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Suzo Inductive Sticks - exploded view
specfire:
I got my Suzo Inductives from TNT Amusements a few weeks ago and finally opened the parcel today. I took apart the joystick and snapped some photos.
First off, it is intended to be bottom mounted (which I wanted) but does NOT fit in a standard joystick hole (which I didn't know). The mounting plate has a "raised disk" of plastic that sits in the joystick hole in lieu of a dust washer. This disk is just a bit larger than the joystick handle which means, unlike Happ sticks, you don't have to take off the handle to mount the sticks (as long as you have the required bigger hole.) I didn't know this and so proceded to take the joystick apart to under mount it, only to discover that the mounting plate would not mount flush because of the aforementioned "raised disk."
The joystick does not use an e-clip, but instead uses a much more difficult to remove retaining clip for which you must have a special tool to remove.
The restrictor has been described as an octagonal restrictor which is true after a fashion. It is more like a round restrictor with plastic "bumps." This is the only aspect of the stick that I really don't like. Doing a round sweep of the joystick feels like travelling down a cobblestone road on roller skates, very bumpy. I think I am going to sand them down for a more round restriction.
As far as the appearance of the joystick handle itself, I like it a lot. It is very comfortable. A great compromise in comfort and grip between the bat-top style and ball-top style. I think I am going to paint the ball itself and mask-off the black plastic shaft in order to get a red ball top with a black plastic shaft. I need to determine what kind of plastic it is made from first before I choose the type of paint.
As far as how it works, I posted in Kowal's MOD thread here: MOD: Suzo Universal Inductive
Well, onto the photos:
Level42:
--- Quote from: specfire on May 16, 2006, 08:33:04 pm ---
The joystick does not use an e-clip, but instead uses a much more difficult to remove retaining clip for which you must have a special tool to remove.
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Well, personaly I think Suzo's ring is a lot easier to remove, but yes you need the tool.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=41571.0
--- Quote from: specfire on May 16, 2006, 08:33:04 pm ---The restrictor has been described as an octagonal restrictor which is true after a fashion. It is more like a round restrictor with plastic "bumps." This is the only aspect of the stick that I really don't like. Doing a round sweep of the joystick feels like travelling down a cobblestone road on roller skates, very bumpy. I think I am going to sand them down for a more round restriction.
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True, but when do you actualy need to do a round sweep in a game ? These bumps were made to help you hit the 8 ways easier. But indeed, if you don't like it you can always sand them out. However, I've yet to play a game in which I find this a problem.
--- Quote from: specfire on May 16, 2006, 08:33:04 pm ---As far as the appearance of the joystick handle itself, I like it a lot. It is very comfortable. A great compromise in comfort and grip between the bat-top style and ball-top style.
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Ahhhhh, finaly someone who agrees with me this handle is fine ! :applaud:
--- Quote from: specfire on May 16, 2006, 08:33:04 pm ---As far as how it works, I posted in Kowal's MOD thread here: MOD: Suzo Universal Inductive
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Yup, that's how it works. I never said it was a magnet on the end of the shaft, but magnetic material (not being a magnet itself). Couldn't find the correct word for it, but indeed ferrite is it :)
You may have missed this previous thread about these fantastic joysticks.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=42066.0
Bless yourself you got a pair, they are getting rare quickly ;)
The next thing we need to find out, are the two "ideal" resistance values for 4/8 way switching...
The way to do this is use a program that show the directions you hit correctly. Then you adjust the pot so it will never hit a diagonal. Then measure the pot's value (need to solder it out to measure correctly !), then put it back in, adjust for a good 8-way setting and measure again. Now we can either have two pots with a switch or maybe two fixed resistors with a switch to select between 4 and 8 way.
I'm gonna give this a try tonight when I'm back from work and will report.
GrantJ:
Im my opinion these joysticks are a bit of a waste of time, having looked at one in the all they have done is remove the microswitch and replace it with a hall effect sensor. Ok they dont have as many moving parts but they havent been specificaly designed for the task.
I also under stand from a contact at Suzo that they are not produced any longer they are simply selling old stock.
kowal:
This is a lot of better from microswitches. It was it been possible to move about one pixel on screen. Efficiency josyticks inductive or optical it is 30% better average in shumps: scraping bullets-Siki2, Guwange, Progear, ESPGaluda. difference is huge.
specfire:
--- Quote ---True, but when do you actually need to do a round sweep in a game ?
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--Robotron.
--- Quote ---all they have done is remove the microswitch and replace it with a hall effect sensor.
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-- You are missing the big advantage of these joysticks. Perfect 8-way action and a sensor that can determine exact joystick position, therefore it can be adjusted to respond as a very accurate 8-way or 4-way.
--- Quote ---I also under stand from a contact at Suzo that they are not produced any longer
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-- This is a shame because they seem to be a great stick. Perhaps now that Happ and Suzo have merged, Happ demanded that this stick be discontinued to prevent perceived competition with the P360 (even though the P360 does not have the same functionality.)
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