>>>>> Donkey Kong II released <<<<<<<

[bigh4th]

AGAIN you are mis-informed (to put it politely). Discussing x-in-1 boards IS ok here as long as you do not link or reference to sellers.

There is a link to the said illegal multi-boards on the first post of this topic, posted by you, no less.

So I guess its ok if you do it, because its all in the club, right?

-Harry

[Level42]

I'm just another member here, but -regretfully- yet another time, you are WRONG about being the Multi board from Arcadeshop being illegal. The board is sold EMPTY. You need to own the PCB of the game(s) (or at least the ROM-set) that you are going to put on it.

It's like selling a DVD player, you can put legal DVD's in them, but also copied one's.


But I guess nothing in the world is ever going to change your mind, which is fine because you are entitled to your opinion.

[saint]

AGAIN you are mis-informed (to put it politely). Discussing x-in-1 boards IS ok here as long as you do not link or reference to sellers.

There is a link to the said illegal multi-boards on the first post of this topic, posted by you, no less.

So I guess its ok if you do it, because its all in the club, right?

-Harry

It is my understanding that that is a different multi-board than the 48-in-1's that include illegal ROMs. My understanding is that you have to own the ROMs and dump them into the board yourself to use it. It is not sold with ROMs. If my understanding is incorrect someone please inform me.

--- saint (isn't into double standards and doesn't appreciate the implication)

[bigh4th]

I do owe an apology here.  The multi-board doesn't ship with games on it.

However, the new version of the menu-system it has to use does indeed come with D2K, which is unlockable by paying a $25 fee for a keycode.

My understanding is D2K must be run with the orignial chips on a DK machine to work correctly.  If all you have to do is punch in an activation key on the menu system, would that not mean that the menu has either a hacked version of DK, or DK and D2k?

The site does not mention you having to have a copy of DK on the board to run DK2.

As far as the "double-standards" comment goes, that was not directed twords saint.

-Harry

[CheffoJeffo]

The double-standard at this forum is astounding.

That's funny, I thought that it was your double-standard that was astounding --  "It's OK for Harry to break the law, because he's just a leech from bumblefart VA, but that guy who actually created something for the community, he should be drawn and quartered".

  

[Level42]

Saint,

As the initiator of this thread, may I ask you to consider closing it ?

I intended to release the news of an exciting and fun product for all in this hobby, but it has turned into a pointless debate about legality that is going in circles.

Everything has been said.

[polaris]

you can lock it lev

[FrizzleFried]

The double-standard at this forum is astounding.

Since we are all criminals,  and once you add on the fact that just about everyone here thinks you're a <--manual-censored--> ...

DON'T GO AWAY MAD...JUST GO AWAY!

[shardian]

you can lock it lev

That ability was taken away a while back thanks to Mr. Koolmoecraig, I believe.

[polaris]

you can lock it lev

That ability was taken away a while back thanks to Mr. Koolmoecraig, I believe.

i just tried it on an old thread and i think it worked, i could lock it and unlock it, theres also a buton there to remove topic, didnt think that was possible.

[Level42]

I can't.

[Jdurg]

Mmmmm, what do you think ? Did Nintendo make lots of money on DK (the arcade game) ? One of the biggest arcade hits ever ? A game released over 26 years ago. Do you really think a judge is going to decide something else in this case ? The Game Genie probably sold a couple of million, or at least somewhere in the 100,000's. We're talking about, what 100,300 DK2's ?

I think a competent judge would realize that the law is the law and making a crap-load of money on something does not make the laws protecting it dissapear.  The judge in the galoob-vs-nintendo case was not competent.



-Harry

I would like to see the transcript from the Nintendo Vs. Galoob case.  You seem to be spouting off a lot of stuff like it's fact, but so far haven't given any proof.  Granted, you may indeed be correct, but I would like to see the court transcript to ensure that you are correct.

[ChadTower]

An incompetent ruling would be easily won on appeal.  There are balances in place for that.

[FrizzleFried]

People that have actually played Donkey Kong 2 - how is it?

Fun!  But hard!  Very hard!  I am at about 25,000 with about 30-35 games in to it.

[FrizzleFried]

I would like to see the transcript from the Nintendo Vs. Galoob case.  You seem to be spouting off a lot of stuff like it's fact, but so far haven't given any proof.  Granted, you may indeed be correct, but I would like to see the court transcript to ensure that you are correct.

Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc. (Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, 1992) was a court case which established the rights of users to modify copyrighted works for their own use.

Galoob manufactured an add-on product called Game Genie, which allowed users to modify video games by entering in certain codes; for example, a code might make the player invincible by negating the programming that updates the player's health amount. Nintendo, which sold a video game system and video games that could be modified by Game Genie, sued Galoob for copyright infringement, arguing that Game Genie made a derivative work, violating Nintendo's copyright in their video game.

The Court denied Nintendo's motion for a preliminary injunction, holding that Game Genie did not create a derivative work and also suggesting that even if it did, it might well be fair use. As the district court wrote, "Having paid Nintendo a fair return, the consumer may experiment with the product and create new variations of play, for personal enjoyment, without creating a derivative work."

See also Foresight v. Pfortmiller, 719 F. Supp 1006 (D. Kan. 1989). An earlier appellate case on similar facts came out the other way, favoring the monopolist in Midway Manufacturing Co. v. Artic International, Inc..

[polaris]

I can't.

have you been naughty

down the bottom of the page on my threads it says lock/unlock, and remove thread

[Hoopz]

The judge clearly said that nintendo had already made plenty of money on the NES, so she was gonna let the Game genie slide.  By law, the game genie is illegal, but the judge basicly didn't give a rip.

Frizzle's comment makes much more sense than your "analysis"

The Court denied Nintendo's motion for a preliminary injunction, holding that Game Genie did not create a derivative work and also suggesting that even if it did, it might well be fair use. As the district court wrote, "]Having paid Nintendo a fair return, the consumer may experiment with the product and create new variations of play, for personal enjoyment, without creating a derivative work."

bigh4th - Unless you have some years of law school under your belt, I would say your take on the case isn't worth much compared to the original judge and any appellate court that it went to, if any.

[pcb]

I see that this hack requires swapping out some roms on a Braze Kit. Now, if you go and buy a Braze wanting this hack included on it, I wonder if you can save money by buying both at once?

Yes, it is a new pal and eprom for the Braze DK High score kit.  No, you won't save any money, the Kit is $45, the roms are $40.  $85 to get that game on a DK board.

[ArtsNFartsNCrafts]

This may have already been asked.  Forgive me.  I didn't feel like sifting through the "legal vs. illegal" "bootleg vs. romhack" debates to look for this question:


If you install this on your DK board, can you still switch between playing D2K and regular DK?  Or does it make it dedicated D2K as long as the chip is attached?

Thanks!

[Lutus]

You can switch in freeplay mode.

Press both 1 player and 2 player start button at the same time.

A graphic will come up basically saying... "want to switch?  hit the jump button"

Bingo.  There you go.

I can't get mine to switch while it is in "coin" mode though.

[newkillergenius]

Post nuked by saint. Morality decisions are your own, but the legality of the request is iffy at best. Not here please. ---saint

[Level42]

[Edit] Don't post with more than 3 beers behind you.

Let me say it this way:

I'm sad that some people are not willing to pay a little money to get a certain product that has been worked on hard and long by people who are trying to give our community a great product like DK2.

If people who initiate and create this products don't get a reasonable return for their work, these kind of projects will die.

Your goal is clear, you want to copy DK2 so you can play it on either a real board or on MAME without paying anything to the creator. I feel that's NOT "pretty much OK".

[CheffoJeffo]

Now I understand what you were reacting to, but this loses the simple elegance of the original response!

 

[Level42]

Now I understand what you were reacting to, but this loses the simple elegance of the original response!

 

Wahahahaha Simple yes, "elegant" no.

[FrizzleFried]

---steaming pile of meadow muffin---!  Missed the good stuff again. 

That said...my $.02.

Anyone one who runs DKII on Misfit MAME without first coughing up the small bit of dough Jeff is asking for is a lowlife scumbag of the highest order,  period.  Anyone who pulls that kind of crap doesn't give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- ONE for this community or the arcade community.  So,  to anyone who feels they should get DKII without contributing the tiny bit of dough Jeff is asking for...I say...

[Ummon]

Hahahahahah. At least this way we can test-run it. It hasn't really struck my fancy, so I'd guess I'm in the clear.

[CheffoJeffo]

Hahahahahah. At least this way we can test-run it. It hasn't really struck my fancy, so I'd guess I'm in the clear.

Yeah, that's funny ...  'coz MAMErs are well known for buying after trying ! 

The point is that there are folks who try to create things for the hobby and, in this case I am talking about the broader definition beyond just MAME, and they spend tons of time and effort. Then folks come along and piss in their faces ,including, in this case, a MAMEDev who gets horribly bent-out-of shape with the way his own work has been misappropriated, but has no qualms about enabling the misappropriation of somebody else's work.

There are people who do things that are good for the hobby and people who do things that are bad. Pissing in the face of folks like Jeff is a bad thing and don't exactly encourage people to do good things.

I'm with Frizz and Level (particularly his pre-edit thoughts) on this.

[Level42]

Let's say that the tone of Frizz's post is pretty similar to my original one. Sorry you missed it Frizz. Anyway, the message stays the same.

[Ummon]

I think all sorts of people, in various camps, are too serious about all this.

[CheffoJeffo]

Let's remember that you were the guy complaining about objectivity in the MAMEY judging ... which makes you the resident expert on taking things too seriously ...

[FrizzleFried]

I think all sorts of people, in various camps, are too serious about all this.

I guess screwing over a guy friendly to the arcade community just isn't my "thing"... if that means I am too "serious" about the issue,  so be it.

I can't blame you for trying DKII... what with it being included in MisfitMAME and all... however if you DID like it you'd buy the ROM,  right?   

Hows this for Irony... I bought and paid for the ROM for the AS multigame board...but I don't have full access to it... nope... I can only download to the board once per update of the installation software...

[Ummon]

Let's remember that you were the guy complaining about objectivity in the MAMEY judging ... which makes you the resident expert on taking things too seriously ...

Not complaining, merely chiming in. I didn't start the thread.

I think all sorts of people, in various camps, are too serious about all this.

I guess screwing over a guy friendly to the arcade community just isn't my "thing"... if that means I am too "serious" about the issue,  so be it.

I can't blame you for trying DKII... what with it being included in MisfitMAME and all... however if you DID like it you'd buy the ROM,  right?  

Hows this for Irony... I bought and paid for the ROM for the AS multigame board...but I don't have full access to it... nope... I can only download to the board once per update of the installation software...

I'm somewhat in the middle. I'm mildly pro access to anything provided online, but am not going to complain about lack of it. Your particular situation is a different kind.

[slasherman]

People that have actually played Donkey Kong 2 - how is it?

Fun!  But hard!  Very hard!  I am at about 25,000 with about 30-35 games in to it.

It's hard but not harder than Donkey Kong..DK2 is the game I play most these days..I never had the training from Donkey Kong so I'm a newbie...

[Ummon]

People that have actually played Donkey Kong 2 - how is it?

Fun!  But hard!  Very hard!  I am at about 25,000 with about 30-35 games in to it.

It's hard but not harder than Donkey Kong..DK2 is the game I play most these days..I never had the training from Donkey Kong so I'm a newbie...

It's clunky compared to DK, though. And then the new pie factory or whatever is like a puzzle. I have no idea how to make the pully elevator be up so that I can jump across. This game would've totally died in the golden age.

[slasherman]

I have no idea how to make the pully elevator be up so that I can jump across. This game would've totally died in the golden age.

Take the last hart...

[Ummon]

I have no idea how to make the pully elevator be up so that I can jump across. This game would've totally died in the golden age.

Take the last hart...

Maybe I missed it. Incidentally, I'm not saying this game sucks. It's cute, and interesting the choices and such the maker made. But it doesn't flow like, and doesn't have the elegance of, the original.

[RayB]

I have no idea how to make the pully elevator be up so that I can jump across. This game would've totally died in the golden age.

Take the last hart...

Which one?

[Level42]

Jeeeez, now there's a 80's memory I had forgotten all about ! 

[slasherman]

I have no idea how to make the pully elevator be up so that I can jump across. This game would've totally died in the golden age.

Take the last hart...

Which one?

I dont know what level your talking about ...but take all the harts..

[Ummon]

They were a dashing couple. I liked that show as a kid. Still love that hair of hers. She got no meat on 'er bones, though.