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Banacek:
Good info all around. I just wondered why VB has a bad rep. You mention it to some programmers and they shoot you dirty looks. Never understood why, since I've never used it.
The point about older machines is a good one that I didn't think about. My school is still focused on Java, but I believe we're making the switch to C#. 3 years already and I still don't feel like I learned anything :)
loadman:
--- Quote --- the best compromise i found , is DELPHI.
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A bit off topic.
But I am just starting to learn Delphi with the goal of building simple arcade utils down the track.
I can say that my initial thoughts is the learning curve appears steeper that VB6 but I'm gonna hang in there. :P
PS The last thing I learned (3 years ago) was 'Lisp' Heard of that anyone?
Howard_Casto:
--- Quote from: Banacek on September 07, 2006, 01:54:59 pm ---Good info all around. I just wondered why VB has a bad rep. You mention it to some programmers and they shoot you dirty looks. Never understood why, since I've never used it.
The point about older machines is a good one that I didn't think about. My school is still focused on Java, but I believe we're making the switch to C#. 3 years already and I still don't feel like I learned anything :)
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You won't. I aced all of my programming classes but didn't learn anything until I started writing stuff for this community.
Maybe it's just me, but even in the advanced programming classes these days, the example projects they make you do are retardedly easy. They seldom ever go into stuff you'll actually need to know, like interfacing the api, advanced registry calls, ect.... They just want to teach you database stuff, which is only useful if you are going to be an in house programmer for a small business that just needs a glorified access interface.
youki:
--- Code: ---3 years already and I still don't feel like I learned anything
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In fact you have the feeling to not learn but you do.
Of course after your classes you won't be a programmer expert or something. But you will have already a good overview and know more or less what you can do or not. You have the Bases , it is very important.
I was like you , i started in 1992-93 a one year university classe dedicated to Multimedia and Windows programming under C++. I mastered allready DOS programming for years (Assembler, C and Basic) but i wanted to learn the "emerging" windows NT. The course covered a large range of domain . Object Oriented method and programing, GDI programing, Multimedia , real time programming and multithreading as well Device Driver Programming. We worked on BETA version of Windows NT 3.1 .
At the end of the year, i add the feeling to know absolutly nothing. I didn't event understand why we have to use OBject.,Why it is better than a classic programming..etc.. at the end of the scholl we had 6month in a company to work. And suddenly by doing thing by myself on a real project , all become clear little by little.
And finally the company hired me and in the same time , the following year i was teaching at that school some modules , and i had my MCP (Microsoft Certified Professionnel) for Visual C++ .
--- Quote ---Good info all around. I just wondered why VB has a bad rep. You mention it to some programmers and they shoot you dirty looks. Never understood why, since I've never used it.
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VB is considered as a Toy by most of professionnal i know. (version <= VB6) . I think it is a toy too. At the end of 90's , i have lot of worked with VB , Projects manager was thinking it will be more fast to develop with VB. We had so much problem and limitation at all the level with it , that a big parts of project has been migrated to other technology.
But VB stay a good way to learn programmation, and we can do lot of good thing as soon as you avoid heavy professional use.
For a Front End and tool it is good. Look MameWah or DK .
--- Quote ---I can say that my initial thoughts is the learning curve appears steeper that VB6 but I'm gonna hang in there.
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Yes, i agree, that's true if you are already familiar with Microsoft Language. Because some concept are different. I had some difficulty at the begining too. But after i understood the philosophy , the learning curve was exponential!.
--- Quote ---PS The last thing I learned (3 years ago) was 'Lisp' Heard of that anyone?
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I know it (never praticed it) . That language is more AI oriented i think?
unclet:
LISP ..... yes .... learned that a long time ago ..... it is an artificial intelligence language. I have not worked with it in years though .... I remember making a Connect-4 game (kind of like tic-tac-toe game but you need 4 in a row) with that language which allowed the computer to play against a human being.
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