Author Topic: so, erm, yeah, that podcasting thing... (Read 3280 times)

ChadTower · « **on:** February 08, 2006, 02:52:37 pm »

I must be getting old. Falling behind. I have read up a bit on podcasting, but really, what is it and would I want to use it?

PrizLucky · « **Reply #1 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:04:11 pm »

podcasting .. so yeah, have you ever dreamed of having your own radio show that you could broadcast to the world, and talk about whatever you wanted?? ...

yeah.. me neither...

okay, so have you ever dreamed that you could download a bunch of amateur broadcasters who probably don't have thier real radio shows for a reason doing whatever it is that they want in their own amatuer radio show...

yeah.. me neither..

okay, really, i suppose there are some good podcasts out there.. if you search long and hard enough... me? i don't have that much drive for some chance at some additional entertainment...

having said all of that.. I do tune into woot's daily podcast.. that's always good for a quick chuckle

ChadTower · « **Reply #2 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:17:50 pm »

I love cheesy home made movies and shows. Seems like it would be a natural for podcasts... but is it a format or just a marketing term for "you can download the whole mpg any time you want"?

Stingray · « **Reply #3 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:26:08 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on February 08, 2006, 03:17:50 pm

but is it a format or just a marketing term for "you can download the whole mpg any time you want"?

I think it's just a marketing term, but I'm kind of grey and fuzzy on the whole concept too.

-S

SirPoonga · « **Reply #4 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:27:28 pm »

Quote from: PrizLucky on February 08, 2006, 03:04:11 pm

okay, so have you ever dreamed that you could download a bunch of amateur broadcasters who probably don't have thier real radio shows for a reason doing whatever it is that they want in their own amatuer radio show...

Leo Laporte is an amatuer? The Onion are amatuers?
NPR are amatuers? Hmmm, wouldn't think a radio station as being an amatuer

ChadTower, basically a podcast is a radio show via the internet. Cheap to create your own. So yes, alot of amatuer radio. Use to be called webcasts but the iPod made them popular. But you don't need an iPod, they are just mp3s or streams.

Great sites for finding podcasts
http://www.podcast.net/
http://www.podcastalley.com/

I like using iTunes for podcasts because 1) it autosyncs them with my ipod 1) it auto check for new shows when it starts up. 3) I can search for podcasts through the music store.

When I get home from work I turn on my computer. Once logged in I plug in my ipod, which will open itunes, which will automatically check for new shows and sync with ipod.

I listen to
NPR Story of the Day
This Week In Tech with Leo Laporte
Diggnation
Basscast
The Onion
MAKE Magazine
93X Half Ass Morning Show Stupid News
Matt's Today in History

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting

Of course now that video ipods are getting popular videocasts are starting to appear.
I have downloaded the MAKE magazine videocasts.

PrizLucky · « **Reply #5 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:27:37 pm »

podcasting is really just an extended rss (the syndication standards that blogs traditionally use); adding some stuff in to describe location and information about the podcast file.. traditionally podcasts have been audio files.. that, yeah, you donwload and listen to 'em whenever (and with your handy-dandy iPod wherever) youwant. with the introduciton of the video ipods i believe that there are now video podcasts (though I guess I'm too old-fashsioned, because I haven't d/l'd any video podcasts)

SirPoonga · « **Reply #6 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:28:41 pm »

Quote from: Stingray on February 08, 2006, 03:26:08 pm

Quote from: ChadTower on February 08, 2006, 03:17:50 pm
but is it a format or just a marketing term for "you can download the whole mpg any time you want"?

I think it's just a marketing term, but I'm kind of grey and fuzzy on the whole concept too.

-S

An internet term like webinar.

PrizLucky · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:30:43 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 08, 2006, 03:27:28 pm

Quote from: PrizLucky on February 08, 2006, 03:04:11 pm
okay, so have you ever dreamed that you could download a bunch of amateur broadcasters who probably don't have thier real radio shows for a reason doing whatever it is that they want in their own amatuer radio show...
Leo Laporte is an amatuer? The Onion are amatuers?
NPR are amatuers? Hmmm, wouldn't think a radio station as being an amatuer

yeah, I was just trying (lame-ly apparently) to be a little humorous.. there are obviously some good 'casts out there.. like I said.. I'm just not motivated enough to hunt for one I'd actually listen too.. they fill a niche that I just don't need to scratch...

farmecologist · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:33:30 pm »

Hey SirPoonga,

I see you mentioned the "93X Half Ass Morning Show Stupid News". Interesting!

I listen to the "93X Half Ass Morning Show" every day on the way to work. So are you from the area ( Minneapolis, MN ) or do you just pick up the podcast?

SirPoonga · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:34:36 pm »

Oh, I forgot one, Major Nelson's podcast (Xbox Live Director of Programming).

SirPoonga · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2006, 03:35:09 pm »

Quote from: farmecologist on February 08, 2006, 03:33:30 pm

Hey SirPoonga,

I see you mentioned the "93X Half Ass Morning Show Stupid News". Interesting!

I listen to the "93X Half Ass Morning Show" every day on the way to work. So are you from the area ( Minneapolis, MN ) or do you just pick up the podcast?

I use to live in Minnetonka.
It isn't a podcast, it's a Bod-cast

farmecologist · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2006, 04:04:11 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 08, 2006, 03:35:09 pm

Quote from: farmecologist on February 08, 2006, 03:33:30 pm
Hey SirPoonga,

I see you mentioned the "93X Half Ass Morning Show Stupid News". Interesting!

I listen to the "93X Half Ass Morning Show" every day on the way to work. So are you from the area ( Minneapolis, MN ) or do you just pick up the podcast?

I use to live in Minnetonka.
It isn't a podcast, it's a Bod-cast

Ok, I'm from Rochester, MN...originally from the Twin Cities though.

Ya that's right..Bod-cast. Good 'ol 93X.

ChadTower · « **Reply #12 on:** February 08, 2006, 04:17:31 pm »

Thanks, SirPoonga. I actually had read that Wikipedia page but other than conceptually, it doesn't lay out the practical aspects of it.

Basically, from what you guys say, it's a full download of a show. Not a stream, which requires you to be connected, but an encapsulated download that you can then take places with you on a mobile device.

My best uses for this would be on my laptop or in the car for my mp3 enabled head unit (haha).

Are there other, nonIpod related software clients out there for the same type of sync functionality Sirpoonga mentioned his Ipod gives? If that were available, I could use it to sync my desktop, and then move stuff to my laptop or onto a CD for the car as I needed.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2006, 04:28:58 pm »

Software.
Obviously there is iTunes.
Doing a quick search
http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/index.php
http://www.ipodder.org/whatIsIpodder
http://www.nimiq.nl/
http://www.podcastingnews.com/topics/Podcast_Software.html

ChadTower · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2006, 04:56:35 pm »

Coolness. Thanks!

(it never occurred to me that iTunes would work without an iPod or on a PC, duh)

SirPoonga · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2006, 05:06:25 pm »

A little more of a technical note...

Most of those programs are just specialized RSS feeds. If you don't know what rss is it is basically an xml file that is constantly getting updated. Example, you can see an rss feed for this forum.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=.xml
Then you use something called an aggregator that will "subscribe" to the rss feeds. That software will check the feed for changes, new articles, etc...

A podcast is an mp3 file somewhere and a specifically formatted rss feed to tell podcast programs where to find the podcast. Hence why these programs can autodownload new podcasts, when the feed changes a new show is available.

Santoro · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2006, 05:54:51 pm »

I second This Week In Tech with Leo Laporte. Great podcast.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2006, 06:02:28 pm »

Yep, I listen/watch to all the old techtv people's shows. dl.tv is good.

indigital with some of the G4 hosts that where let go recently.

talking old techtv hosts. Here's a systm episode on podcasting.
http://revision3.com/systm/podcasting/

ChadTower · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2006, 09:27:24 am »

Yeah, I need to set up my home primary PC with an RSS client. I have never really done it because I don't actually use that PC more than 10 minutes at a time and I can't get RSS through my work firewall.

quarterback · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2006, 10:22:33 am »

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 08, 2006, 05:06:25 pm

A little more of a technical note...

A podcast is an mp3 file somewhere and a specifically formatted rss feed to tell podcast programs where to find the podcast.

So Poonga, do you know how to create a podcast? I, like others in this thread, haven't been able to wrap my brain around it even though I've read a number of pages about 'making your own podcast'. Part of the problem might be that I want to make one on my own PC for my use (no internet involved) and none of the pages I've found deal with it in that manner.

The reason I ask is because the iPod has an 'issue' (like a lot of mp3 players) that there's a brief pause between songs. This is an annoyance for continuous albums like stuff by Pink Floyd etc. A trick that I read on another forum said that you could get around this by creating a podcast that referenced the songs and when you played back your podcast on your iPod, there would be no gaps.

You know anything about this, whether or not it works and/or a quick and easy way to do it?
Thanks

ChadTower · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2006, 10:32:23 am »

Couldn't you just concatenate the mp3s so that they are all one album length mp3? There has to be editing software for that.

I don't have an iPod but I would think it would have a config setting for pause or no pause between files.

quarterback · « **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2006, 10:51:19 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on February 09, 2006, 10:32:23 am

Couldn't you just concatenate the mp3s so that they are all one album length mp3? There has to be editing software for that.

Yeah, but the beauty of this (supposed) solution is that each song is (apparantly) also a separate song. Or, if not a separate song (I'm not sure since I've never done it and haven't found anyone else who has besides the original post I read) the podcast 'setup' allows you to skip ahead song-by-song while the one-long-mp3 idea does not.

Quote

I don't have an iPod but I would think it would have a config setting for pause or no pause be tween files.

You'd think, for the cost of a freakin' iPod, that they'd put in a little hardware buffer that loads up the next mp3 before getting to the end of the preceeding one.... but no such luck. FWIW, a lot of other mp3 players reportedly have the exact same issue.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #22 on:** February 09, 2006, 11:24:23 am »

Quote from: quarterback on February 09, 2006, 10:51:19 am

Yeah, but the beauty of this (supposed) solution is that each song is (apparantly) also a separate song. Or, if not a separate song (I'm not sure since I've never done it and haven't found anyone else who has besides the original post I read) the podcast 'setup' allows you to skip ahead song-by-song while the one-long-mp3 idea does not.

I don't know if that would work, there isn't chaptering in podcasts.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #23 on:** February 09, 2006, 11:26:10 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on February 09, 2006, 09:27:24 am

Yeah, I need to set up my home primary PC with an RSS client. I have never really done it because I don't actually use that PC more than 10 minutes at a time and I can't get RSS through my work firewall.

Huh? It's web browsing. RSS is just an xml feed form a web browser. If you can surf the web you can rss.
Can you see this?
http://digg.com/rss/index.xml

If so that is the rss feed for digg.com. You rss agregator will jus tread that and look for new entries.

But not having time is exactly why I RSS. I RSS google news, digg, other news sites. I can skim throught he headlines to see if anything worth readings.

ChadTower · « **Reply #24 on:** February 09, 2006, 11:35:09 am »

I actually can't remember... I just remember trying it last fall and something about it wouldn't go through the firewall. It may have been certain filetypes coming through triggering proxy logins... I'll give it a shot again.

ChadTower · « **Reply #25 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:11:59 pm »

Yep, cilents won't go out through the proxy server. We just had three software guys working on it.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #26 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:25:24 pm »

Can you view the xml file above through your browser?

ChadTower · « **Reply #27 on:** February 09, 2006, 12:30:18 pm »

Yes, through the browser, but no RSS client could get through the proxy no matter how we set it.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #28 on:** February 09, 2006, 01:05:01 pm »

That's weird. Because the rss client uses the same link as above, so it's getting it through port 80 just like your browser.

ChadTower · « **Reply #29 on:** February 09, 2006, 01:08:42 pm »

Our proxy server uses 8080. I wouldn't be surprised if we actually have an altered IE as the browser. Security here is pretty paranoid.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #30 on:** February 09, 2006, 01:09:47 pm »

Yeah, that could be it. They might only allow certain apps to access the web.
Are you guys allowed to use firefox? I know there are rss extentions for that.

ChadTower · « **Reply #31 on:** February 09, 2006, 01:14:23 pm »

Yep, if I manually configure the proxy setting, I can get firefox through. Just tried it with Portable Firefox.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #32 on:** February 09, 2006, 01:26:59 pm »

I think 1.5 has an rss reader built in...

otherwise search mozilla's extension site
https://addons.mozilla.org
or this comes up in a google search
http://sage.mozdev.org/

ChadTower · « **Reply #33 on:** February 09, 2006, 01:31:39 pm »

Dammit. Can't use the addons site. Says that SSL is disabled... yet I CAN get into my bank's online banking site which would clearly have a lot more ssl in it than firefox's addon site.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #34 on:** February 09, 2006, 02:00:24 pm »

Wow, your work has some screwed up proxy

BoFH work there?

ChadTower · « **Reply #35 on:** February 09, 2006, 02:03:51 pm »

I'm trying to get up to Firefox 1.5 now... we'll see how that one works. Is there a Portable Firefox for 1.5 yet?

ChadTower · « **Reply #36 on:** February 09, 2006, 02:14:30 pm »

got the full 1.5 installed... looks like that SSL issue was with Portable Firefox. I can get updates/extensions now.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #37 on:** February 09, 2006, 02:16:25 pm »

Yeah, portable probably had to not do some stuff because of the portable nature.

ChadTower · « **Reply #38 on:** February 09, 2006, 02:30:52 pm »

It's working, at least for regular xml feeds. I added some from CNN and the one from Slashdot. They're coming through pretty well.

Now to try and figure out the podcast thing so I can just get it to sync the shows for me.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #39 on:** February 09, 2006, 02:39:23 pm »

If you are doing that from work do realize you'd be downloading mp3s which would definately show up in bandwidth usage. Granted many aren't that big as they are only encoded in 64bps (which is fine for speech only).

this extension says it supports podcasts
http://www.wizzcomputers.com/WizzRss.php

ChadTower · « **Reply #40 on:** February 09, 2006, 02:51:26 pm »

That's the extension I'm using... and I don't plan on downloading gigs of the stuff. Just a couple a day that I could pop into on a fairly regular basis. Not enough that would ever tweak a bandwidth meter.

ChadTower · « **Reply #41 on:** February 09, 2006, 03:57:45 pm »

Woo, I'm digging the RSS stuff. Set up one for ESPN NFL, a few news sites, just snagged RetroBlast's... cool.

Thanks for the help, SirPoonga. Much appreciated.

quarterback · « **Reply #42 on:** February 09, 2006, 09:02:12 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 09, 2006, 11:24:23 am

Quote from: quarterback on February 09, 2006, 10:51:19 am
Yeah, but the beauty of this (supposed) solution is that each song is (apparantly) also a separate song. Or, if not a separate song (I'm not sure since I've never done it and haven't found anyone else who has besides the original post I read) the podcast 'setup' allows you to skip ahead song-by-song while the one-long-mp3 idea does not.
I don't know if that would work, there isn't chaptering in podcasts.

I've finally found a reference (I can't remember if it's THE reference) to what I'm talking about. In this thread, the suggestion is to "Rip it from CD as one long track, then format it as a podcast with chapter points." the following posts in the thread seem to think that this is an ingenious idea.

This doesn't solve all the issues (because you're still stuck with one long-ass track) but if the chapter points work, then at least you'd be able to skip around to the next songs contained in the track.

My question is: Can anybody tell me how to format an mp3 as a podcast with chapter points and get it into my iPod?

SirPoonga · « **Reply #43 on:** February 10, 2006, 12:37:11 am »

Quote from: quarterback on February 09, 2006, 09:02:12 pm

My question is: Can anybody tell me how to format an mp3 as a podcast with chapter points and get it into my iPod?

That's what I am saying. I don't think mp3s have chaptering.

quarterback · « **Reply #44 on:** February 10, 2006, 03:00:03 am »

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 10, 2006, 12:37:11 am

Quote from: quarterback on February 09, 2006, 09:02:12 pm
My question is: Can anybody tell me how to format an mp3 as a podcast with chapter points and get it into my iPod?
That's what I am saying. I don't think mp3s have chaptering.

Okay, maybe not mp3, but AAC then. Podcasts must have the ability to have chapters because there's an "Apple Chapter Tool" specifically for this purpose. I guess I'll keep Googling and try to figure this all out.

ChadTower · « **Reply #45 on:** February 10, 2006, 09:14:39 am »

Quick nod:

Retroblast's RSS feed is sweet.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #46 on:** February 10, 2006, 10:11:21 am »

Quote from: quarterback on February 10, 2006, 03:00:03 am

Quote from: SirPoonga on February 10, 2006, 12:37:11 am
Quote from: quarterback on February 09, 2006, 09:02:12 pm
My question is: Can anybody tell me how to format an mp3 as a podcast with chapter points and get it into my iPod?
That's what I am saying. I don't think mp3s have chaptering.

Okay, maybe not mp3, but AAC then. Podcasts must have the ability to have chapters because there's an "Apple Chapter Tool" specifically for this purpose. I guess I'll keep Googling and try to figure this all out.

I could see that. THe audiobook format does have chapters I believe. .m4b files (actually .m4a file renamed so the ipod knows it is an audiobook).


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