PC is a wired mess and the Mac isnt.... however Sony makes an all in 1 PC that gets wired up just like the mac, so I dont really see the point.

Mac's can also get better then 8fps on Super Mario World, but the exaggeration is part of the joke.

[Malenko]

I guess because Im a PC user who doesnt care if someone else uses a Mac , I just dont get it.

[AtomSmasher]

I guess because Im a PC user who doesnt care if someone else uses a Mac , I just dont get it.

That can't be it because I'm also a PC user who doesn't care if someone else uses a Mac and I get the joke 

It's making fun of both PC's and Mac's, or at least the stereotypes of each of them.

[ChadTower]

I guess because Im a PC user who doesnt care if someone else uses a Mac , I just dont get it.

You probably do get it.  It's just not funny so you're looking for a joke that isn't there.  PC vs Mac, we get it, right? 

[Level42]

If you compose songs or create movies, you buy a Mac. If you want to play games or need to do actual work on your computer then buy a PC.

Tell me one "work" thing that you can't do with a Mac. Actually you are much more productive on a Mac because you're not wasting a lot of time on system maintenance.

[Blanka]

however Sony makes an all in 1 PC that gets wired up just like the mac, so I dont really see the point.

That Sony is more expensive and less good looking then the iMac. And no-one sues you for using the iMac as Vista-only machine. You might be blaspheming Mac Users, but it is a better all-in-one PC than the VAIO.

[saint]

If you compose songs or create movies, you buy a Mac. If you want to play games or need to do actual work on your computer then buy a PC.

Tell me one "work" thing that you can't do with a Mac.

Blue screen.

[Level42]

If you compose songs or create movies, you buy a Mac. If you want to play games or need to do actual work on your computer then buy a PC.

Tell me one "work" thing that you can't do with a Mac.

Blue screen.

But yes it's true. You won't hear me saying that programs never hang on a Mac (although very rare) but I've NEVER had the system crash completely in the two years that I own it.

Looking at boot screens is also one of those things that get strange when you got a Mac. It goes into (and out of) stand-by within a second so that's what I always use.

[AtomSmasher]

If you compose songs or create movies, you buy a Mac. If you want to play games or need to do actual work on your computer then buy a PC.

Tell me one "work" thing that you can't do with a Mac. Actually you are much more productive on a Mac because you're not wasting a lot of time on system maintenance.

Every work related program I use is not Mac compatible.  

I guess I could get a Mac to do my web browsing and emailing, then switch to XP anytime I'm working or playing games  

[Malenko]

You probably do get it.  It's just not funny so you're looking for a joke that isn't there.  PC vs Mac, we get it, right? 

actually I dont get. Its like a fight between pepsi and coke. it pointless. If you prefer one thats the one you use. I have never and will never understand the point of trying to prove one is better then the other when its based on opinion. Im sure if I had a Mac I could check my email just as fast as I do on my PC.

I personally dont like All-In-One computers, while they are sleek and elegant looking, replacing a broken component seems like a giant pain in the nuts. I for one think the Viao is very cool looking with the glass frame but at the same time, I like how the Mac looks more like a computer; I personally wouldnt want either one.

[patrickl]

Yeah, what AtomSmasher said  

Level42, Is there anything but webbrowsing that you do on your Mac?

[ChadTower]

actually I dont get. Its like a fight between pepsi and coke. it pointless. If you prefer one thats the one you use. I have never and will never understand the point of trying to prove one is better then the other when its based on opinion.

...and that was my point.   

[FrizzleFried]

Funny thing is they are both the same now...yet the MacFan's out there insist their's is better.

BTW: Windows XP hasn't completely crashed on me in over 2 years either...

Back in the day there was a difference... today,  not so much so.

And one thing remains true...Apple charges 2x+ for theirs than anyone else does for theirs.

[ChadTower]

...you may change your opinion slightly when you move to Vista.  I'm a PC guy and Vista made me consider moving to Macs.

[(+_+)]

In all fareness, when you rush something out the door with the scope that Vista, .Net and the flood of cool technologies Microsoft has been releasing over the past few years, it is no wonder it is a little buggy. Mac software are toys when you compare it to the business side that microsoft has to produce for and the huge demands and expectations to live up to all while under the incessant and constant scrutiny of the entire world. I'd say it's almost a miracle that they keep up. Just pull any one larger technology that they have produced such as MS SQL Server 2008 and the complexity of the overall package is apt to make you run home screaming to you mother. And then it has to play well with Vista along with every other app or game that has every been released since the dawn of the PC age and run without a hitch on the PC platform. Come on, give them a break already. 

[ChadTower]

Did he really just say "in all fairness, when you rush development and fail at QA, the product should suck, so they deserve a break"?

[shardian]

Everyone I know that has Vista has every single program running in XP mode. WTF is the point of Vista then?

[(+_+)]

In all fairness to the products themselves, I believe the developpers/testers have done a fantastic job. But lets not forget the pressure and timelines they have to deal with to meet customer and executive expectations while still releasing such amazing stuff quite regulary. Vista still isn't perfect but it'll only get better and better just as XP did all the while offering more that MAC will ever dream of with it's expensive and pretty little hollow package.

[patrickl]

I don't have much problems with Vista. It's a tad slower, but other than that it works fine. I'd rather have Windows XP still, but I can't be bothered to install Windows XP for such a small difference.

To be honest I hate all the graphic nonsense so I switch to the classic (Windows 2000) look of the interface.

[FrizzleFried]

...you may change your opinion slightly when you move to Vista.  I'm a PC guy and Vista made me consider moving to Macs.

I will "NEVER" willingly move to Vista... the day I am forced to is the day it happens.   I think I'll end up skipping that OS all together.

[AtomSmasher]

...you may change your opinion slightly when you move to Vista.  I'm a PC guy and Vista made me consider moving to Macs.

I will "NEVER" willingly move to Vista... the day I am forced to is the day it happens.   I think I'll end up skipping that OS all together.

The next version of Windows is supposed to come out late 2009 (so about a year from now) which means if you haven't switched to Vista yet, then you should be able to wait for the next OS.  The next version of Windows seems to basically be an enchanced service pack for Vista, but it looks like they've addressed most of Vista's criticisms so it will hopefully be pretty good.  I honestly think the majority of the new features would of just been part of a service pack if Vista was more popular (similar to service pack 2 for XP), but it makes financial sense to seperate it away from Vista.

IMO Vista's biggest technical problem was lack of driver support at it's release, but I think it's actually a decent OS now.  I even recently saw a video game benchmark comparison between Vista and XP and the frame rates were virtually identical.

[Zero_Hour]

I run 3 OS on my current Rig.

Vista64 Bit - I mainly use it for MAME 64. I had been using Vista non-stop since Beta 2, with no crashes. There were issues (slow file copy for one) that were not resolved until SP1, but overall I have never had more trouble with it than I did in the early days of XP. Driver support has been a legit issue for Vista users, I just got lucky there.

XP 32Bit - For a while I had run Vista exclusively, but when I moved to Vista 64bit, I threw XP32 back on for the few games I play (none of which use DX10)

OS X - I Put it on because I'm using it more and more at work (University), and wanted to have a better understanding of it's features. I've started using the ADOBE suite on it, but for me there is not much noticeable difference in performance from one platform to another. I'm not a power user though.

I use all of them with a fair amount of regularity, and Firefox & iTunes are the only apps I run on all platforms. I am looking forward to Apple launching a 64bit version of OSX, as all of their 1st party applications are reported to be migrating to 64bit as well. If MAME64 is any indication, the boost on my system will be fairly noticeable, and one of the rare moments when a software upgrade nets me better CPU performance. I wish there were more 64bit apps for me to throw on Vista as well - The hardware advances are really outpacing the software advances these days.

Honestly I've always seen the PC vs. MAC argument to be about as stupid as the ATARI vs. Commodore argument was when I was younger.
They're just tools. Use the one that works best for you.

[ChadTower]

I even recently saw a video game benchmark comparison between Vista and XP and the frame rates were virtually identical.

I'm not sure "it isn't slower than the last version" is much of an endorsement.

[Xiaou2]

Being an avid computerist  heh...  I can tell you that Im not a fan of the Mac.

 I had to work on one a short time ago at my job.  Replacing the Hard drive
was a nightmare.  You need a special tool just to open the thing, which I didnt
have.  Had to destroy on of my credit cards to get it opened. (no big loss cause
I was never going to use it... but what a pain)

 Once opened,  you have several screws and cables that must be disconnected...
but thats only after you spend 15 minutes trying to undo the EM shielding without
tearing it to shreads. (thin metalic foil that is glued in place firmly. Sorta like
aluminum foil.. but a little more heavy duty)

 Two of them needed Hard drive replacement.. and its no wonder... because there
is almost no airflow in that thing.   The things were cooked to an early death.

 
 On a pc, I can rip out one of my HDs in 2 min tops.   I can add as many as I need
without needing some slow USB connection.  I can tweak my hardware when things
need upgrading such as Video cards with dual monitor out, HDMI, etc.  If a part goes
bad, its easy to replace without some uber expensive hard to get hold of part.

 As for the OS... While I didnt spend a lot of time with it... I cant say that I was
impressed.  It was just about as cumbersome and inefficient as any other OS...
and didnt seem like you could tweak it too much to your liking, as I could with Xp.

 I didnt like the Keyboard at all.  No concave buttons make it too easy to slip
off them and not know which letter you are pressing.  They didnt have a good feel
to them either.

 While Windows is filled with problems that I really hate... I still prefer it for the
advantages it has over Macs.

 As for the Creative aspects... I find that argument really funny.   Windows can operate any of the big name creative programs such as Photoshop, 3d studio max..etc.  Theres
probably more software dedicated to creation on pc than there ever will be on
a Mac os.   
 

[Zero_Hour]

I'm going to assume that you were working on an iMac or a mini (not sure about how the minis open), but the problems you speak of aren't unique to iMacs, rather just about any "all in one" computer. I 've had to work on a lot of hardware over the years, and the Gateway Astro takes the prize for worst system I've ever had to crack open. Of course the success of the iMacs only increases the chance that you'll get to repeat the process you described. Conversely, a Mac Pro is one of the simplest computers to work on I've ever encountered.

[AtomSmasher]

I even recently saw a video game benchmark comparison between Vista and XP and the frame rates were virtually identical.

I'm not sure "it isn't slower than the last version" is much of an endorsement.

When Vista came out it was significantly slower then XP in video game performance, but the problem turned out to be poor video drivers, which has since been resolved, so it is a point worth making.  Also, this was a directX 9 to directX 9 comparison, so if you upgrade to directX 10, you will see a significant graphical improvement on several games.

[patrickl]

I even recently saw a video game benchmark comparison between Vista and XP and the frame rates were virtually identical.

I'm not sure "it isn't slower than the last version" is much of an endorsement.

Well since the OS is supposed to do more and it still does things at the same pace that is an endorsement. Sort of.

The performance differences between XP and Vista have disappeared with SP1 for Vista. The driver problems should be sorted by now. Vista is more secure than Windows XP (and it's certainly is a hell of a lot more secure than OS X). So, what is there still to complain about Vista?

I got Vista with a new notebook that I purchased so I had no driver problems. It hasn't crashed on me yet (used the thing for a year now). The only problem I had was with installing a USB temperature sensor, but that didn't install on a Windows XP machine either.

Lol, I looked for some benchmarks and apparently Vista is faster on a Mac Pro than OS X  

[Xiaou2]

Imac.

 I really dont like the compact cases on some pcs.. but  they are
cake compared to the Imac's.   The EM shielding removal took me like 15 min
(and another 10 to put it back on!).. let alone getting the darn thing opened without scratching it or breaking the shell.

 I build my own pcs,  and upgrading/working on them is a cinch.  Buying a storebought pc
is a horrible waste of money.   Pay 2 times as much for hardware that is
snail slow, an OS loaded with crapware, and the hardware probably cant be upgraded.  (maxed out the day you buy it)

[Ummon]

To be honest I hate all the graphic nonsense so I switch to the classic (Windows 2000) look of the interface.

This one always gives me a chuckle. Certainly this is a factor in why Macs are so popular - the interface doesn't 'look clunky, but 'artful' ' .

[Blanka]

Lol, I looked for some benchmarks and apparently Vista is faster on a Mac Pro than OS X 

That's no benchmarks! Its just some opinion.

And why is Vista running so good, because the MacPro is the best PC.

Some buying guide:

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OS of choice         OSX             Vista
<1000 euro           buy Hackintosh  buy PC (The PC is actually the same as the Hackintosh)
1000-2000 euro       buy Hackintosh  buy PC (if you want some Eizo instead of crappy bundle/built in mirror screens)
1000-2000 euro       buy iMac        consider iMac (in case graphics card and monitor quality is total ass to you)
>2000 euro           buy MacPro      buy MacPro
All in one           buy iMac        buy iMac

[Blanka]

Where is the MacMini in the buying guide? It's ignored because the machine is total awesome yet total ass.
It is the best crafted Mac ever, and the best selling one at the moment!
Yet it should have been 20x20x5cm, have a Wolfdale E8400 3Ghz, use a 500Gb 3,5 inch SATA, be CD/DVD-drive-less (OSX on USB stick), have built in PSU, been based on a desktop chipset with decent 1333mhz FSB and sport some decent graphics like a 9600GT. Why o why did they go with notebook components on a desktop? Therefore, the MacMini is banned to hell on my list, yet I cuddle every day with my G4 mini. It's so demmit cute!

[danny_galaga]

...you may change your opinion slightly when you move to Vista.  I'm a PC guy and Vista made me consider moving to Macs.

I will "NEVER" willingly move to Vista... the day I am forced to is the day it happens.   I think I'll end up skipping that OS all together.

hehe. i was like that with XP. if my pc hadnt died in 2002, id still be using win98!

[Blanka]

I have the same with OSX. Because of the springy dock, the black apple, the welcome video, the default desktop, too much brushed metal and the Time Machine fancy graphics, I refuse to go from Tiger to Leopard. But the programmers run away with Leopard. If all started writing Cocoa back in the 10.1 era, they actually would be programming good software now, and supporting Jaguar through Leopard would be peanuts. But many still use Carbon, and make programs Leo only because of support for some fancy Leopard function that no-one uses. So for the future apps, I have to buy that ugly purple-galaxy X-box some day I fear. Snow Leopard may be the light at the horizon, but somehow I fear even more crap with 10.6. Snow Leopard, who came up with that stupid name? Maybe its time to call it OSX 7. Just dull and efficient like Windows 7. Or OS 16! If we start counting from OS 1 again.... Snow Leo would be OS 16. Thats a bit more updates than on the Windows side. Steve earned a lot of OS dollars because of that!

Wait! Those retards in Redmond miscalculated! 1,2,3,95,98,2000,XP,Vista.... Windows 9!

[patrickl]

Wait! Those retards in Redmond miscalculated! 1,2,3,95,98,2000,XP,Vista.... Windows 9!

Actually it's Win 3, NT 3, NT 4, NT 5 (2000), NT 5.1 (Xp), NT 6 (Vista) ...

[patrickl]

Lol, I looked for some benchmarks and apparently Vista is faster on a Mac Pro than OS X 

That's no benchmarks! Its just some opinion.

And why is Vista running so good, because the MacPro is the best PC.

Yet OS X is worse than the apparently "crappy" Vista on the same hardware.

[patrickl]

To be honest I hate all the graphic nonsense so I switch to the classic (Windows 2000) look of the interface.

This one always gives me a chuckle. Certainly this is a factor in why Macs are so popular - the interface doesn't 'look clunky, but 'artful' ' .

Well as the Mac Pro guy actually said, he liked the Vista interface better than whatever he had running on OS X too.

Anyway, I don't want "artful", but I want "business". I don't want shiny buttons and see through effects. No "form over function" for me.

[Blanka]

Anyway, I don't want "artful", but I want "business". I don't want shiny buttons and see through effects. No "form over function" for me.

That sentence is just plain asking for OSX. Tiger looks dull plain here. As a bonus you get more screen estate, as all the buttons and other eye-candy are bigger in Vista.

[patrickl]

Anyway, I don't want "artful", but I want "business". I don't want shiny buttons and see through effects. No "form over function" for me.

That sentence is just plain asking for OSX. Tiger looks dull plain here. As a bonus you get more screen estate, as all the buttons and other eye-candy are bigger in Vista.

Not when you use the classic (Windows 20000) theme in Vista.

[DrumAnBass]

Yet another reason I am a Mac user - Tron Guy:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPON5i7Iivw[/youtube]

[2600]

I use all of them with a fair amount of regularity, and Firefox & iTunes are the only apps I run on all platforms. I am looking forward to Apple launching a 64bit version of OSX, as all of their 1st party applications are reported to be migrating to 64bit as well. If MAME64 is any indication, the boost on my system will be fairly noticeable, and one of the rare moments when a software upgrade nets me better CPU performance. I wish there were more 64bit apps for me to throw on Vista as well - The hardware advances are really outpacing the software advances these days.

FYI, Leopard is 64-bit and Tiger had limited 64-bit support.

[protokatie]

Ahh the good ol' days. I still miss my C64, and GEOS was the bomb back then

[boykster]

Wait! Those retards in Redmond miscalculated! 1,2,3,95,98,2000,XP,Vista.... Windows 9!

Actually it's Win 3, NT 3, NT 4, NT 5 (2000), NT 5.1 (Xp), NT 6 (Vista) ...

eh, forgot Windows 1 and 2...yes, there were Windows 1.x and windows 2.x releases

And it does get funky when the NT kernel and win9x kernel paths split.

[boykster]

Ahh the good ol' days. I still miss my C64, and GEOS was the bomb back then

I loved GEOS on my C=64.....that was teh kewl!

[DrumAnBass]

Hehe I was a major GEOS user back in the day too; doing my reports for high school in different fonts with illustrations etc, printing em on my dot matrix printer for hours on end... Ah man those were the days ;-)

[Dartful Dodger]

A better Mac vs. PC(pic) wound be to have the title say Mac vs. PC(2004-2008)
Use the same PC pic but on the Mac side have that computer sitting on top of a pile of 3 older gimicky computers with a $4000x4 price tag under it.

What drove me away from Macs was that every year they'd release a new operating system that made the older operating system obsolete and you couldn't upgrade to it because it was to big to run the previous year's computer.

My first Mac was an OS 7 and I was upset with Microsoft because it seemed that Windows was trying to bend over backwards to make Macs incompatible with PCs.  The next year Mac OS 8 was released and Macintosh was trying to bend me over forwards.

I can still run most of the newer programs on a Win98 machine.