Author Topic: Wells Gardner D9200 (Read 6098 times)

crashdmj · « **on:** February 10, 2003, 10:26:43 pm »

Is the max resolution of this like 600xsomething? Are their any other models that have bigger resolution? And you cant use mame64 with it can you? Thank you for any responses.

nipsmg · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2003, 09:26:14 am »

the max res on this monitor is actually 800x600 (even though not listed as such). you can run windows at as low as 640x480, which is the standard resolution for this monitor. You can use ANY MAME VERSION with this.

--NipsMG

crashdmj · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2003, 02:03:52 pm »

Won't it hurt the monitor if i run it at a resolution that it was not made for?

Silverwind · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2003, 02:30:55 pm »

Quote from: crashdmj on February 11, 2003, 02:03:52 pm

Won't it hurt the monitor if i run it at a resolution that it was not made for?

I don't believe so.. it has built in protection.. it will display "out of range" if you try to display a signal it is not capable of..

(at least this is the case for refresh rates, i'm not sure about resolution)

If you do not try to display above 800x600 I don't see how you would have any problems whatsoever...

crashdmj · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2003, 09:45:42 pm »

How come the posts: WG D9200 Video Card Recommendations states you can't just use any mame version with an arcade monitor cause only a couple support arcade monitor options. The post is somewhere on this first page of posts.

Frostillicus · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2003, 10:48:10 pm »

Quote from: crashdmj on February 11, 2003, 09:45:42 pm

How come the posts: WG D9200 Video Card Recommendations states you can't just use any mame version with an arcade monitor cause only a couple support arcade monitor options. The post is somewhere on this first page of posts.

but the d9200 is not just any arcade monitor- it can display up to 800x600, if you send it more than that then it will display an 'out of range' signal like silverwind said.

Most people with a d9200 use Advancemame to create the best, truest resolutions possible. That's different than regualr mame or mame32 which is set at 640x480(or something else) and uses hardware stretch to fill the screen.

crashdmj · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2003, 12:45:15 pm »

What If I use the 9200 and use Andy's card should I be fine using any other version of Mame? Also before I forget how good will Andy's card handle newer Neo Geo games or N64 games?

android · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2003, 02:24:42 am »

Quote from: crashdmj on February 12, 2003, 12:45:15 pm

What If I use the 9200 and use Andy's card should I be fine using any other version of Mame? Also before I forget how good will Andy's card handle newer Neo Geo games or N64 games?

Don't have an ArcadeVGA yet, but based on previous answers here's my take: if you connect your d9200 to the arcade monitor connector of the ArcadeVGA, then it will work just like an arcade monitor (perfect resolutions with ordinary mame, at native 15khz), but you will loose your ability to drive your monitor at higher resolutions (640x480, 800x600). On the other hand, if you connect it to the SVGA connector, then your setup will behave like a d9200 with an ordinary card, i.e. you loose the ArcadeVGA's built-in ability to use perfect resolutions @ 15khz.

So unless I'm missing something, it is pointless to use the ArcadeVGA with the d9200.

Wade · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2003, 05:07:57 pm »

I just had to express my excitement because I just ordered one of these! Can't wait to get it!

Wade

crashdmj · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2003, 06:13:48 pm »

Wade you got to let me know how it is. Does anyone know if Andy's card will rin newer Neo Geo games well, I figure any emulator that uses memory over 3D acceleration should be fine right? So no N64 or zinc?

Dr. J · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2003, 01:54:04 pm »

I love my D9200. I haven't had any problems running any mame games on it, and as long as the pc games don't exceed 800X600 they look great also. The best part is that it plugs right into whatever videocard you're already using. Click my "www" under my name to see some pics. --Jay

tom61 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2003, 09:31:06 pm »

Quote

Does anyone know if Andy's card will rin newer Neo Geo games well, I figure any emulator that uses memory over 3D acceleration should be fine right? So no N64 or zinc?

It'll run pretty much anything, 2D or 3D. I've loaded up ZDoomGL (very hardware intense 3D accelerated port of Doom), and Unreal Tournament with no troubles. Keep in mind this card is based around the fairly powerfull Radeon VE chipset and has 64MB of RAM. You should be able to run any PC game until Doom 3 comes out with little troubles. 3D emus should prove little challenge to it.

But having said that, Andy's card and the D9200 together is pretty much redunant. With the D9200 you can use any video card you wish. If you really want as close to arcade as possible and are willing to shell out the dough, go for it. If you just want to play the games, it'd be cheaper just to get an old Geforce 2.

Just in case you were wondering, I'm using Andy's card with an arcade monitor that doesn't have VGA support.

AndyWarne · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2003, 05:17:27 pm »

What has been said here is largely correct in that the ArcadeVGA will not run the 9200 at any higher freq than 15Khz, so will interlace the picture needlessly at 640 X 480.
The Arcadevga will still give the advantage over a normal card of being able to easily run at the native 15Khz resolutions which cover most games, which a normal card will not, so it's not really redundant.
I might do a version of the ArcadeVGA tailored to these monitors..

crashdmj · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2003, 07:20:30 pm »

Im sorry Andy but I have no idea what all that means, sorry guys Im just a newb. Thanks though

RoadhawK · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2003, 10:42:44 am »

Quote from: AndyWarne on February 16, 2003, 05:17:27 pm

I might do a version of the ArcadeVGA tailored to these monitors..

Wow, i'm considering one of these monitors and your card. The only thing stopping me is support for 25Khz and 31.5khz. How easy/diff would it be to add these frequencies to the ArcadeVGA card?
Tia.

Dariusz · « **Reply #15 on:** February 18, 2003, 04:49:14 pm »

Roadhawk,

Why do you need these frequencies, and what would their purpose be?

Dariusz

Quote from: RoadhawK on February 18, 2003, 10:42:44 am

Quote from: AndyWarne on February 16, 2003, 05:17:27 pm
I might do a version of the ArcadeVGA tailored to these monitors..

Wow, i'm considering one of these monitors and your card. The only thing stopping me is support for 25Khz and 31.5khz. How easy/diff would it be to add these frequencies to the ArcadeVGA card?
Tia.

RoadhawK · « **Reply #16 on:** February 18, 2003, 05:04:36 pm »

Well i may be incorrect here so bear with me. The Horiz sync of the monitor is 15.75- 31.5Khz. I think there are some newer games or a few that allready use these higher rates. Probably not many games use these though, anyone like to take a guess?.
I just think it would be nice to know that the arcadeVGA would have these to it's armoury.

Appologies if i am totally wrong about this but this is what i have gathered after a bit of digging.

crashdmj · « **Reply #17 on:** February 18, 2003, 07:35:39 pm »

I guess I'll state my question another way: So are their any downsides to a WG D9200 and Andy's new card?

AlanS17 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 18, 2003, 10:50:05 pm »

Ok this is the basic breakdown. The d9200 is useful if you are using a standard video card. And Andy's video is uselful if you're using a standard monitor. You don't need both. It's not only redundant, but I would venture to guess there's a drop in performance to go with it.

I would assume that the d9200 with a really tricked out videe card would be the best way to go as it allows for more upgradeability and interchangeability in the future. Plus since the d9200 has a standard VGA connector (as opposed to RGB) you can plug it directly into the back of the computer without any modification.

Andy's video card would probably be best suited to work along-side the J-Pac with it's built-in converter/amplifier. It's a much more inexpensive alternative with near-comparable results.

As for the d9200, as long as you can get it to show on a standard monitor screen you can get it to show on a d9200. Just set up your computer at your desk and drop it straight into the machine.

(Can y'all tell I really want a d9200???)

crashdmj · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2003, 12:10:32 am »

But doesnt Andy's card produce better resolution so you dont have to hardware stretch?

"As for the d9200, as long as you can get it to show on a standard monitor screen you can get it to show on a d9200. Just set up your computer at your desk and drop it straight into the machine"

You mean set up your comp with comp. monitor, plug in the D9200 and it works that simple? If so Im getting me one of these!!

nipsmg · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2003, 10:53:35 am »

Quote from: crashdmj on February 19, 2003, 12:10:32 am

But doesnt Andy's card produce better resolution so you dont have to hardware stretch?

"As for the d9200, as long as you can get it to show on a standard monitor screen you can get it to show on a d9200. Just set up your computer at your desk and drop it straight into the machine"

You mean set up your comp with comp. monitor, plug in the D9200 and it works that simple? If so Im getting me one of these!!

THat's correct.

The D9200 not only works as an arcade monitor but also as a computer monitor with standard VGA resolutions (640x480, 800x600), and has a standard VGA connector.. so you can set up your computer at 640x480, unplug your computer monitor, plug in the D9200, and it'll work.. jsut like that.

too bad it's $500 after shipping costs

--NipsMG

OSCAR · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2003, 11:39:18 am »

Quote from: crashdmj on February 19, 2003, 12:10:32 am

But doesnt Andy's card produce better resolution so you dont have to hardware stretch

"As for the d9200, as long as you can get it to show on a standard monitor screen you can get it to show on a d9200. Just set up your computer at your desk and drop it straight into the machine"

You mean set up your comp with comp. monitor, plug in the D9200 and it works that simple? If so Im getting me one of these!!

It can be just that simple, or not, it depends on what you consider acceptable. Many, many people have been very happy with their D9200's, as indicated by the many positive posts about them. But if you are really on the fence, so to speak, then you may want to check out these posts. They make for interesting reading and could possibly influence your decision.

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=4393

http://www.ultimarc.com/messages/2389.html

Dariusz · « **Reply #22 on:** February 19, 2003, 05:05:44 pm »

Hi Andy,

Just read you quote.

If you do make this modification, what would be involved. Would it just be a software/bios update. Ie. can I purchase the existing ArcadeVGA card now, and update the software on it once you make the modifications (I'm assuming that you are going to make the modifications).

If you do goahead, how long would it take, because setting up advance mame all the time it to consuming and still buggy (by buggy I mean the advv application, as the test screen is not displayed correctly meaning it it difficult to adjust an resolution).

Kind Regards,

Dariusz

Quote from: AndyWarne on February 16, 2003, 05:17:27 pm

What has been said here is largely correct in that the ArcadeVGA will not run the 9200 at any higher freq than 15Khz, so will interlace the picture needlessly at 640 X 480.
The Arcadevga will still give the advantage over a normal card of being able to easily run at the native 15Khz resolutions which cover most games, which a normal card will not, so it's not really redundant.
I might do a version of the ArcadeVGA tailored to these monitors..

crashdmj · « **Reply #23 on:** February 19, 2003, 11:26:18 pm »

How well does windows look with the d9200? I mean i know it wont be damn near perfect but how good? Cause I love to play other emus in windows as well. I am thinking of going with a Gforce3 card and the D9200, any comments or suggestions.

Wade · « **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2003, 09:20:00 am »

I just wanted to say I ordered mine a week ago from American Gaming and it arrived last friday the 21st. The cost was $450 plus $50 shipping.

It looks great! All the games I ran so far worked without any special tweaking. Eventually I want to try running games at their native refresh rates for the best emulation possible, but for now it is nice not to have to mess with it and still get a full sized and clear picture. I'm using an ATI video card.

Got it mounted up yesterday (sunday) too! My cab is really starting to look like something.

Wade


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