Atkins Induction

[Xiaou2]

 
 China and Japan have a very low count of obese citizens.    They also look about
10+ years younger than the typical good looking westerner.

 They eat rice and noodles in decent quantities... Yet dont gain massive weight.
Why?


 I believe the real killer is fat content.   Too many people are snacking on high fat
foods and snacks such as:  Cheese, salad dressings, Ice cream, candy bars,
French Fries, etc.

 They also do not overeat meat.  Meat is mixed sparingly with rice and veggies.


 As far as I understand it... A sugar is pretty easy to digest and turn into instant energy.   If not needed... it can eventually turn into fat... but that process takes a good deal of energy to accomplish..  thus not much will be added this way.

 However.... if you eat a dose of Fat,  it seems like it does not even need to be
converted.   It simply just breaks down and re-collects in your body elsewhere.

 To burn fat off... takes a lot more workout than to burn the same portion of
instant energy sugars.


  If you took someone who drunk 5 glasses of whole milk every day,
vs a person who drank 5 sodas a day,   who do you think will get fatter faster?


 Of course... on the other end of the spectrum... If you take a guy who eats one
high fat Ice cream a week... and a guy who has the eqivilent  10 liters of
soda a day, every day...   then obviously the guy who eats the one fatty treat will
not gain as much as the other person who is taking in way too many calories.

 The problem then is realistic portion control.    Many people have both
problems.   They eat High fatty foods.. AND eat Massive quantities.


 There arnt enough hours in most peoples day to exercise off all the fat and
massive calorie intake that most of these overweight people take in.

 Exercise will surely help burn off weight... but... you cant expect to lose much
if you just keep stuffing more crap in.   And obviously... if you are working out, you are
probably going to feel more hunger.   So... will you then grab a pizza?  or go
for a 10 lb salad with 1/3 bottle of high fat dressing topped with a 2" cube worth
of cheese?   Or will you continue to eat low meals with the same frequency, same
portion size... and maintain lowfat intake?

 You can lose fat the healthy way.... or do it the extreme way.  However, no matter
which way you do it...  you are more than likely to put all that weight right back
on unless you change your learned eating habits.   

The difference is... if you lose weight unhealthily.. and then gain it back.. and repeat
that process again and again... you just may take years off your lifespan.  And or
worse... have need for dangerous surgeries... and lifelong health issues.

[ark_ader]

 China and Japan have a very low count of obese citizens.    They also look about
10+ years younger than the typical good looking westerner.

 They eat rice and noodles in decent quantities... Yet dont gain massive weight.
Why?


 I believe the real killer is fat content.   Too many people are snacking on high fat
foods and snacks such as:  Cheese, salad dressings, Ice cream, candy bars,
French Fries, etc.

 They also do not overeat meat.  Meat is mixed sparingly with rice and veggies.


 As far as I understand it... A sugar is pretty easy to digest and turn into instant energy.   If not needed... it can eventually turn into fat... but that process takes a good deal of energy to accomplish..  thus not much will be added this way.

 However.... if you eat a dose of Fat,  it seems like it does not even need to be
converted.   It simply just breaks down and re-collects in your body elsewhere.

 To burn fat off... takes a lot more workout than to burn the same portion of
instant energy sugars.


  If you took someone who drunk 5 glasses of whole milk every day,
vs a person who drank 5 sodas a day,   who do you think will get fatter faster?


 Of course... on the other end of the spectrum... If you take a guy who eats one
high fat Ice cream a week... and a guy who has the eqivilent  10 liters of
soda a day, every day...   then obviously the guy who eats the one fatty treat will
not gain as much as the other person who is taking in way too many calories.

 The problem then is realistic portion control.    Many people have both
problems.   They eat High fatty foods.. AND eat Massive quantities.


 There arnt enough hours in most peoples day to exercise off all the fat and
massive calorie intake that most of these overweight people take in.

 Exercise will surely help burn off weight... but... you cant expect to lose much
if you just keep stuffing more crap in.   And obviously... if you are working out, you are
probably going to feel more hunger.   So... will you then grab a pizza?  or go
for a 10 lb salad with 1/3 bottle of high fat dressing topped with a 2" cube worth
of cheese?   Or will you continue to eat low meals with the same frequency, same
portion size... and maintain lowfat intake?

 You can lose fat the healthy way.... or do it the extreme way.  However, no matter
which way you do it...  you are more than likely to put all that weight right back
on unless you change your learned eating habits.   

The difference is... if you lose weight unhealthily.. and then gain it back.. and repeat
that process again and again... you just may take years off your lifespan.  And or
worse... have need for dangerous surgeries... and lifelong health issues.

What year are you thinking the above relates to?   

Orientals recently have the highest level of diabetes ever seen.  In the UK you see posters asking if your are Asian, over 40 with a weight size of 37 or more you might have type 2 diabetes.  most of the orientals here in the UK are older with huge waistlines.  Only the younger orientals are thin or kind of thin.

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/worrying_failure_to/

Maybe if all these guys went on my Atkins Induction Diet earlier, we would see a reduction of cases of Type 2 Diabetes. 

Sorry Xiaou2 you need to back up some of your comments with real world statistics.  I'm on a high fat diet, and I'm losing my body fat a stone a week.  Rice and Pasta makes you fat.  The old saying that you will never find a fat Chinese man by eating rice, isn't accurate.  The average Chinese man is eating a small bowl once a day with some protein a few times a week.  I'm sure there are more Chinese getting less than that.  More like millions in borderline starvation.  Don't forget to add Burmese into the equation.  I wonder what they are getting...

The current surge in city wealth contradicts how many live in rural China.  Asian males might look younger, but Asian females age quicker.  Could be diet or living conditions related too.

Over a billion Chinese and you come out with that comment?   Please at least could you share with us your source of information?  I would like to learn more about your source of information.   

[Ummon]

The difference is probably in portion size. You can eat unhealthy crap, but if you don't eat too much of it you still won't gain weight.

I've eaten in restaurants all over the US and portions tend to be twice the size of the portions served in European restaurants. If you finish your plate in the US you will gain a lot of weight pretty fast. I guess the doggy bag is a good alternative, but if the plate is filled with too much food then people tend to eat too much.

The weirdest thing I got was a free refil cup at some burger place off a highway. It was a 1 liter cardboard bucket that I could refil as often as I wanted. I can't imagine drinking more than a liter of soda in one go. There were families there that did refil their buckets though.

Skinny or fat with no muscle equals the same.

 I believe the real killer is fat content.  

I think it's not.

 China and Japan have a very low count of obese citizens.    They also look about
10+ years younger than the typical good looking westerner.

 They eat rice and noodles in decent quantities... Yet dont gain massive weight.
Why?


 I believe the real killer is fat content.   Too many people are snacking on high fat
foods and snacks such as:  Cheese, salad dressings, Ice cream, candy bars,
French Fries, etc.

 They also do not overeat meat.  Meat is mixed sparingly with rice and veggies.


 As far as I understand it... A sugar is pretty easy to digest and turn into instant energy.   If not needed... it can eventually turn into fat... but that process takes a good deal of energy to accomplish..  thus not much will be added this way.

 However.... if you eat a dose of Fat,  it seems like it does not even need to be
converted.   It simply just breaks down and re-collects in your body elsewhere.

 To burn fat off... takes a lot more workout than to burn the same portion of
instant energy sugars.


  If you took someone who drunk 5 glasses of whole milk every day,
vs a person who drank 5 sodas a day,   who do you think will get fatter faster?


 Of course... on the other end of the spectrum... If you take a guy who eats one
high fat Ice cream a week... and a guy who has the eqivilent  10 liters of
soda a day, every day...   then obviously the guy who eats the one fatty treat will
not gain as much as the other person who is taking in way too many calories.

 The problem then is realistic portion control.    Many people have both
problems.   They eat High fatty foods.. AND eat Massive quantities.


 There arnt enough hours in most peoples day to exercise off all the fat and
massive calorie intake that most of these overweight people take in.

 Exercise will surely help burn off weight... but... you cant expect to lose much
if you just keep stuffing more crap in.   And obviously... if you are working out, you are
probably going to feel more hunger.   So... will you then grab a pizza?  or go
for a 10 lb salad with 1/3 bottle of high fat dressing topped with a 2" cube worth
of cheese?   Or will you continue to eat low meals with the same frequency, same
portion size... and maintain lowfat intake?

 You can lose fat the healthy way.... or do it the extreme way.  However, no matter
which way you do it...  you are more than likely to put all that weight right back
on unless you change your learned eating habits.   

The difference is... if you lose weight unhealthily.. and then gain it back.. and repeat
that process again and again... you just may take years off your lifespan.  And or
worse... have need for dangerous surgeries... and lifelong health issues.

What year are you thinking the above relates to?  

Orientals recently have the highest level of diabetes ever seen.  In the UK you see posters asking if your are Asian, over 40 with a weight size of 37 or more you might have type 2 diabetes.  most of the orientals here in the UK are older with huge waistlines.  Only the younger orientals are thin or kind of thin.

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/worrying_failure_to/

Maybe if all these guys went on my Atkins Induction Diet earlier, we would see a reduction of cases of Type 2 Diabetes. 

Sorry Xiaou2 you need to back up some of your comments with real world statistics. 

I'm not supporting him, per se, but I think he's talking about indigenous people, not those in western countries.

[Jdurg]

BMI is one of the most fallable, incorrect measurements of overall health out there.  Nearly all, if not all, body builders have BMI's that consider them obese.  Muscle is MUCH more dense than fat is.  % body fat is the most proper determination of health out there.  A high % of body fat is more unhealthy than a high BMI.  You can have a proper BMI, but if your body fat percentage is too high you are in MUCH worse shape than someone with a high BMI and low body fat percentage.

The general measure of whether you're fat or not is how many calories you intake versus how many you spend.  If you ingest 5,000 Calories every day and only exert 4,000 Calories, those extra 1,000 Calories need to go somewhere and they go into you fat cells as your body stores them.  It doesn't matter WHERE they come from.  It's just that one gram of fat has more calories than one gram of protein does.  So if your intake is mostly fat, your intake has more calories than the same intake of protein does.

That's how the Atkin's Diet works.  You take in probably an equal amount of calories, but so much more of it is protein rather than fat and carbohydrates that you lose weight.  Still, if you intake a larger number of calories than you spend, you'll put on weight.

[ChadTower]

It should be noted that long term over-ingestion of protein in balance terms damages the kidneys.  Ask an older bobybuilder to pee sometime and see what happens to them as they get older.  Ever notice you never meet a 70 year old guy who used to be a bodybuilder?  It's not so different, though it takes a lot longer, than what alcohol does to the liver.  People are omnivores for a reason.

[Xiaou2]

Sorry Xiaou2 you need to back up some of your comments with real world statistics.

 Where?  From highly Motivated sources?  Few figures are trustworthy Imop.
Youve already misinterpreted/twisted my meaning with statistics that do not
relate to what I was posting/meaning.    Meaning... Asians in Asian countries.  Not
Asians in western/european places where the diet/intake is crap.

 

I'm on a high fat diet, and I'm losing my body fat a stone a week.

 And clogging your arteries?  And raising your blood pressure?  Damaging the
internals?   A good tradeoff?


 

Rice and Pasta makes you fat.

 Nearly ANYTHING will make you fat if you eat enough of it.   The point was already
posted... that a gram of fat will have more calories than a gram of Rice or Pasta.

The old saying that you will never find a fat Chinese man by eating rice, isn't accurate.  The average Chinese man is eating a small bowl once a day with some protein a few times a week.  I'm sure there are more Chinese getting less than that.  More like millions in borderline starvation.  Don't forget to add Burmese into the equation.  I wonder what they are getting...

  I personally have had a few Chinese girlfriends.   One GF and her mother ate rice
all the time.  They were skinny as hell. 

 Ive also been to Taiwan.   Ive seen the things they ate... and ate them too.  I was
there for an entire month.   It was very rare to see anyone overweight...  in fact...
I cant even recall any.   (and they even have some western shops/foods over there)

 On the way to Taiwan, I had to stop over in Japan.   Very similar foods.  Always some
rice or noodles with a dish.   Very few overweight people.

 Not all of these people are as dirt poor as you think.    The cost of living in Taiwan is
very low.  A good meal is can be had for almost no money at all... and that is in their
own currency, and not the USD. 


 Granted.. some weight issues are Genetic.  However.. the shear mass of the population
and the lack of them being overweight says a Lot about how good their diet is
compared to Western or European places.

The current surge in city wealth contradicts how many live in rural China.  Asian males might look younger, but Asian females age quicker.  Could be diet or living conditions related too.

 Ive heard this is so in places like the Philippines.  (probably too much UV damages)  However, Ive not seen this in places like China or Japan.


 You Could lose weight eating Burger King Burgers...  But you would have to run
like 40 miles a day...   and in the end.. the crap would end up killing you internally.
(skinny as bones... to bones in an early grave)

[protokatie]

So indeed you can stay fine wherever you eat. A Dutch reporter did the Super Size Me thing. He ate only at McDonalds for a month. He stuck to a normal caloric intake (instead of consuming 5000 kcal a day like the American reporter). His health actually improved.

Got a link for the vid on that? It would be interesting to compare the two. I would think the way the American did it would be a bit more applicable, as his rules where basically 3 meals a day (Main, side, and beverage) and this would be more like what someone who for some odd reason could only eat a McD's would tend to order. I could easily see how following a reasonable caloric intake would be feasible, but I don't see how one would be able to eat 3 meals at McD's (different meals each day) and stay within that limit....

[patrickl]

So indeed you can stay fine wherever you eat. A Dutch reporter did the Super Size Me thing. He ate only at McDonalds for a month. He stuck to a normal caloric intake (instead of consuming 5000 kcal a day like the American reporter). His health actually improved.

Got a link for the vid on that? It would be interesting to compare the two. I would think the way the American did it would be a bit more applicable, as his rules where basically 3 meals a day (Main, side, and beverage) and this would be more like what someone who for some odd reason could only eat a McD's would tend to order. I could easily see how following a reasonable caloric intake would be feasible, but I don't see how one would be able to eat 3 meals at McD's (different meals each day) and stay within that limit....

It was a dutch newspaper reporter. He also went for 3 meals a day and only from McDonalds. The difference was that he picked items from the menu so his combined total caloric intake was even lower than normal. He also didn't supersize things.

His name is Wim Meij and he wrote it for the "Algemeen Dagblad" (AD). Which is one of the biger newspapers in the Netherlands.

Actually when you check the calories for the different McDonalds menu items then it's not that difficult to stick with a certain upper limit. He had help from a dietician though (to make sure he ate varied enough too).

IIRC there was also Swedish research replicating the test in "lab conditions".

[ark_ader]

I've been to the doc already.

He wants me to keep on the diet if I am losing weight.  I have a low cholesterol level, and my blood sugar is normal.  So I guess the Quincy MDs amongst you will have to figure something else to prove my diet wrong.

Also he commended me on my resolve and sacrifice for being on such a strict regimen.  Willpower is key.

If I start to plateau this week, I'll have to adjust my cardio from walking to running and keep off the cheese.

Still sitting at 17.5 stone though.   

[HaRuMaN]

Health Concerns

No published studies have addressed the long-term effects of low-carbohydrate diets. The longest studies have followed dieters for only 12 months, which is not sufficient to assess whether dieters are at risk for the problems seen in studies of general populations consuming large amounts of meat, fatty dairy products, and the cholesterol, saturated fat, and animal protein they contain. However, long-term studies of the general population following a variety of diets and short-term studies of individuals on low-carbohydrate diets raise important concerns, which are outlined below:

1. Colon cancer. Colon cancer is one of the most common forms of cancer in North America and Europe and is among the leading causes of cancer-related mortality. Long-term daily intake of meat, particularly red meat, such as beef, pork, or lamb (as is common in Western countries), is associated with approximately a three-fold increased risk of colon cancer.14,15

The 1997 report of the World Cancer Research Fund and American Institute for Cancer Research, entitled Food, Nutrition, and the Prevention of Cancer, concluded that, based on available evidence, diets high in red meat are probable contributors to colon cancer risk. Studies of large populations published in subsequent years arrived at similar conclusions.16 In addition, meat-heavy diets are often low in dietary fiber, which protects against cancer.17 Low-carbohydrate diets typically include red meats among their foods recommended for daily consumption, but no studies have yet been conducted to see whether low-carbohydrate dieters do indeed have the same increased long-term cancer risk seen with other populations eating meat-heavy diets.

2. Heart disease. Generally speaking, weight loss tends to reduce cholesterol levels, while saturated fat and cholesterol tend to raise them.18,19 Consequently, the effect on cholesterol levels of a low-carbohydrate weight-loss diet that includes saturated fat and cholesterol can vary from person to person.5,20-23 In some studies, about 30% of people on low-carbohydrate diets showed an increase in cholesterol levels, despite their weight loss.21,23

In a low-carbohydrate diet study conducted at Duke University, funded by the Atkins Center for Complementary Medicine, LDL (“bad”) cholesterol levels fell in 29 of the 41 study completers, as would be expected from weight loss along with the various supplements used in the study. However, LDL levels rose in 12 participants by an average of 18 mg/dl (the increases ranged from 4 to 53 mg/dl). One participant had an LDL increase from 123 mg/dl to 225 mg/dl (normal LDL values are typically described as <100 mg/dl, although some investigators have called for lower limits). The participant was then treated with a “cholesterol-lowering nutritional supplement,” and the LDL dropped to 176 mg/dl, which is still far above recommended levels.21 In a subsequent Duke University study, two low-carbohydrate diet participants dropped out of the study because of elevated serum lipid levels (one had an increase in LDL cholesterol from 182 mg/dl to 219 mg/dl in four weeks; the second had an increase from 184 mg/dl to 283 mg/dl in three months), and a third developed chest pain and was subsequently diagnosed with coronary heart disease. In 30 percent of participants, LDL cholesterol increased by more than 10 percent.23 The effect of the diet on HDL (“good”) cholesterol levels is not consistent.5,6,20

We recommend caution when reading favorable press accounts of the effect of low-carbohydrate diets on cholesterol levels. The two Duke University studies cited above are sometimes cited as evidence that low-carbohydrate diets reduce LDL (“bad”) cholesterol and increase HDL (“good”) cholesterol. However, these studies did not test a low-carbohydrate diet alone. Rather they tested the diet along with regular exercise and various nutritional supplements, including flax oil, borage oil, fish oil, vitamin E, chromium picolinate, and a “multivitamin formula” containing niacin, vitamin C, and other nutrients. Exercise and supplements would be expected to influence cholesterol levels on their own, apart from the effects of the diet.21,23

One particular danger of the press promotion of low-carbohydrate diets is the suggestion that meats and dairy products that are high in saturated fat and cholesterol do not pose the risks that scientists have long said they do. However, abundant evidence shows the risks of such foods.19 In fact, some evidence suggests that even a single fatty meal (e.g., a ham-and-cheese sandwich, whole milk, and ice cream) may adversely affect the compliance of arteries, increasing the risk of heart attacks after meals.24 Low-carbohydrate diet promoters have argued that the risks of diets high in saturated fat and cholesterol may be disregarded when the diet is also very low in carbohydrate. However, no long-term studies have tested this conjecture.

Furthermore, a study of nearly 30,000 women followed for 15 years found that coronary heart disease death was associated with intakes of red meat and dairy products when substituted for servings of carbohydrates. Coronary heart disease death was significantly reduced when animal protein was replaced with vegetable protein, leading the authors to conclude that "Long-term adherence to high-protein diets, without discrimination toward protein source, may have potentially adverse health consequences."33

3. Impaired kidney function. Studies of the Atkins diet and other low-carbohydrate, high-protein diets have not been of sufficient duration to evaluate their potential to affect kidney function. However, reason for concern comes from studies of the general population, in which diets high in animal protein are associated with reduced kidney function over time. Harvard researchers reported that animal protein intake is associated with decline in kidney function, based on observations in 1,624 women participating in the Nurses’ Health Study.24 The good news is that the damage to the kidneys was found only in those who already had reduced kidney function at the study’s outset. The bad news is that as many as one in four adults in the United States may already have reduced kidney function, and the percentage is considerably higher for those over forty or who have hypertension. Mild kidney impairment is also found in approximately 40% of individuals with diabetes.25 This suggests that many people who have kidney problems are unaware of that fact and do not realize that high-protein diets may put them at risk for further deterioration. The kidney-damaging effect was seen only with animal protein. Plant protein had no harmful effect.24

The American Academy of Family Physicians notes that high animal protein intake is largely responsible for the high prevalence of kidney stones in the United States and other developed countries and recommends protein restriction for the prevention of recurrent kidney stones.26

4. Complications of diabetes. In diabetes, kidney and heart problems are particularly common. The use of diets that may further tax the kidneys and may reduce arterial compliance is not recommended.

No studies of low-carbohydrate diets have been of sufficient duration to assess their potential long-term effects on individuals with diabetes. Because controlling blood cholesterol levels and protecting kidney function are essential for individuals with diabetes, health authorities recommend choosing diets that are rich in vegetables and fruits, while limiting saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein.27

5. Osteoporosis. High intake of animal protein is known to encourage urinary calcium losses and has been shown to be associated with increased fracture risk in research studies involving various populations.28,29 Two studies have examined the effects of low-carbohydrate diets on calcium losses. A Duke University study showed that urinary calcium losses rose significantly in individuals following a low-carbohydrate, high animal-protein diet for six months.15 Similarly, the loss of calcium was demonstrated in a low-carbohydrate diet study at the University of Texas. In the maintenance phase of the diet, urinary calcium losses were 55% higher than normal. The researchers concluded that the diet presents a marked acid load to the kidney, increases the risk for kidney stones, and may increase the risk for bone loss.30 No studies of low-carbohydrate, high-protein diets have yet been of sufficient duration to measure long-term bone loss.

6. Other adverse effects. The following adverse effects were noted in a six-month study of a low-carbohydrate diet, in addition to the effects on cholesterol levels noted above:23

    Constipation 68%
    Headache 60%
    Bad breath 38%
    Muscle cramps 35%
    Diarrhea 23%
    General weakness 25%

[ark_ader]

I think you can use that in any study.  Read the top paragraph, well read the whole thing.  If I had diabetes, if I had heart issues, if if if.

I think what you posted goes with the cranks who are still fat, and wasting money on Jenny Craig eating the twinkies at midnight, instead of taking the strict challenge and keep yourself fit and healthy.

And the study only is for 12 months.  Who said I was going to stay on this diet for more than 12 months?  I'm no monk and I like my Pizza.  I might stay on it for 6 months, but will get off the merry go round and branch out on OWL.

I'm over the hump anyway.  But if I get colon cancer then it will be from natural selection, not statistics from some wacked study.  Besides I know all about Crohns and Ulcerative Colitis.  Someone close to me has it, and I've already been checked. 

 

AND THIS GOES FOR EVERYONE WHO READS THIS:

Get yourself checked for anything to do with your colon or prostate.  If you have bowel problems see you doctor immediately. Do not suffer in silence. 

If you have prostate questions click here

Colon Cancer information here

[Jdurg]

I'm a diabetic (Type I for nearly 27 years now) and by nature have to eat a pretty low carb diet.  The only reason I don't have any complications is probably because my cholesterol is abnormally good.  Back in March when I had my yearly blood work done, my LDL was 48, my HDL was 105 and my triglycerides were 40!  While genetics caused my immune system to go crazy on my Beta cells, it also gave me my father's amazing cholesterol.  (The man eats so much bacon, cold cuts, fatty foods, etc. but has impeccable cholesterol).  The doctor said that long term studies have shown that diabetics with good cholesterol numbers show an amazingly low number of complications compared to those with normal, or above normal levels.

[ChadTower]

It's all that basement water. 

[ChadTower]

Snopes says differently.  Says he was under 200lb at 6' tall when he fell and gained 60lb while in the coma.  It's down near the bottom.

[ChadTower]

Of course, but it's pretty hard to fake medical records, which is what that weight figure is based on supposedly.  You also have to consider that almost nobody has a perfect cardiovascular system at 71.  Why they would even try to claim that is beyond me.  For all we know his ticket would have otherwise been up at 62... or 92.

[ark_ader]

It doesn't really matter does it?

He helped a lot of people.   He helped me.

I'm greatful, and wished he lived longer for me to personally thank him with a letter. 

[Xiaou2]

 To be honest... I could care less of Ark passed away at an early age.   

 I just dont like when Idiots advertise unhealthy choices to others.


 Even a very short time on this diet can take years off your life... and do irrepable
damages.   The damages will be swift - because of the concentration of the levels.
 
 The doctors will love you for it... because then they can get more appointments, drugs prescribed, and surgeries performed.    Mortitians will love it too.   Ohh,   and the Govt. will be thankful too...cause they probably will run out of money for social security soon.

 
 Funny thing is how he says that this will only be a one time thing.   More than
likely,  when he gets off the diet,  he will begin to gain the weight back.   Lets
say that in 5yrs... he is back to the same weight he started out at.   Will he
do such a diet every 5 yrs?!   

 The whole point here... is that if you cant control yourself NOW... then what
makes you think you can do it after the diet is over?

 Why not work on the source of the problem:  Eating smaller portions, Stop eating
late - only hours before sleeping,  Reduce cheese intake to almost minimum,  and stay
away from fatty salad dressings, creams, real butter, and other high fat items.
Oh... and also, get off your butt and do something active... such as DDR, Martial arts,
Yoga, Tennis, Jogging, or some other physical activity that makes the heart
beat heavily.


 It may take longer to lose the weight this way.  However, the process will let you
live life a lot longer, and in much better condition.   You will gain the true key to
staying reasonably thin,  with constant practice.   No more radical diets needed.

[patrickl]

My GF has been following the Dukan Diet (also called PROTAL) from Dr. Pierre Dukan. It's a low carb, low fat high protein diet. Basically she would only eat meat, low fat dairy products and fish (no fruits, vegetables, bread, fatty foods). It does work, but that seems obvious since she hardly could eat anything.

I never followed a diet. I don't need to. I tend to not eat too much, but if on occasion I do eat too much, I simply eat less the next day. I've basically been the same weight for the last 15 to 20 years.

[shardian]

Snopes says differently.  Says he was under 200lb at 6' tall when he fell and gained 60lb while in the coma.  It's down near the bottom.

Just curious, but how do you gain 60 lbs during a coma?!? Your diet is strictly controlled to match your needs, and you normally lose weight due to muscle atrophy. Did they accidentally hook him up to a McDonalds Milk Machine or something?

[HaRuMaN]

Not only that, but he was only in a coma for like a week or so before he died...

[shardian]

Ok, I read the snopes thing. I was thinking Edema (fluid retention), and apparently that was what it was. 'normal' coma patients don't get Edema. Edema is linked to heart conditions though.

[shardian]

I doubt, highly, that 60 pounds of fluid was pumped into him in a week.

You've apparently never seen anyone with severe edema.

[ark_ader]

Sounds like a conspiracy.   I'll call Mel Gibson.

On that note I'm down half a stone. 

Back to where I was before I started the Taco Bell and M&M diet. 

I still have issues with drinking 8 pints of water a day though...glug..glug..glug..

[Jdurg]

One thing the Atkins diet can do is provide control for obese folk who never had any before.  It causes them to pay attention to what they are eating and keep track of how much they are eating.  For an obese person who has had no control over what they ate, this can be a huge help.  When they get off the diet, they'll learn how to count calories and the amounts of fat and whatnot from the techniques they learned while on the diet.

[AtomSmasher]

One thing the Atkins diet can do is provide control for obese folk who never had any before.  It causes them to pay attention to what they are eating and keep track of how much they are eating.  For an obese person who has had no control over what they ate, this can be a huge help.  When they get off the diet, they'll learn how to count calories and the amounts of fat and whatnot from the techniques they learned while on the diet.

Atkins diet only has you counting carbs, and while they recommend to keep calories and fat down, they don't have you count them.  And just for clarity, I'm not saying the Atkins diet is bad, in fact I actually like it and have done it in the past, I'm just saying it doesn't teach you to count calories.

Actually for me I had a pretty good milestone in the past 8-9 months.  Pretty much my entire life I have been slowly gaining weight anytime I wasn't on a diet and exercise routine, but back in late January I decided to make a number of small changes to what I normally eat (mainly just smaller portions, less fast food, and more whole grains) and have been slowly losing weight ever since.  I've lost about 15lbs since January, which isn't much, but just the fact that I managed to change my diet just enough so that I'm slowly losing weight instead of gaining it was pretty important to me.

Pretty soon I plan on doing a fairly major diet, either with Atkins or ultra low calories, or maybe something else, I haven't decided yet and will consult my sister before I do anything (who is a nutritionist), to try and lose the majority of the weight in a much faster timeframe.  Now that I know how to eat a healthy normal diet, I'm confident that I'll be able to keep the weight off.

[patrickl]

Why not just keep with eating healthy and lose the weight slowly? Or just eat slighly less and lose it slightly faster? Or work out a bit while eating healthy?

Diets really are bad for your body. Besides, they don't work well in keeping the weight off. Your body will be ready to gain weight after you stop the diet because you stressed it out.

[ChadTower]

Why not just keep with eating healthy and lose the weight slowly? Or just eat slighly less and lose it slightly faster? Or work out a bit while eating healthy?

Because people want quick and temporary changes to their lifestyle.  Most people fail because they go right back to their old habits once the diet is over.  They aren't willing to do what needs to be done.

[AtomSmasher]

Why not just keep with eating healthy and lose the weight slowly? Or just eat slighly less and lose it slightly faster? Or work out a bit while eating healthy?

Diets really are bad for your body. Besides, they don't work well in keeping the weight off. Your body will be ready to gain weight after you stop the diet because you stressed it out.

Lets just say I'm real overweight, and even if I managed to speed the rate of my weight loss up a little bit, it would still take at least 8 years to get down to a good weight.

[AtomSmasher]

Why not just keep with eating healthy and lose the weight slowly? Or just eat slighly less and lose it slightly faster? Or work out a bit while eating healthy?

Because people want quick and temporary changes to their lifestyle.  Most people fail because they go right back to their old habits once the diet is over.  They aren't willing to do what needs to be done.

And now my "old habits" would be a healthy diet, so going back to my old habits once the diet it over is a good thing.

[ark_ader]

Why not just keep with eating healthy and lose the weight slowly? Or just eat slighly less and lose it slightly faster? Or work out a bit while eating healthy?

Diets really are bad for your body. Besides, they don't work well in keeping the weight off. Your body will be ready to gain weight after you stop the diet because you stressed it out.

Lets just say I'm real overweight, and even if I managed to speed the rate of my weight loss up a little bit, it would still take at least 8 years to get down to a good weight.

I have seen some things you have posted but that above statement is just  crap.  Get your head out of the sand - get on Induction, exercise, stick to it, and commit yourself to the very difficult challenge.  It sucks the first 6 weeks    but you will get over it. 

You will question everything about the diet yet soon will relax when you find out its tasty and filling, eventually getting into the groove.

You will feel better about yourself, have more confidence and less self conscious of your size.  Eight years?  More like 8 months, especially if you have a thyroid or a slow metabolism.  Everyone is different though. 

It can be cheaper than your current food bill, you will have to buy some new clothes, but you HAVE TO KEEP your old ones in the closet where you pass everyday to remind yourself to keep on track.

But if you want to lose body parts, get heart disease, die earlier then you will have only yourself to blame.  Get help - get thinner.  Don't do it for me, do it for yourself. 

........

I went to my local Pharmacy (Chemist) to have my weekly weigh in. I use one of those BMI weight ratio machines which cost extra, and I'm dumb enough to pay for it.  On the ticket it says my weight should be 9 stone =126 pounds to 13.5 stone = 189.  Eh? 

If I was 126 pounds, I would be seeking medical attention.  My mates would call me bony. Where do they get that information from? I'm going to write to the company who manufacturers the machines to see where they get their facts from. 

On the bottom of the ticket it says that if I'm over the BMI 38 (duh)  I should visit their website and go on THEIR diet.  Its the largest Pharmacy (Chemist) in the UK.  Which looks like they are giving misleading advice.

I have cut back on my cheese intake, and added an extra mile to my walk, and decided to stick on Induction for another six weeks.  I'm down to a size 38-39 from a size 46 (I goofed on my OP) which I'm so    happy.

I have 46 pounds left to go or like my wonderful misleading machine would like, 100 pounds.  Everyone is right about the food portion thing.  Its not a fad.  It is for life.   

Who wants to be thinner for Christmas?

[AtomSmasher]

Why not just keep with eating healthy and lose the weight slowly? Or just eat slighly less and lose it slightly faster? Or work out a bit while eating healthy?

Diets really are bad for your body. Besides, they don't work well in keeping the weight off. Your body will be ready to gain weight after you stop the diet because you stressed it out.

Lets just say I'm real overweight, and even if I managed to speed the rate of my weight loss up a little bit, it would still take at least 8 years to get down to a good weight.

I have seen some things you have posted but that above statement is just  crap.  Get your head out of the sand - get on Induction, exercise, stick to it, and commit yourself to the very difficult challenge.  It sucks the first 6 weeks    but you will get over it.

Umm, perhaps you missed my post just before that one where I said I was going to be doing Atkins (or some other diet) fairly soon.  My comment about it taking 8 years was in response to patrickl saying to keep doing what I'm doing (and perhaps eat slightly less or add a little more exercise to my routine) instead of going on a more extreme diet.  Right now I am very slowly losing weight, and if I managed to keep this same rate going, then it would take over 8 years to get to a good weight.  That is why I will be doing Atkins (or something similar) in order to get the weight off in only a year or so.

[ark_ader]

Why not just keep with eating healthy and lose the weight slowly? Or just eat slighly less and lose it slightly faster? Or work out a bit while eating healthy?

Diets really are bad for your body. Besides, they don't work well in keeping the weight off. Your body will be ready to gain weight after you stop the diet because you stressed it out.

Lets just say I'm real overweight, and even if I managed to speed the rate of my weight loss up a little bit, it would still take at least 8 years to get down to a good weight.

I have seen some things you have posted but that above statement is just  crap.  Get your head out of the sand - get on Induction, exercise, stick to it, and commit yourself to the very difficult challenge.  It sucks the first 6 weeks    but you will get over it.

Umm, perhaps you missed my post just before that one where I said I was going to be doing Atkins (or some other diet) fairly soon.  My comment about it taking 8 years was in response to patrickl saying to keep doing what I'm doing (and perhaps eat slightly less or add a little more exercise to my routine) instead of going on a more extreme diet.  Right now I am very slowly losing weight, and if I managed to keep this same rate going, then it would take over 8 years to get to a good weight.  That is why I will be doing Atkins (or something similar) in order to get the weight off in only a year or so.

Yeah that's what made me comment like I did. 

One minute you are going to be on a good habit diet, and the next you are overweight and 8 years later won't.

Anyhoo it is still great lesson on how anyone can benefit from Atkins, especially from a true disbeliever to a convert like me. 

Its a message anyone in the same situation can relate to, especially if they have nobody to encourage them.

Besides I will be periodically checking in on you to see how your progress is going. 

[AtomSmasher]

Yeah that's what made me comment like I did. 

One minute you are going to be on a good habit diet, and the next you are overweight and 8 years later won't.

I don't seem to understand what your saying then.  I basically said not being on a real diet was too slow of a weight loss, so I was going to go on Atkins.  You then said that was  because with Atkins I would lose the weight quickly, even though that's pretty much exctly what I was saying in the first place.

One minute I am overweight, but I'm eating heathy enough to slowly lose weight (15lbs was the total I've lost since January, as I mentioned), and the next I'm still overweight and it will take 8 years to lose the weight if I continue with my current rate of weight loss.  I want to lose weight faster then 25lbs a year, so I'm going to go on an actual diet to lose it quickly.  I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand.

I've done the Atkins diet before (as I briefly mentioned earlier), but I didn't keep the weight off, so this time I wanted to make sure the habits I would revert to after finishing the diet were good enough that I would keep the weight off.

[ark_ader]

Yeah that's what made me comment like I did. 

One minute you are going to be on a good habit diet, and the next you are overweight and 8 years later won't.

I don't seem to understand what your saying then.  I basically said not being on a real diet was too slow of a weight loss, so I was going to go on Atkins.  You then said that was  because with Atkins I would lose the weight quickly, even though that's pretty much exctly what I was saying in the first place.

One minute I am overweight, but I'm eating heathy enough to slowly lose weight (15lbs was the total I've lost since January, as I mentioned), and the next I'm still overweight and it will take 8 years to lose the weight if I continue with my current rate of weight loss.  I want to lose weight faster then 25lbs a year, so I'm going to go on an actual diet to lose it quickly.  I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand.

I've done the Atkins diet before (as I briefly mentioned earlier), but I didn't keep the weight off, so this time I wanted to make sure the habits I would revert to after finishing the diet were good enough that I would keep the weight off.

Yes I know.  That bit in the thread was confusing, unless you are making your point posting, in Tarantino style. 

[ark_ader]

Tell you what, ark, if you keep the weight off for a year, I'll send you the equivalent of $20 so you can go get yourself a steak.

Would be truly surprised if you can undo a lifetime of bad decisions in a month.

 

I smoked most of my youth and adult life until 3 years ago when I quit cold turkey.  $20 Steak next year... hmmm.

I like the meat part of the diet, but my tummy doesn't like the beef all the time, so i just eat chicken and lamb.  I would eat pork, but I'm distancing myself from it.  Someone told me pork is not really good for you.  Hopefully by next summer I'll have my brick BBQ built.  Thanks! 

[shmokes]

Have any of you considered surgery?  Incredibly fast and effective, and has loads of healthy side effects.  It probably costs slightly more than Dartful's DVDs, though.

[AtomSmasher]

Have any of you considered surgery?  Incredibly fast and effective, and has loads of healthy side effects.  It probably costs slightly more than Dartful's DVDs, though.

My Aunt had a gastric bypass about 5 or 6 years ago and like the result of most quick-fix diets, she's now gained most of the weight back.

[ChadTower]

Have any of you considered surgery?  Incredibly fast and effective, and has loads of healthy side effects.  It probably costs slightly more than Dartful's DVDs, though.

Lack of long term studies as to how that affects someone over the course of 30-40 years... no thanks.  Only in cases were the person clearly isn't going to make another 30 years otherwise.  It would probably be healthier in the long run to get dyssentary.

[HaRuMaN]

It would probably be healthier in the long run to get dyssentary.

Or a tapeworm...

[ark_ader]

   Another Stone and on the same ongoing diet.