i finally repaired these ceronix chassis and i thought i would post here the problem just in case anyone else has issue's like these.
both chassis had problems with the solder traces(not dry joints),i believe this was down to poor manufacturing process as one had never been used and the other less than a year old when the problem arose.
one chassis would not fire up at all and sit in trip,this turned out to be a bad trace on the neck card to chassis signal plug
the second,which i must add was a total pig of a job,turned out to be an actual trace missing on the transformer-when i say it was missing what i mean is the actual marking of the trace was there but there was no metal underneath

anyway i am over the moon to get these fixed as they were my last outstanding repairs left for me by the previous techs
