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FrizzleFried:
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...friggin' cold.   Bottom line is that some people don't want to be BOTHERED with modern games as they are CASSUAL GAMERS who want to get in play and go.  MOST modern games don't subscribe to that formula.  There ARE exceptions of course.

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Sir Auros on August 15, 2007, 08:42:59 pm --- I guess if you can call me arrogant, I can say that I'm going over it again because I think you must be a little slow.  ;D

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Not really ... slow is starting a simple cab conversion project in 2004 and still not being done in 2007 ... oh wait ... maybe I am slow ...

 ;D

PsychoAU:
To say you prefer not to play complicated controls is one thing.  Saying that people can't learn how to play complicated controls is another.  Auros is saying that people can learn the controls.  So I agree that saying that games are too complicated to learn is wrong (even if it is an opinion).

The video was saying that a simple game that gave you 10 minutes of fun for 25 cents was great, but not worth $50 for the same 10 minutes over and over on a console version.  So developers had to give games more depth to justify asking for $50.  Most console ports of arcades were only worth renting, playing a few times, and taking it back. 

It's exactly why I think the Wii craze will die very quickly.  There are only so many times you can play bowling or tennis before you get bored and wonder why you spent $250 for that.  If simple games still made money, then some simple sports games would be all you need.  Instead, all the Wii people are complaining about having to wait for Nintendo to release the new versions of Metroid, Zelda, Mario, etc. 

Simple games just don't command the price that consoles are asking for. 

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: PsychoAU on August 15, 2007, 10:00:31 pm --- So I agree that saying that games are too complicated to learn is wrong (even if it is an opinion).

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But, who said that ?

EDIT: FWIW, I used to play a lot of Falcon 4.0. If ever there was a game that was too complicated to learn, F4.0 was it. Obviously I don't think that games are too complicated to learn -- and get off of my lawn!

Sir Auros:

--- Quote from: jcoleman on August 15, 2007, 09:23:35 pm ---[

--- Quote ---I can say that I'm going over it again because I think you must be a little slow. 
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You see, that's the problem here.  It's not a "perceived slight," it's you being a jerk.


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Oh look, it's another person overlooking someone else's insult to flame me for responding in kind.  He called me arrogant, I called him slow, and neither one is really what I'd consider an insult, but they're not overly nice, either. As I said, I had already said what I was repeating for him. ::)


--- Quote ---Wii Play is a counter-example of new generation games actually embracing some of these concepts from the old arcade-style games... where you can enjoy a 30 minutes game and don't need a PHD int he room to figure out how to work the controls.
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Even with the sarcasm, he's implying that modern controls are overly difficult when they really shouldn't be if you're familiar with the joystick/button input configuration.


--- Quote ---my pesonal pov is that Product Design, input and interaction design have not been focusing on targeting HUMANS. they targetted hardcore gamers instead. hence the exponential number of buttons on home consoles over the years.
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That says to me that he thinks that the current generation of consoles (and previous generations excluding the Wii) are targeted at hardcore gamers and not "humans." Why are you speaking for him when he refuses to speak for himself? Part of the reason I said he sounded ridiculous in the first place was because he wouldn't back up his "opinion." If he had clarified that [he doesn't care for those controls and that he didn't mean that people can't enjoy them], then I would have left it at that.

Finally, I'm not bringing the hostility, you guys are, so why don't you just knock if off before the thread has to be edited again?

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