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And this is why I hate Ebay
genesim:
Umm try going with a valid comparison "I don't like herpes(shilling) or you(sniping) because they are both hurting mankind(ebay)".
So the deduction is that they are both equal in nature to doing harm enough to mankind that would warrant a comparison.
For your information Equate : to treat, represent, or regard as equal , equivalent, or COMPARABLE.
Translation. Equal does not mean equate. It means that a comparison is drawn that SUGGESTS they are equal(but it doesn't have to be true, which is in your case).
Your statement was idiotic and proved nothing. So nice try but wrong again.
Call me a troll all you want, but my reasoning was sound.
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: genesim on September 05, 2007, 08:21:13 pm ---
--- Quote ---I have no problem admitting I was wrong (as you can see in my previous post) but people using the sniping software and shill bidding and sheild bidding....
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The fact that you STILL equate sniping and shill bidding show that you haven't learned a thing.
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--- Quote from: genesim on September 05, 2007, 11:17:30 pm ---Your disdain for all Sniping, Shilling, Shielding was put in the same sentence.
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Far be it from me to be the voice of reason, but, based on your posts, Malenko's analogy wasn't far off the mark ... and it at least contained a semblance of wit.
;)
FrizzleFried:
Who let the kids out of school early today?
:dunno
genesim:
Jeffo, gee isn't that surprising. ::)
u_rebelscum:
--- Quote from: genesim on September 05, 2007, 08:21:13 pm ---
--- Quote ---I have no problem admitting I was wrong (as you can see in my previous post) but people using the sniping software and shill bidding and sheild bidding....
--- End quote ---
The fact that you STILL equate sniping and shill bidding show that you haven't learned a thing....
If you equate sniping with shill bidding and you think that is what is hurting ebay....what is right?
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IMO, shilling and sniping are very closely related: if no one shill bid, snipping wouldn't be needed as much. Of course there are other reasons sniping works, including other snipers who are late, less time for another bidder to decide to throw good money after bad, traditional style bidders and newbies who bid minimum raise over current, and the false illusion that losing at a snipe "wastes" less time than losing at an bid placed earlier.
I've bid early, I've sniped, I've won and lost both ways. And I've stopped. I don't ebay anymore because of sniping, and most snipers sound like know-it-all-jerks and I don't want to be associated with that type of people (whether or not they're "right").
Possible changes that might bring me back include:
a) If a bid is made in last two minutes, extend auction two minutes past last bid (much like a traditional auction "going once, going twice, ah bid by person there, do I hear another, no, going once, going twice," etc). eBay said it doesn't want to do this before, and I doubt it will change in the future.
b) Go silent bid style; keep the hard cut off time, but don't post the bid amounts. Most people don't like this type, even if it's basically the same as if everyone sniped at the last second.
c) ebay greatly increases enforcement against shillers and shielders. Something on the order of ebay killing all those types after second offense. And I do mean never to be seen in any way or form in ebay ever again. Since both are hard to do and are bad for ebay's fees today, I don't see this happening.
d) Add/change other rules that help curb shilling/shielding. Like if you withdraw a bid you can't bid again on that item, or increasing the minimum bid raise differently for different people depending on how many previous bids on same item (more = higher) and/or how many other people bid between your last bid and this bid (the more the lower). These two alone are not enough for me though, so :dunno
IMO, ebay was cool when it started, but now it's not the deal it was before, with bidders bidding more than the retail of common products, shilling happening left and right, snipers yelling they rule the world, and ebay letting it all happen without a hoot.
Sorry, I'll get off my :soapbox:
Ignore me, and have fun kids.
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