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RobotronNut:

--- Quote from: RandyT on November 06, 2006, 09:01:33 am ---
--- Quote from: RobotronNut on November 06, 2006, 02:54:02 am ---this is all w.r.t. true spinner games, not analog paddle games. i wonder which, if any, can play warlords perfectly...

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I couldn't stop playing it during testing....  Analog paddle games play great as well due to the extra resolution.  They just don't have a dead stop at the edges of the screen.

RandyT

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i'm getting very tempted to upgrade from my slikstik tornado. the problem is that my 3 favorite spinner games are:

  1) discs of tron
  2) arkanoid
  3) warlords

and i only have space for ONE SPINNER on my panel!!!

ahofle:

--- Quote from: RobotronNut on November 06, 2006, 02:26:45 pm ---my 3 favorite spinner games are:

  1) discs of tron
  2) arkanoid
  3) warlords

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Isn't it funny how it seems that our favorite games are always the ones that have no reasonably priced, readily available replacement arcade controls?   :hissy:

(I'm a Tron fan)  ;D

erictrumpet:

--- Quote from: ahofle on November 06, 2006, 04:27:37 pm ---Isn't it funny how it seems that our favorite games are always the ones that have no reasonably priced, readily available replacement arcade controls?
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For me what it came down to is that I want to play DOT and I only want one spinner. The Apache does the push/pull, and it very well made so it works great on everything else.

As for Arkanoid, I explained in a different thread how I was able to push the MAME sensitivity settings high enough to get the bumper thingy to move across the screen with the right number of turns, according to what RandyT said the original game is like. 120 degrees = one screen width of movement (see this thread: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=57329.0 in Hardware Reviews for the exact numbers).

As for the geared-spinner feel, I personally don't care much about that. I guess the bottom line is that Arkanoid is not one of my all-time favorites, so feel and perfect turn-to-movement ratio just isn't that important. All I know is with my Apache (and also with my old Oscar V2, which has an even LOWER tooth count than Apache), I am able to play Arkanoid and it is fun. I am not building a repro Arkanoid cab anyway, I am buildign a do-it-all cab with Arkanoid as one of the 4 million games it can play. :) So, with the Apache I can play DOT, which IS one of all-time favorite games, as well as Arkanoid and all the rest.

Let's not forget the many other spinner games guys, like Tempest, for which the Apache kicks butt. Kevin's Retroblast review even specifically mentions this. I like to jump in on these threads in support of Apache because I really think they make a great spinner and I've been very happy with mine. Trust me guys, I know we all miss Kelsey and hope he is doing well in whatever he is up to these days, but Oscar Controls never made anything as nice as this :)

Eric.


RandyT:

--- Quote from: erictrumpet on November 07, 2006, 10:57:02 am ---As for Arkanoid, I explained in a different thread how I was able to push the MAME sensitivity settings high enough to get the bumper thingy to move across the screen with the right number of turns, according to what RandyT said the original game is like. 120 degrees = one screen width of movement (see this thread: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=57329.0 in Hardware Reviews for the exact numbers).

As for the geared-spinner feel, I personally don't care much about that. I guess the bottom line is that Arkanoid is not one of my all-time favorites, so feel and perfect turn-to-movement ratio just isn't that important. All I know is with my Apache (and also with my old Oscar V2, which has an even LOWER tooth count than Apache), I am able to play Arkanoid and it is fun. I am not building a repro Arkanoid cab anyway, I am buildign a do-it-all cab with Arkanoid as one of the 4 million games it can play. :) So, with the Apache I can play DOT, which IS one of all-time favorite games, as well as Arkanoid and all the rest.

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I'm Glad to hear that you are happy with your spinner.  If you are a big DOT fan, then you made the right choice.
 
However, saying that you can "play" Arkanoid "and everything else" with a low-res spinner control is very much like saying you can "play" PacMan with an 8-way stick.  Yes, technically it works, but it does not deliver the accuracy and is ultimately a hindrance when playing the game.  And it is not just Arkanoid, it is Warlords, Avalanche, Blasteroids, Circus, Cosmic Chasm,  Major Havoc, etc, etc.

 "Fit and finish" make a controller really nice to look at, but it doesn't help gameplay.  If you need to position a paddle in just the right place to make the ball go where you want it to, or aim a vector ship at just the right angle to take out an oncoming foe and you can't do it because your spinner won't let you, then it doesn't really allow you to play the game well.

Again, it's very much one of those things that need to be experienced to be appreciated.  There is very high probability that once you do, you won't want it any other way.

RandyT

RobotronNut:

--- Quote from: RandyT on November 07, 2006, 11:20:38 am ---"Fit and finish" make a controller really nice to look at, but it doesn't help gameplay.  If you need to position a paddle in just the right place to make the ball go where you want it to, or aim a vector ship at just the right angle to take out an oncoming foe and you can't do it because your spinner won't let you, then it doesn't really allow you to play the game well.

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hear! hear!  GAMEPLAY is what matters.  randyt "gets it."  :notworthy:

fit and finish: i love it and will pay for it IF the gameplay is perfect.

now PLEASE give me perfect arkanoid/warlords gameplay AND push/pull (and make the flywheel removable)!  :hissy:

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