I'm amazed at how many people have the wrong idea...

[Goz]

You know what you can do with your stats. I'm living it 24/7 and see it all to be lies and false truths.

See ya.

Yes you are currently living it 24/7 until the dog decides otherwise.

[shmokes]

There is a difference between a wild animal held captive in a human environment to a domesticated dog.

Would the difference between a wild animal and a domesticated dog be that wild animals often attack unpredictably?   

[ChadTower]

Actually, wild animals are far easier to predict, since they're not brainwashed to fit into some other species' society.  Domestication is the reason some of these dogs are effed up... they don't belong domesticated.

[shardian]

There is a difference between a wild animal held captive in a human environment to a domesticated dog.

Would the difference between a wild animal and a domesticated dog be that wild animals often attack unpredictably?   

Actually, Wild animals only attacked if they are threatened or provoked. Most of the time they avoid humans at all costs. Its only the domesticated animals that attack without provokation out in the neighborhood.

[shardian]

And on that subject, it is also well known that pit bulls are NOT the most vicious breed of dog. That title belongs to the wolf hybrid. idiots thought it would be cool to bred dogs with wolves for "bad ass pets". Wolves have a strongly bred instinct to avoid humans at all cost. When they are cross bred with dogs, their instints are put a direct conflict. Combine that mental instability with their size and power, and you have one ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up combination.

[rovingmind]

the Wolf/Hybrid can be an OK pet if you have the right conditions, mainly live in the outdoors miles from anywhere prefereably up north somewhere.  Definitely not a city dog in any way shape or form.  They still have the Pack mentality and will protect children like they were their own.  Even up to defending them from you to theirs or your death.  You have to be seriously Alpha Male with them.

[shardian]

A few summers ago, I was a manager of a convenience store my father in law owned. Out back, we had a "watchdog" to protect the back door. He was a German Shepherd, but must of had something else in him. The reason I say that is because he was Jet black, and ---smurfing--- HUGE! I am about 6 feet tall, and he could drape his front legs around my shoulders. I am now thinking he might have been a wolf hybrid. The funny thing though is that he was the friendliest dog I've ever had ( I claimed him and took care of him). When I first met him, I was very leery of him. His bark was pretty intimidating, and of course his size was too.After getting to know him I was sitting out there with him, brushing out his coat and playing fetch.

Still, one time he busted his industrial size chain. He was just loping around dragging about 50 lbs of chain without a care in the world. While I was holding him so my father in law could repair his chain, he did something that spooked me pretty good. After struggling against his collar for a few minutes, he turned and looked me straight in the eye, then jerked right out of his collar and took off. Right then, I saw in his eyes that I didn't mean ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, and he was gonna do whatever he wanted. I didn't realize it at first, but now I realize that if he eventually decided he didn't want me messing with him, all that I had done for him up till then wouldn't mean diddly squat.

I left at the end of the summer, and he bit a woman a few months later after he had gotten loose again.

[patrickl]

And on that subject, it is also well known that pit bulls are NOT the most vicious breed of dog. That title belongs to the wolf hybrid.

With wolf hybrids people at least have the common sense to keep them away from children. They hardly ever attack (and injure) adults.

At least they should know the danger that Wolf hybrids present to children. But then it could very well be the same silly type of people as the ones who claim that pitbulls are perfectly safe since their dog hasn't maimed anyone yet 

[rovingmind]

I would trust a wolf hybrid with My child, but not Others, because of the pack instinct.  Raised properly anyone living in the house is reasonably safe, but anybody stopping by is an intruder no matter what their age is.  Two kids playing rough, one yours and one not, the one thats not is in physical danger.  Plus they loose any fear of Man.  Definitely not for the average dog owner.  Not for city living, not for urban rural.  If i lived out in the country with the nearest neighbor miles away, maybe although i would most likely stick with german sheppards.

[tommy]

so youve trained your dog to obey all commands from you even if your in a position of non dominance, ie: kneeling, or sitting flat on the floor so that your at or below his eye level?

There is no difference in how i am positioned near the dog, i am still me and i am the boss regardless. A word from me or a hand gesture will be taken the same if I'm laying down or otherwise.

I'm not into the whole video taping stuff and putting it online, sorry.

[tommy]

 But then it could very well be the same silly type of people as the ones who claim that pitbulls are perfectly safe since their dog hasn't maimed anyone yet 

You could be seen as silly because you still walk across the street knowing how many others have been killed doing that. You could also be seen as silly for eating meat or fish as how many people get sick and ill over this sometimes.

Just because there is a possibility of something going wrong does not mean that it always will and that it is not worth doing. What you said was just silly, so don't do that again. 

[patrickl]

Just because there is a possibility of something going wrong does not mean that it always will and that it is not worth doing. What you said was just silly, so don't do that again. 

Actually that's MY point. There is no reason for owning a pit bull (or rottweiler or wolf hybrid) over any other type of dog, so why put people at risk for something so useless?

There is a reason for crossing the street, there is a reason for driving a car. Indeed we take risks, but we choose to run these risks because the rewards are great enough. Someone owning an ass ugly freak dog is not really something I feel the need to risk life and limb for. In fact with regards to traffic there are laws to try to reduce the risks by removing dangerous behavior. It makes sense that for something as useless as owning a specific breed of dog the laws would be even stricter.

[tommy]

You're giving these dogs way too little credit (or any dog), they are not mindless beasts running around biting things and acting crazy. They eat, they sleep, they ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, they play, they follow directions just like you and me.

Dogs seek attention and love from an owner and they are not out to hurt you for fun as you seem to think.

[rovingmind]

Dogs seek attention and love from an owner and they are not out to hurt you for fun as you seem to think.

Exept those bred to do so... such as pitbulls

[tommy]

Dogs seek attention and love from an owner and they are not out to hurt you for fun as you seem to think.

Exept those bred to do so... such as pitbulls

There is no general statement such as you made like "pit bulls bred to do so" Any dog can be bred to do that. My pit was not bred to do that as was many other pit bulls, so the blanket statement that all pits are bad is not valid.

[CCM]

Dogs seek attention and love from an owner and they are not out to hurt you for fun as you seem to think.

Exept those bred to do so... such as pitbulls

There is no general statement such as you made like "pit bulls bred to do so" Any dog can be bred to do that. My pit was not bred to do that as was many other pit bulls, so the blanket statement that all pits are bad is not valid.

There is such a general statement such as that for pits... and most dogs.  Pits have been bred for years to be aggressive fighters.  Just like other types of dogs have been bred to be bird dogs, herders, etc...

[rovingmind]

There is no general statement such as you made like "pit bulls bred to do so" Any dog can be bred to do that. My pit was not bred to do that as was many other pit bulls, so the blanket statement that all pits are bad is not valid.

except when your talking about pit bulls

[tommy]

How can i take you seriously when you don't even know when to use "your" or "you're". 

[rovingmind]

How can i take you seriously when you don't even know when to use "your" or "you're". 

    you can spell and correct grammar 

Can your dog?  <---- look, correct usage     

[tommy]

Now all you gotta do is correct your blanket statements about pits and you will be good to go. 

[rovingmind]

There is no general statement such as you made like "pit bulls bred to do so" Any dog can be bred to do that. My pit was not bred to do that as was many other pit bulls, so the blanket statement that all pits are bad is not valid.

You missquoted me anyhow, i didnt make a statement that they were bad.  However you can't come up with any sound argument that pitbulls IN GENERAL are NOT bred to attack, rend, and kill.  My statement bounced from a comment that they were bred to cause Injury hence dangerous, not that the breed in general was bad.  

Bad and Dangerous are two completely separate things where dogs are concerned.

The problem with a pit bull as with any dog is that when they attack unprovoked they classify as a Bad Dog.  Pit bulls are more prone to do so than other breeds because of the traits bred into them.

Yes any breed of dog is capable of doing so.  Yes, your dog may be less inclined to do so than your neighbors, but it is still a possibility because of the breed.

[rovingmind]

Now all you gotta do is correct your blanket statements about pits and you will be good to go. 

Pit bulls are potentially dangerous and easily capable of killing full grown humans, let alone children, without provocation but they are not bad dogs until they actually do so.

There how is that.

(edited hows to how is, in case you take offence at my grammar again) 

[tommy]

Pit bulls are potentially dangerous

So is just about everything and everyone we come in contact with in our lives.

If you're so worried about danger then don't leave your house, don't eat meat, don't love another person for fear of being hurt in one way or another. Everything has the potential of hurting us in life but that does not mean it will.

What's so hard about that to understand? Go on the rest of your life being afraid of things then and don't see the good in anything.

[patrickl]

Why do WE need to run a risk for YOUR dog fetish?

[AtomSmasher]

Pit bulls are potentially dangerous

So is just about everything and everyone we come in contact with in our lives.

If you're so worried about danger then don't leave your house, don't eat meat, don't love another person for fear of being hurt in one way or another. Everything has the potential of hurting us in life but that does not mean it will.

What's so hard about that to understand? Go on the rest of your life being afraid of things then and don't see the good in anything.

Owning a pit is like playing Russian roulette, it's possible you'll make it out without any problems, but the odds are too bad and the stakes are too high, so I won't be playing it any time soon.

[CheffoJeffo]

They eat, they sleep, they ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, they play, they follow directions just like you and me.

Q.E.D.

[Justin Z]

Pit bulls are potentially dangerous

So is just about everything and everyone we come in contact with in our lives.

It's not a black and white issue.  Why is that so difficult to grasp?  It's a matter of risk management.  You feel safe owning a pit bull, and feel you have put in the requisite time and effort to control its behavior?  Congratulations.  I don't -- I have neither the time nor the inclination to properly train one.

The problem is that by virtue of the two statements above, you and I are smarter than 80-90% of pit owners, by a wide margin.  In fact, most are ---smurfing--- idiots.

Like Chad said earlier, there needs to be a way to ban dumbass owners.  The dogs are what they are.

[shmokes]

A few summers ago, I was a manager of a convenience store my father in law owned. Out back, we had a "watchdog" to protect the back door. He was a German Shepherd, but must of had something else in him. The reason I say that is because he was Jet black, and ---smurfing--- HUGE! I am about 6 feet tall, and he could drape his front legs around my shoulders. I am now thinking he might have been a wolf hybrid. The funny thing though is that he was the friendliest dog I've ever had ( I claimed him and took care of him). When I first met him, I was very leery of him. His bark was pretty intimidating, and of course his size was too.After getting to know him I was sitting out there with him, brushing out his coat and playing fetch.

Still, one time he busted his industrial size chain. He was just loping around dragging about 50 lbs of chain without a care in the world. While I was holding him so my father in law could repair his chain, he did something that spooked me pretty good. After struggling against his collar for a few minutes, he turned and looked me straight in the eye, then jerked right out of his collar and took off. Right then, I saw in his eyes that I didn't mean ---Cleveland steamer---, and he was gonna do whatever he wanted. I didn't realize it at first, but now I realize that if he eventually decided he didn't want me messing with him, all that I had done for him up till then wouldn't mean diddly squat.

I left at the end of the summer, and he bit a woman a few months later after he had gotten loose again.

This reads like a ghost story for some reason.   

[ChadTower]

Like Chad said earlier, there needs to be a way to ban dumbass owners.  The dogs are what they are.

I'm also still waiting for a practical solution to that.  All I can come up with is ban ning ownership of the dogs - thus banning bad owners.

[jbox]

Like Chad said earlier, there needs to be a way to ban dumbass owners.  The dogs are what they are.

I'm also still waiting for a practical solution to that.  All I can come up with is banning ownership of the dogs - thus banning bad owners.

Or you make them take an animal course from the same people who train the police dogs every six-ten years. People like tommy who can't bear to live without their snuggly wuggle snuggle-pooch can go and get the training and then be licensed to own a dog of that breed, while most of the moron owners either wont bother or wont pass. Same thing lots of states/countries do with cars, trucks, guns, heavy machinery, or anything else 'extra dangerous' than a cheese knife. 

[shardian]

One County in my state just passed a "vicious dog ordinance". Anyone who wants to own a Pit, German Shepherd, Rottweiler,etc must apply for a special license and pay a $300 registration fee.

The basic purpose is to keep dumb rednecks from tying down a whole pack of them in their yard. If they don't pay the fee, they can get slapped with fines and get the dogs taken away.

[SirPeale]

And Tommy, there is a dog breed he feels is worse than your beloved pitts - wolf hybrids.

No kidding.  My dad has had two of them.  Quietest, shy gentle dogs I've ever seen.  But then I've only known two, perhaps others aren't as nice?

[SirPeale]

Read this whole thing, and even better then reading it, understand it.

http://www.pitbulllovers.com/pitbullblog/?p=59

I couldn't get past the first paragraph.

If I sat down and counted how many times someone has used bite statistics to show the American Pit Bull Terrier, pit bull type dogs, and other breeds are dangerous I would be living in Anguilla in a beautiful beach house right now.

I think he meant to say "if I had a dollar for how many times...blah blah blah" .

[rovingmind]

So is just about everything and everyone we come in contact with in our lives.

If you're so worried about danger then don't leave your house, don't eat meat, don't love another person for fear of being hurt in one way or another. Everything has the potential of hurting us in life but that does not mean it will.

What's so hard about that to understand? Go on the rest of your life being afraid of things then and don't see the good in anything.

You already tried that argument, it doesn't fly.  Its a level of Danger.  Eating meat is going to slowly clog my arteries over time.  Its not going to chew my face off.

Come up with a new argument.

Bad Dog!!! No Baby!!!!!!

[shardian]

Since Tommy just can't leave well enough alone, I figured I would resurrect this thread so he could be berated some more.

New people, feel free to join in and throw random insults his way.

[polaris]

go on shardian i cant think of one, ive been playing with the idea of a mortal combat machine mauling a pit bull but i just cant pull the story together with a good punchline

[CheffoJeffo]

Why is everybody looking at me ?

 

[tommy]

Why is everybody looking at me ? Pit bulls are great dogs and anyone who stereotypes things in life is a fool.

 

I fixed that quote for you. 

[CheffoJeffo]

You are such a complete failure at all things quote-fu -- kinda like Chris Farley in Beverly Hills Ninja ...

 

[tommy]

It was not meant to be a shot at you if that's what you think. It was what you would have said to shardian if you let out your true feelings.