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u_rebelscum:

--- Quote from: genesim on September 06, 2007, 08:45:56 pm ---
--- Quote ---a) If a bid is made in last two minutes, extend auction two minutes past last bid (much like a traditional auction "going once, going twice, ah bid by person there, do I hear another, no,  going once, going twice," etc).  eBay said it doesn't want to do this before, and I doubt it will change in the future.
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Are you kidding me?   An auction would never frickin' end.

You have a set time...down to the very last second.   Sniping and shilling are not even close to each other.

Enforce penalties to the criminals.   Not the people that play by the rules...using software, their own hand...whatever.
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Even been to a live auction?  They end, and there's no set time.  Why wouldn't ebay be different?  ("Going once, sorry your bid's too low, going twice, sorry your bid's still too low, gone." and only resetting the time when the bid changes to another person.)

I agree with the last paragraph.  However, I don't see extending the time as "penalizing buyers".  Plus sniping would not work as well as it does (aka not always save as much money every time) if there was no shilling and shielding.  If sellers couldn't go "hey, this got a sucker bite, I'll up it some," you would not always save as much money with sniping.  If shilling happens only 5% of the time, that 5% won't have saved as much.  I'm NOT saying sniping causes shilling.  I'm saying the opposite:

Shilling and shielding promote sniping, because sniping is a way around them.


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--- Quote ---b) Go silent bid style; keep the hard cut off time, but don't post the bid amounts.  Most people don't like this type, even if it's basically the same as if everyone sniped at the last second.
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That completely makes no sense.   Who the hell would use the service if they don't even know what to pay!
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Silent auctions (a fairly common method of auctioning): people bid (usually a folded paper or envelope) and no one knows how much others bid until the bids are opened at a set time.  This is how the government projects bids that go to the lowest bidder are run.

If everyone sniped at the last second, no one would know what the other bids were going to be until it was too last to rebid.  (Isn't that the whole reason for sniping?)  All bids would be revealed at the same time (aka T minus one second), and the bid would go the highest bidder.  What's the difference?

The only difference between silent auctions and everyone-snipe-ebay-at-the-last-second, only difference, is that in ebay the winner pays second place + minimum raise (or max bid whichever is lower) and silent auction winner pays the max he bid (usually).

Whether you like silent auctions, as a sniper you are a "silent bidder".  The only difference between a normal silent auction is in ebay the minimum bid is raising to whatever the "early bidders" bid it up to.  Then you and other snipers go and throw in your "silent" bids.


--- Quote ---I agree with the last two though.    But this idea that sniping is bad for ebay is just plain crazy.    Each to their own though.
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I'm not saying sniping is bad for ebay.  I am saying I don't ebay anymore, and sniping is one of the many reasons.  Others include shilling, shielding, ripoff sellers, rip-off buyers, and no accountability by ebay.

hypernova:
As a seller, I give out feedback after I receive it! ;D

That should rile some people! >:D

genesim:
So again, Rebelscum what about if you as a seller actually need money right away????

Also, the blind bidding while not exactly unfair, would still cause less people to want to bid.    Again, it is about convenience of the public and generating interest.

As for sniping go around shilling...this is a good thing, not bad.

Bidding in the last second is perfectly legal, and should be encouraged, not discouraged.    Then your "blind bidding" would be unnecessary.

I think there is far more good then bad with Ebay, and one of the thousand reasons the internet is a cool thing for the world.

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