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RayB:
Randy, I get Shmokes point loud and clear. I don't know why you don't. He says that no matter how honest or factual a person is, their opinion will still get scrutinized or assumed to possibly be biased if the person with the opinion has a vested interest in the thing they are talking about. How hard is that to understand? It's not an accusation, it's human nature.

RandyT:

--- Quote from: RayB on October 20, 2008, 12:05:09 pm ---Randy, I get Shmokes point loud and clear. I don't know why you don't. He says that no matter how honest or factual a person is, their opinion will still get scrutinized or assumed to possibly be biased if the person with the opinion has a vested interest in the thing they are talking about. How hard is that to understand? It's not an accusation, it's human nature.

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Yes, I do get it.  Said so in the last post. 

You can suspect it if you like, but if you are going to attach that kind of sentiment to an individual, you might want to have something to back it up.  Shilling one's own products, defending inaccurate technological claims and downright lying about a products capabilities would be good examples of why someone should be distrustful of a vendor.  Merely being the inventor / provider of the product is not.

I mean, when your cable company tells you they are all-digital and provide better service than your antenna can, do you automatically distrust the statement because they provide the service?

We are discussing quantifiable facts, not simple statements like X is better than Y.  You don't need to rely on trust, as you can test these claims for yourself (quite simply, in fact.)  They do not exist in some ethereal place where only the inventor can see them, rather they are in plain view if you take the time to look.  You can't just arbitrarily discount information of this nature because you think someone might have a motive to lie.

One's credibility, which is what shmokes stated I had none of, is directly linked to one's reputation.  I am merely defending mine.

RandyT

TPB:

shmokes, how many pieces of advice are you offering to Randy ?

I get your point about the owner of a business having a vested interest in plugging their own products.  But are you suggesting that Randy should refrain from posting altogether ?


--- Quote from: shmokes on October 15, 2008, 12:11:00 pm ---
the inventor sucks as public relations.


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If Randy employed a PR spokesman, that person would have the same "vested interest" as himself, in plugging his employer's products.  So evidently, this piece of advice has no connection to that argument.

You mention above, that you weren't insulting Randy, but I can see how it could be interpreted this way.

Maybe Randy could do with a PR face (couldn't we all), but that's his own personal decision, it's not something that needs to be forced down his throat.

TPB:

Returning to the thread's topic ...

The OP has made his decision.

He's gone for the TT-HL.



--- Quote from: Visitor Q on October 20, 2008, 04:37:04 pm ---
TurboTwist High-Low Spinner


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shmokes:

--- Quote from: TPB on October 21, 2008, 09:39:25 am ---
shmokes, how many pieces of advice are you offering to Randy ?


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Two, I suppose. 

The discussion about bias and vested interests is a digression and it is in that discussion that I said I was not insulting Randy.  And I wasn't.  I didn't mean it as an insult at all, and it is strange for him to take it as an insult.  Randy wants to make a profit on the TTHL.  If that's not possible, he wants to break even.  If that's not possible, he'd like to lose as little money as possible on it.  I didn't say that money is his only interest in making the TTHL, but it is an interest even if it is simply a desire to lose as little of it as possible.  Randy would LOVE it if somebody placed an order tomorrow for 1000 TTHL spinners.  RetroBlast, on the other hand, would not care in the slightest whether somebody places an order tomorrow for 1000 TTHL spinners.  I'm sorry, Randy, but there simply is a difference there. 

On the larger question of public relations, it's reasonable to take my comment (that he sucks at it) as an insult.  I mean it as criticism, though, not an insult.  He really does suck at it quite badly, and it cuts into his bottom line, IMO.  He can do what he wants with my criticisim: take it as an insult and resent me for it, go indifferent and just ignore it, or accept the criticism and try to improve.  Makes no difference to me.  I'm over it.   ;D

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