Author Topic: Don't play porn loud in condo, you could get your butt kicked. (Read 6348 times)

shardian · « **on:** February 22, 2007, 02:58:02 pm »

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/porn.sword.ap/index.html

Why would someone blast porn in a multi-tennant building in the first place, especially a rape-style porn? I feel kinda sorry for the dude who busted the door down.

ChadTower · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2007, 02:59:10 pm »

Heard about that on the radio this morning.

If there is one thing you neeeeeeeever want to see with your junk hanging out it is an angry intruder with a sharp sword.

shmokes · « **Reply #2 on:** February 22, 2007, 03:03:48 pm »

---gosh-darn---, I hope the prosecutor's drop the charges. Nobody got hurt and the guy was potentially risking his own safety to save someone else. Gotta feel a bit bad for him.

ChadTower · « **Reply #3 on:** February 22, 2007, 03:04:50 pm »

I definitely agree. All he is guilty of is cockblocking.

horseboy · « **Reply #4 on:** February 22, 2007, 03:06:52 pm »

horseboy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 22, 2007, 05:03:24 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on February 22, 2007, 03:04:50 pm

I definitely agree. All he is guilty of is cockblocking.

Thank god it wasn't cockchopping.

Crax · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2007, 05:12:07 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on February 22, 2007, 03:04:50 pm

I definitely agree. All he is guilty of is cockblocking.

Actually, I think he should be responsible for fixing the guys door he broke down, I don't think he should go to jail or anything like that.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2007, 05:48:24 pm »

He should have just called the police if he really was worried. You shouldn't take the law into your own hands.

horseboy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2007, 05:50:50 pm »

Quote from: USSEnterprise on February 22, 2007, 05:48:24 pm

He should have just called the police if he really was worried. You shouldn't take the law into your own hands.

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Van Iveren, who lives with his mother in the downstairs apartment, said he did not call police when he heard the noises because he does not have a telephone.

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:09:02 pm »

I dunno...if I thought someone was raping a woman I'd go intervene...to do otherwise is unthinkable.

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2007, 06:23:59 pm »

Quote from: horseboy on February 22, 2007, 05:50:50 pm

Quote from: USSEnterprise on February 22, 2007, 05:48:24 pm
He should have just called the police if he really was worried. You shouldn't take the law into your own hands.

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Van Iveren, who lives with his mother in the downstairs apartment, said he did not call police when he heard the noises because he does not have a telephone.

Surely a (different) neighbor had one.

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2007, 07:01:17 pm »

He could have knocked on the door. Instead he wanted to be a hero.

What if the police were called and when the police showed up they just kicked down the door.

I'd bet the same people calling this idiot a hero would be calling the police idiots for over reacting.

Jouster · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2007, 07:40:40 pm »

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According to a criminal complaint, the neighbor told police that Van Iveren pounded on the door and kicked it open without warning February 12, damaging the frame and lock.

He not only knocked...he pounded on the door.

Of course...if the guy was watching porn...he probably first had to get dressed before answering the door, and most likely wasn't going to answer anyway. Why ruin the mood?

Van Iveren should be given a medal...or at least a pat on the back. How many other people would have the sack to do that to save a stranger? No one was hurt...make him pay to fix the door...case closed.

Jouster

USSEnterprise · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2007, 08:09:37 pm »

He broke the law. He had no right to enter that apartment. He deserves punishment, not to be called a hero and get a medal.

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2007, 08:24:36 pm »

Quote from: USSEnterprise on February 22, 2007, 08:09:37 pm

He broke the law. He had no right to enter that apartment. He deserves punishment, not to be called a hero and get a medal.

OK...what if the guy WAS raping a girl? This guy would be a hero. You, on the other hand, would be ashamed of the fact that you did NOTHING to help her.

Call the cops? HA! Give me a break. It takes the cops many many minutes to arrive.

The guy should pay for the door, maybe buy the porn guy a bottle of spank lotion and move on.

I guess being 6'4" and 280 pounds, I deal with "scary" situations different than you.

shmokes · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2007, 08:27:43 pm »

---fudgesicle--- that. I"m 5'6" 135 Lbs and I say the same thing. You think someone's getting raped you intervene. Period.

. . . broke the law. Gimme a ---smurfing--- break. Like you never jaywalk. Like you're not going to run into a burning building to save a kid because, without being invited in, you're trespassing.

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2007, 08:34:15 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on February 22, 2007, 08:27:43 pm

---fudgesicle--- that. I"m 5'6" 135 Lbs and I say the same thing. You think someone's getting raped you intervene. Period.

. . . broke the law. Gimme a ---smurfing--- break. Like you never jaywalk. Like you're not going to run into a burning building to save a kid because, without being invited in, you're trespassing.

---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- right!

Perhaps it has less to do with size and more to do with something "inside"?

shmokes · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2007, 08:42:37 pm »

balls

saint · « **Reply #18 on:** February 22, 2007, 09:34:02 pm »

If I thought someone was being raped I'd go in. I'd have told my wife to call the cops, but I don't think I'd wait.

pointdablame · « **Reply #19 on:** February 22, 2007, 09:52:13 pm »

Quote from: USSEnterprise on February 22, 2007, 08:09:37 pm

He broke the law. He had no right to enter that apartment. He deserves punishment, not to be called a hero and get a medal.

The law is not concrete. You have many life lessons to learn.

I'd be in that apartment in a second. Arrest me for trespassing or breaking your door.. I don't care. I'd rather apologize for breaking a door than apologize for not helping someone being raped.

horseboy · « **Reply #20 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:32:54 pm »

I am with shmokes and FrizzleFried. I am 5'2" 365, and I would have done the same.

ChadTower · « **Reply #21 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:39:49 pm »

At 5-2 365 would you have made it up the stairs?

horseboy · « **Reply #22 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:45:01 pm »

Upstairs. Damn.

ChadTower · « **Reply #23 on:** February 22, 2007, 10:58:35 pm »

Well, with that much momentum, at least you'd crash that door without trouble.

KenToad · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2007, 02:34:56 am »

James Van Iveren, who lives with his mother, says he took matters into his own hands because he didn't have a phone to call police.

Ok, so he lives with his Mother. Why is this relevant? The sword idea is pretty silly, anyway, and just when did porn actors start being able to act? This man is obviously a loon, but I applaud his intent nonetheless.

danny_galaga · « **Reply #25 on:** February 23, 2007, 07:39:57 am »

Quote from: shmokes on February 22, 2007, 08:27:43 pm

---fudgesicle--- that. I"m 5'6" 135 Lbs and I say the same thing. You think someone's getting raped you intervene. Period.

. . . broke the law. Gimme a ---smurfing--- break. Like you never jaywalk. Like you're not going to run into a burning building to save a kid because, without being invited in, you're trespassing.

ha! i weigh more than at least ONE other person here

as you were...

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #26 on:** February 23, 2007, 08:17:31 am »

Yah, I have to agree, the sword was a bad idea. I'd have simply grabbed my aluminum baseball bat. It is much more satisfying hearing the crunch of bones rather than the slick sound of flesh being sliced apart. Plus, I am not all too keen on going to jail for murder...cuz even if the dude WAS raping a woman, to come in and chop the dudes head off would mean some serious legal issues...but to bust in and thump the dude a couple of times with a baseball bat (not in the head...just want to break bones, not kill)... not so much so.

I imagine I could do some serious damage with ole' Aluminum at full swing to the chest, knee, etc.

That said, I would imagine if I were to bust in and see a rape in progress, I am not sure I would have the wherewithal to "aim"...likely would just "go off".

horseboy · « **Reply #27 on:** February 23, 2007, 09:51:17 am »

Quote from: FrizzleFried on February 23, 2007, 08:17:31 am

It is much more satisfying hearing the crunch of bones rather than the slick sound of flesh being sliced apart.

SOAPboy?

ChadTower · « **Reply #28 on:** February 23, 2007, 10:00:30 am »

Quote from: FrizzleFried on February 23, 2007, 08:17:31 am

Yah, I have to agree, the sword was a bad idea. I'd have simply grabbed my aluminum baseball bat. It is much more satisfying hearing the crunch of bones rather than the slick sound of flesh being sliced apart. Plus, I am not all too keen on going to jail for murder...cuz even if the dude WAS raping a woman, to come in and chop the dudes head off would mean some serious legal issues...but to bust in and thump the dude a couple of times with a baseball bat (not in the head...just want to break bones, not kill)... not so much so.

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #29 on:** February 23, 2007, 12:12:50 pm »

If this guy doesn't get punished for what he did we all lose a little of our privacy, because we're saying it's okay for someone to kick down your door if that person thinks someone in your house is in danger.

If you're willing to die to save a woman then you should be willing to go to jail for your mistake.

This guy lives with his mother and doesn't have a phone, he's an idiot. It's only a matter of time before he or some other idiot that's following this story, kicks down your door because your microwave beep and he assumed it was your carbon monoxide detector.

ChadTower · « **Reply #30 on:** February 23, 2007, 12:17:09 pm »

I was installing a carbon monoxide/smoke detector upstairs in my house a few months ago. The windows were all open and I was running a lot of tests with it. As I'm walking through the living room I notice a guy wandering around in my yard. I get a little ticked and go outside to find out what he's trying to steal to discover that he heard the alarms and was trying to determine if anyone was inside and needed help. I thanked him, explained that I'm running tests, and he went on his way.

horseboy · « **Reply #31 on:** February 23, 2007, 12:27:05 pm »

Quote from: Dartful Dodger on February 23, 2007, 12:12:50 pm

If this guy doesn't get punished for what he did we all lose a little of our privacy, because we're saying it's okay for someone to kick down your door if that person thinks someone in your house is in danger.

If you're willing to die to save a woman then you should be willing to go to jail for your mistake.

This guy lives with his mother and doesn't have a phone, he's an idiot. It's only a matter of time before he or some other idiot that's following this story, kicks down your door because your microwave beep and he assumed it was your carbon monoxide detector.

Say I am walking down the street and I see some dude snatch an old lady's purse. The old lady screams bloody murder. I chase the guy down and tackle him, breaking his leg in the process. He rolls over and it's Johnny Knoxville. The whole thing is a Jackass skit. No actual crime was committed. It was a misunderstanding that resulted in some damage being done. Should I go to jail for that too?

ChadTower · « **Reply #32 on:** February 23, 2007, 12:46:00 pm »

They'd probably pay you for making the footage 100x better. It's Johnny Knoxville.

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #33 on:** February 23, 2007, 03:50:58 pm »

That's a nice fictional story.

Here's a real one:
A wrestling coach is watching his son in a wrestling match. The kid he's wrestling has him in a hold that technically isn't illegal, but could cause permanent damage. The referee knew this, but he's taking to long to decide whether or not to stop the match, instead of taking the chance on his son losing mobility of his shoulder he rushes the mat and throws the other kid across the floor.

This is unacceptable behavior and the father should and has take responsibility for his actions.

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #34 on:** February 23, 2007, 03:56:12 pm »

Quote from: Dartful Dodger on February 23, 2007, 03:50:58 pm

That's a nice fictional story.

Here's a real one:
A wrestling coach is watching his son in a wrestling match. The kid he's wrestling has him in a hold that technically isn't illegal, but could cause permanent damage. The referee knew this, but he's taking to long to decide whether or not to stop the match, instead of taking the chance on his son losing mobility of his shoulder he rushes the mat and throws the other kid across the floor.

This is unacceptable behavior and the father should and has take responsibility for his actions.

Er...I saw the video...it no way was the referee taking "too long to stop the match." There was literally a couple SECONDS at most that the kid was in that hold. You are comparing apples to oranges anyway.

ChadTower · « **Reply #35 on:** February 23, 2007, 03:58:32 pm »

And he has the story wrong anyway. The ref did blow the whistle and the father rushed the boy after hearing the whistle.

shardian · « **Reply #36 on:** February 23, 2007, 04:05:08 pm »

The dude heard a woman screaming for help, he went up there, banged on the door, kicked it in when there was no response, and saw a dude buttoning up his pants. You damn right he had every reason to point a sword at the guy.
Ok so the buttoning up the pants thing wasn't in the report but it is highly likely the guy was a bit disheveled after "practicing his mantra".

I think the porn guy should be charged with disturbing the peace and lewd public conduct. Once that sound leaves your windows, it is in the public you know.

Why in the world are you so up on this guy going to Jail Dartful? With your "Bush Won" Mantra, one would think you'd be handing the guy a medal.

ChadTower · « **Reply #37 on:** February 23, 2007, 04:06:16 pm »

Disturbing the peace, yes, but sitting in your own home is not public conduct no matter what people hear on the street.

Or would it be Disturbing His Piece?

shardian · « **Reply #38 on:** February 23, 2007, 04:08:02 pm »

Here is a tangent, did you all know that you can be arrested for watching porn on a car dvd player? I read a story a while back that it was getting pretty bad in bigger cities.

ChadTower · « **Reply #39 on:** February 23, 2007, 04:10:51 pm »

Charged with what?

I have seen people driving by with porn on the little screens in their car.

horseboy · « **Reply #40 on:** February 23, 2007, 04:33:35 pm »

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_180133016.html

shardian · « **Reply #41 on:** February 23, 2007, 04:49:29 pm »

I believe this was the article I read a while back:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4498739

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #42 on:** February 23, 2007, 05:23:50 pm »

These "what if" stories and "I'd do this" sound really good and might make you feel a little better about yourself, but they'll never happen that way.

There is a risk your taking when you go out of your way to help others. Not just the action movie risk, but the legal risks after the action. If you aren't willing to take those risks then you should just stay in the basement apartment with your mom.

I'm bothered by this because, I don't want to be paying a lawyer to explain why I felt it necessary to kill a guy who kicked my door in carrying a sword.

If somebody was banging and kicking at your front door (for what ever reason) would you answer it?

By not enforcing the law it's saying that it doesn't matter what others do to you, as long as they did it with good intentions.

whoknowswho · « **Reply #43 on:** February 23, 2007, 05:39:58 pm »

I would have done the same thing he did (I don't have any swords, though. Would have grabbed something, my XD or whatever was handy) It would be the only right thing to do. By the time the cops get there the damage would be done.

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #44 on:** February 23, 2007, 06:13:23 pm »

Quote from: Dartful Dodger on February 23, 2007, 05:23:50 pm

These "what if" stories and "I'd do this" sound really good and might make you feel a little better about yourself, but they'll never happen that way.

There is a risk your taking when you go out of your way to help others. Not just the action movie risk, but the legal risks after the action. If you aren't willing to take those risks then you should just stay in the basement apartment with your mom.

I'm bothered by this because, I don't want to be paying a lawyer to explain why I felt it necessary to kill a guy who kicked my door in carrying a sword.

If somebody was banging and kicking at your front door (for what ever reason) would you answer it?

By not enforcing the law it's saying that it doesn't matter what others do to you, as long as they did it with good intentions.

Hey...I understand this point of view...as it is a VALID point of view. Some of us WOULD accept that risk (of possibly recieving bodily harm and of the possible legal ramifications), some of WOULDN'T accept that risk. This guy accepted it. Bravo! I just hope there are people like this guy around if, god forbid, something bad were to happen to those who WOULDN'T accept the risk or their families.

Again...bravo! And if he DOES get charged, i'll be the first to donate $20 to his legal fund.

whoknowswho · « **Reply #45 on:** February 23, 2007, 07:19:06 pm »

Quote from: FrizzleFried on February 23, 2007, 06:13:23 pm

Quote from: Dartful Dodger on February 23, 2007, 05:23:50 pm
These "what if" stories and "I'd do this" sound really good and might make you feel a little better about yourself, but they'll never happen that way.

There is a risk your taking when you go out of your way to help others. Not just the action movie risk, but the legal risks after the action. If you aren't willing to take those risks then you should just stay in the basement apartment with your mom.

I'm bothered by this because, I don't want to be paying a lawyer to explain why I felt it necessary to kill a guy who kicked my door in carrying a sword.

If somebody was banging and kicking at your front door (for what ever reason) would you answer it?

By not enforcing the law it's saying that it doesn't matter what others do to you, as long as they did it with good intentions.

Hey...I understand this point of view...as it is a VALID point of view. Some of us WOULD accept that risk (of possibly recieving bodily harm and of the possible legal ramifications), some of WOULDN'T accept that risk. This guy accepted it. Bravo! I just hope there are people like this guy around if, god forbid, something bad were to happen to those who WOULDN'T accept the risk or their families.

Again...bravo! And if he DOES get charged, i'll be the first to donate $20 to his legal fund.

I agree. If you would let that happen to a woman, then I have doubts about your manhood. If that makes you angry, oh well.

SNAAKE · « **Reply #46 on:** February 24, 2007, 02:11:46 am »

what happens when you try to be a hero. and the guy looks like spiderman/peter parker...oh sweet irony

FrizzleFried · « **Reply #47 on:** February 24, 2007, 02:29:05 am »

Quote from: SNAAKE on February 24, 2007, 02:11:46 am

what happens when you try to be a hero. and the guy looks like spiderman/peter parker...oh sweet irony

Uh...not sure if anyone told you this or not...but...er...uh...and I really hate to break the news to you...but...uh...ummm...

SPIDERMAN IS A FRIGGIN' FICTIONAL CHARACTER!

danny_galaga · « **Reply #48 on:** February 24, 2007, 05:23:25 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on February 23, 2007, 04:10:51 pm

Charged with what?

I have seen people driving by with porn on the little screens in their car.

now that IS public, although i bet its argued its not. it reminds me of a couple in my home town some years ago that were feeling in the mood after moving into their house. they only had the curtains to put on the floor. so they took them down. for some unknown reason, an off duty policeman saw them at it (and would have had to be in their yard) and arrested them for lewd behaviour!

SNAAKE · « **Reply #49 on:** February 24, 2007, 12:32:31 pm »

Quote from: FrizzleFried on February 24, 2007, 02:29:05 am

Quote from: SNAAKE on February 24, 2007, 02:11:46 am
what happens when you try to be a hero. and the guy looks like spiderman/peter parker...oh sweet irony

Uh...not sure if anyone told you this or not...but...er...uh...and I really hate to break the news to you...but...uh...ummm...

SPIDERMAN IS A FRIGGIN' FICTIONAL CHARACTER!

I meant the dude plays spiderman !

shmokes · « **Reply #50 on:** February 26, 2007, 01:37:53 pm »

A part of me wishes that he had caught an actual rapist, cos think of how much better the news story would have been if he had chopped the guy's head off.

Also, Dartful is ridiculous.

ChadTower · « **Reply #51 on:** February 26, 2007, 01:44:02 pm »

Better story, yes, but he'd be in jail for first degree murder while the girl being raped would sue him for mental distress because she had to witness it.

shardian · « **Reply #52 on:** February 26, 2007, 01:47:30 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on February 26, 2007, 01:44:02 pm

Better story, yes, but he'd be in jail for first degree murder while the girl being raped would sue him for mental distress because she had to witness it.

In the movies, the girl would let him finish what the rapist started.

Yeah, I know it's in bad taste. So what.

ChadTower · « **Reply #53 on:** February 26, 2007, 01:49:16 pm »

In the movies that guy would have been Sean Connery, licensed Therapist.

shardian · « **Reply #54 on:** February 26, 2007, 01:54:12 pm »

Rape...swords...this reminds me of a certain movie...

ChadTower · « **Reply #55 on:** February 26, 2007, 01:56:52 pm »

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #56 on:** February 26, 2007, 03:07:38 pm »

If the guy really was a rapist the ending of this story would be completely different.

A real criminal in his own home against a guy who lives in a basement apartment with his mom. It's ridiculous to believe this guy would have been able to stop a jaywalker, let alone a violent criminal.

jbox · « **Reply #57 on:** February 26, 2007, 08:43:12 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on February 26, 2007, 01:37:53 pm

think of how much better the news story would have been if he had chopped the guy's head off.

Close, but no 'cigar'.

shmokes · « **Reply #58 on:** February 26, 2007, 08:46:20 pm »

No way. This is my imagination. He gets to do whatever he wants. He cut the guy's head off.


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