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Suzo Inductive Sticks - exploded view
Level42:
--- Quote from: GrantJ on May 17, 2006, 06:15:51 am ---Im my opinion these joysticks are a bit of a waste of time, having looked at one in the all they have done is remove the microswitch and replace it with a hall effect sensor. Ok they dont have as many moving parts but they havent been specificaly designed for the task.
I also under stand from a contact at Suzo that they are not produced any longer they are simply selling old stock.
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I'm sorry, Grant, but I can only :laugh2: :laugh2: at your comments. Calling this stick a waste of time shows that you obviously have never actualy played one. You've got to bear in mind that these sticks were developped I guess about 20 years ago. LOOOONG before the p360's.
Moving from mechanical switches to a non-moving parts stick which is fully electronic is anything but "all they've done", actualy it was a (courageous) breakthrough on the market.
One that never took flight regretfully. I think they made one mistake on this otherwise terrific product:
They didn't make/offer a more or less complete harness to make it easy to switch from a regular microswitch stick to this one. Operators didn't want to spend the time needed to make the new connections, especialy the +5V connection has probably been too much for most operators.
The operators may have only been appealed by the fact that there would be less maintanence (microswitch exchanging) but this was not enough compared to the extra hassle of wiring. The fact that these sticks play like a dream is of no concern to the operators, what do they care ? In fact, they don't WANT you to play longer on a game, because the stick is better....
What do you mean with "...but they havent been specificaly designed for the task." ?
The task was simple: better game play and less maintanance. I think they designed it for those tasks and they accomplished it completely.
Your contact is right. I am in the lucky position to be able to buy directly from Suzo's headquarters here in The Netherlands (yes it is a Duch company) and I talk a lot with them. Indeed they are no longer produced, I'd say they stopped production LONG ago. (The sticks are still bearing the old location of Suzo "Rotterdam" AND the box carries the logo that was in use at the late 80's/early 90's).
They moved from Rotterdam to a sub-urb about 10 years ago.... They stopped for the reason I mentioned above AND because the traditional arcade games that use joysticks have almost completely vanished here in Europe over the last 10 years.
I've actualy bought the very last 38 mm. ball handle version from Suzo a couple of months ago. They only still have about 20 pcs. 32 mm. ball handle on stock, but I'd only use these on either a mini-cab or a cocktail.
The only other source I know it TNTamusments, I don't have a clue about how much they still have. But even so, does the fact that they are selling old stock mean that it is a bad product ? No way.
I've been using two of these sticks in my cab for months now, and I know I'd never want to trade them for a leaf, let alone a (yugh) microswitch stick....
So, please if you either don't know anything about the product (you haven't played them obviously) or have any arguments that make sense, refrain from posting untrue claims like these.....thanks
u_rebelscum:
--- Quote from: GrantJ on May 17, 2006, 06:15:51 am ---... having looked at one in the all they have done is remove the microswitch and replace it with a hall effect sensor.
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Not that it's that important, but induction senses (name of joystick) is NOT the same as Hall Effect senses. They do not use Hall Effect sensors (the coils are a dead give away, as well as other posts saying a magnet on the end of the stick is not needed, just plain steel).
Hall Effect is based on the strength of a magnetic field effecting the direction current flows perpendicular to the magnetic field, and thus the amount of current through each of two outputs.
Induction is a broader term, and have more to do with the moving or changing of the magnetic field (not the constant strength like Hall Effect) and the effect on the current or volts.
Anybody have a wiring schematic of this joystick? All these posts got me wondering which induction property is being used.
Grasshopper:
The amazing thing is how simple the circuit looks. I wonder whether someone like Andy or Randy could design a similar board that could be bolted onto a standard joystick in place of the microswitches.
kowal:
This would can be designed how optical arrangement for SanwFlash. This looked identically how PCB microswitches for JLF-TPY8.
Flash
PCBmicroswitches
Flas does not be produced
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3082822&postcount=328
He if would be produced he would can sell Flash. Instead of from new to project inductive arrangement. In it working there are no larger differences. It inductive arrangement was it been possible was however to regulate at will. And then huge advantage.
P360 be executed fatally. He has a lot of constructional defects. Flash would be for P360 and SUZO good alternative
AndyWarne:
--- Quote from: Grasshopper on May 17, 2006, 06:27:30 pm ---The amazing thing is how simple the circuit looks. I wonder whether someone like Andy or Randy could design a similar board that could be bolted onto a standard joystick in place of the microswitches.
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Something like this maybe?
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