XBOX 360 HDD missing 7 gigs

[Fig]

Hey Im missing about 7 gigs on my xbox hdd.
I havent downloaded anything and only have 1 profile made. I looked in my settings and I only have about 13 gigs free. Ive deleted all the videos too.
Anyone else missing some gigs?

[SirPoonga]

http://www.gamesradar.com/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=38284&subsectionid=2514

[versapak]

Wow...

What a complete crock of butt fudge.

They make the console so it obviously works without the harddrive, evident by the fact that they decided to release a version without it anyway. Then they sell it seperately as a 20gig hard drive, but take up 7 friggin gig?

I can understand the need for it, for backward compatibility and stuff, but what if I couldn't give a crap about BC. What if I NEVER plan on using that feature for the entire life of my 360. I still have to waste space for that garbage?

I love Xbox Live, and because of that MS has me locked in as a customer, but they have made so many crap decisions with the 360 (IMO obviously), that it really makes being a multiconsole owner worthwhile.

[Samstag]

Wow...

What a complete crock of butt fudge.

They make the console so it obviously works without the harddrive, evident by the fact that they decided to release a version without it anyway. Then they sell it seperately as a 20gig hard drive, but take up 7 friggin gig?

I can understand the need for it, for backward compatibility and stuff, but what if I couldn't give a crap about BC. What if I NEVER plan on using that feature for the entire life of my 360. I still have to waste space for that garbage?

I love Xbox Live, and because of that MS has me locked in as a customer, but they have made so many crap decisions with the 360 (IMO obviously), that it really makes being a multiconsole owner worthwhile.

I think you're completely missing the point of the space usage.

The caching of operating system and game files makes the thing run a heck of a lot faster than a 360 without a hard drive.  Moving this data to the hard drive is a good thing, although it'd be nice if you could configure it.  If I ever decide to buy a 360 I'll definitely go for the hard drive.  I hate waiting for my games to load.

[Fig]

Thanks SirPoonga for the link.
I guess I understand but I wish they would let the user know 
All and All Im very happy with my 360 and live 

[versapak]

Wow...

What a complete crock of butt fudge.

They make the console so it obviously works without the harddrive, evident by the fact that they decided to release a version without it anyway. Then they sell it seperately as a 20gig hard drive, but take up 7 friggin gig?

I can understand the need for it, for backward compatibility and stuff, but what if I couldn't give a crap about BC. What if I NEVER plan on using that feature for the entire life of my 360. I still have to waste space for that garbage?

I love Xbox Live, and because of that MS has me locked in as a customer, but they have made so many crap decisions with the 360 (IMO obviously), that it really makes being a multiconsole owner worthwhile.

I think you're completely missing the point of the space usage.

The caching of operating system and game files makes the thing run a heck of a lot faster than a 360 without a hard drive. Moving this data to the hard drive is a good thing, although it'd be nice if you could configure it. If I ever decide to buy a 360 I'll definitely go for the hard drive. I hate waiting for my games to load.

No

I know exactly what the usage is for.

I was for hard drives in all 360's so that that kind of usage would be standard across the board (game caching that is).


My only point was that they do not tell you this. That is complete crap, and 7 gigs is a ridiculous amount of space to whore without telling.

[SOAPboy]

Wow...

What a complete crock of butt fudge.

They make the console so it obviously works without the harddrive, evident by the fact that they decided to release a version without it anyway. Then they sell it seperately as a 20gig hard drive, but take up 7 friggin gig?

I can understand the need for it, for backward compatibility and stuff, but what if I couldn't give a crap about BC. What if I NEVER plan on using that feature for the entire life of my 360. I still have to waste space for that garbage?

I love Xbox Live, and because of that MS has me locked in as a customer, but they have made so many crap decisions with the 360 (IMO obviously), that it really makes being a multiconsole owner worthwhile.

I think you're completely missing the point of the space usage.

The caching of operating system and game files makes the thing run a heck of a lot faster than a 360 without a hard drive. Moving this data to the hard drive is a good thing, although it'd be nice if you could configure it. If I ever decide to buy a 360 I'll definitely go for the hard drive. I hate waiting for my games to load.

No

I know exactly what the usage is for.

I was for hard drives in all 360's so that that kind of usage would be standard across the board (game caching that is).


My only point was that they do not tell you this. That is complete crap, and 7 gigs is a ridiculous amount of space to whore without telling.

lol

Oh and like the first xbox didnt have the same deal.. Cry more..

[versapak]

lol

Oh and like the first xbox didnt have the same deal.. Cry more..

I'm not crying about it. I just have a whiny and negative posting style I guess.

I know exactly why it is used, and I understood that some of it would be, but 7GB is a pretty massive chunk.

As I said, I don't think I should have to give up any space for backward compatibility, if I never plan on using it, but oh well...

Just seems like they should advertise it as having 13GB of storage, instead of advertising it as 20GB, because one would not expect a system that works just fine without a HDD, to eat up that much once one is put in.

[SOAPboy]

28% of the drive is gone..

50% + on the normal xbox HD was gone..

 

[versapak]

28% of the drive is gone..

50% + on the normal xbox HD was gone..

 

The original Xbox was not advertised as having a certain amount of HD.

Sure it was widely known that there was an 8GB drive (whether the actual drive was capable of more or not), but it was not advertised as such.

Also, 50% was not what was taken. It was more like 35-40%. (Yes, I know the point is the same)

[SOAPboy]

28% of the drive is gone..

50% + on the normal xbox HD was gone..

 

The original Xbox was not advertised as having a certain amount of HD.

Sure it was widely known that there was an 8GB drive (whether the actual drive was capable of more or not), but it was not advertised as such.

Also, 50% was not what was taken. It was more like 35-40%. (Yes, I know the point is the same)

4.5 or w/e were free on mine.. so like 45% or w/e.. yes points still the same..

And regardless if they said "OMG LEET HAXORZ 400GIG HD INCLUDED" And only had 10gigs of free space, you STILL get that 400gig hard drive..

They didnt lie, and they never said "Your getting 20gigs of free hd space..

[versapak]

4.5 or w/e were free on mine.. so like 45% or w/e.. yes points still the same..

And regardless if they said "OMG LEET HAXORZ 400GIG HD INCLUDED" And only had 10gigs of free space, you STILL get that 400gig hard drive..

They didnt lie, and they never said "Your getting 20gigs of free hd space..

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that I am right and you are wrong.


Your opinion differs from mine, therefore your opinion can not be accepted. Tis all it boils down to really.

[SOAPboy]

4.5 or w/e were free on mine.. so like 45% or w/e.. yes points still the same..

And regardless if they said "OMG LEET HAXORZ 400GIG HD INCLUDED" And only had 10gigs of free space, you STILL get that 400gig hard drive..

They didnt lie, and they never said "Your getting 20gigs of free hd space..

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that I am right and you are wrong.


Your opinion differs from mine, therefore your opinion can not be accepted. Tis all it boils down to really.

Show me anywhere they said "20gig hard drive 100% free space" or anything close to that, and ill bow down and drop  the subject..

[versapak]

Show me anywhere they said "20gig hard drive 100% free space" or anything close to that, and ill bow down and drop the subject..

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/xbox360/powerplay.htm

Hard Drive
The elegantly styled hard drive is physically very small and detachable, but it still boasts a whopping 20 GB of space. The sheer amount of downloadable content that fits on such a hard drive is staggering, and now you can rip more music onto your hard drive and play your own tunes as a soundtrack in any Xbox 360 game.

I never stated once that they claimed that there was 100% free space available, but they most certainly do not imply that there is over a 3rd of it NOT available.

[Otraotaku]

lol

Oh and like the first xbox didnt have the same deal.. Cry more..

I'm not crying about it. I just have a whiny and negative posting style I guess.

I know exactly why it is used, and I understood that some of it would be, but 7GB is a pretty massive chunk.

As I said, I don't think I should have to give up any space for backward compatibility, if I never plan on using it, but oh well...

Just seems like they should advertise it as having 13GB of storage, instead of advertising it as 20GB, because one would not expect a system that works just fine without a HDD, to eat up that much once one is put in.

lmao...

[SOAPboy]

Show me anywhere they said "20gig hard drive 100% free space" or anything close to that, and ill bow down and drop the subject..

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/xbox360/powerplay.htm

Hard Drive
The elegantly styled hard drive is physically very small and detachable, but it still boasts a whopping 20 GB of space. The sheer amount of downloadable content that fits on such a hard drive is staggering, and now you can rip more music onto your hard drive and play your own tunes as a soundtrack in any Xbox 360 game.

I never stated once that they claimed that there was 100% free space available, but they most certainly do not imply that there is over a 3rd of it NOT available.

The elegantly styled hard drive is physically very small and detachable, but it still boasts a whopping 20 GB of space. The sheer amount of downloadable content that fits on such a hard drive is staggering, and now you can rip more music onto your hard drive and play your own tunes as a soundtrack in any Xbox 360 game.

it does not say "Free space" ect.. just says its "SIZE" is 20gigs.. :-P

[versapak]

it does not say "Free space" ect.. just says its "SIZE" is 20gigs.. :-P

What-the-freaky-monkey's-butt-ever




Whether you want to admit it or not, that clearly implies that there is 20GB of space for downloadable content, which is most definitely NOT the case.

I gave you plenty of "close to that" right there, but clearly you are like me. There will be no dropping of this subject till us board junkies find another thread to get our fix in. 

[SOAPboy]

it does not say "Free space" ect.. just says its "SIZE" is 20gigs.. :-P

What-the-freaky-monkey's-butt-ever




Whether you want to admit it or not, that clearly implies that there is 20GB of space for downloadable content, which is most definitely NOT the case.

I gave you plenty of "close to that" right there, but clearly you are like me. There will be no dropping of this subject till us board junkies find another thread to get our fix in.

[M3talhead]

Actually, I've been stealing the 7GB from every XBox 360 since they were released. I'm beginning to piece the space back together in a old shoebox and plan on creating the largest pr0n archive in the world! 

[Harry Potter]

Just seems like they should advertise it as having 13GB of storage, instead of advertising it as 20GB, ...

Same argument could be used for the sale of standard hard drives.
A 200Gig drive is in effect a 180-190Gig drive after formatting.

They only do it to make it sound bigger and better.

The OS cache on the disk is therefore only 5 gig because of the lost 10% (2Gig) when formatted.

[elvis]

Same argument could be used for the sale of standard hard drives.
A 200Gig drive is in effect a 180-190Gig drive after formatting.

No, that's different.

Hard drives are marketed in bytes, and there are 1024 bytes in a kilobyte, 1024 kilobytes in a megabyte, and so on.  For example, using a "200GB hard disk":

200,000,000,000 bytes / 1024 = 195312500 kilobytes
195312500 KB /1024 = 190734.86 MB
190734.86 MB /1024 =  186.26 GB.

Simlpe maths.  No smoke and mirrors there, and there very little lost to "formatting" (as in: less than half a megabyte, which is nothing when talking gigabytes). 

As for the XBox360, from the article:

"2GB is reserved to increase overall system functionality, including things like the Xbox emulator - to enable backwards compatibility - and console and title updates, to allow for continued innovation and expansion."
"This leaves 1GB for the machine's operating system itself."

What the hell?  2GB for an emulator? 1GB just for a console OS???  Talk about bloat!

Typical Microsoft I guess.  Crap programming at it's worst.  Perhaps they should have pinched a few oldschool quality Japanese programmers to show them exactly how much you *USED* to be able to squeeze into 64KB.

[shmokes]

Soapboy is just a corporate tool.  If MS or Sony tell him that what he wants is to have a chunk of cinder block shoved up his backside he'll bend over.  Any time you suggest that they are doing anything other than altruistically providing us with love he runs to their defense.  It's obvious to anyone who's not a complete retard that MS deliberately leads their customers to believe that the drive has 20GB of space that can be filled with downloadable content or ripped music.  If anyone doesn't bend over and take it with a smile he assumes that they must just be cheap, when in reality some people are just more aware than others when someone is trying to anally rape them.   

Quote from official Xbox website:

The elegantly styled hard drive is physically very small and detachable, but it still boasts a whopping 20 GB of space. The sheer amount of downloadable content that fits on such a hard drive is staggering, and now you can rip more music onto your hard drive and play your own tunes as a soundtrack in any Xbox 360 game.

[SirPoonga]

What the hell?  2GB for an emulator? 1GB just for a console OS???  Talk about bloat!

For expansion.  As more xbox games become emulated they need space for it.

My assumption on the 1gig for console os is for caching game data.  Since DVD-DL is over 8gig 1 gig for caching is decent.

[versapak]

What the hell? 2GB for an emulator? 1GB just for a console OS??? Talk about bloat!

For expansion. As more xbox games become emulated they need space for it.

2 gigs of space?

I have never seen any emulator require anywhere near that much space. I guess MS is going for records with the 360.

We aren't talking emulator + "roms" here.


As for OS...

Ummmmm...

Yeah...

Why is it that a 360 runs just fine without a hard drive, if it needs 1 gig of space on a hard drive?

[SirPoonga]

2 gigs of space?

I have never seen any emulator require anywhere near that much space. I guess MS is going for records with the 360.

We aren't talking emulator + "roms" here.

But we are talking emulator and modules, as games are supported on a per game basis.  Who knows.
Note that 2gig is quotes to not be space ONLY for the emulator.
""2GB is reserved to increase overall system functionality, including things like the Xbox emulator - to enable backwards compatibility - and console and title updates, to allow for continued innovation and expansion.""

Why is it that a 360 runs just fine without a hard drive, if it needs 1 gig of space on a hard drive?

Right, but I believe M$ said with the HD games can cache to it and run more efficiently.
Plus the article said "that leave" which makes me think that is a guess for it's use.

I'm also going to guesssome of that space is for xbox live downloads, like live arcade.

[Harry Potter]

Same argument could be used for the sale of standard hard drives.
A 200Gig drive is in effect a 180-190Gig drive after formatting.

Hard drives are marketed in bytes, and there are 1024 bytes in a kilobyte, 1024 kilobytes in a megabyte, and so on.  For example, using a "200GB hard disk":

200,000,000,000 bytes / 1024 = 195312500 kilobytes
195312500 KB /1024 = 190734.86 MB
190734.86 MB /1024 =  186.26 GB.

Much more elegant than what I said. 

[SOAPboy]

Soapboy is just a corporate tool.

[shmokes]

No...we all understand why it's missing space.  You just don't care when you get shafted and we do.  I'd think much more of you if you didn't understand why it was missing space.  The fact that you do, and approve, just points to being a tool.

[elvis]

What the hell?  2GB for an emulator? 1GB just for a console OS???  Talk about bloat!

For expansion.  As more xbox games become emulated they need space for it.

My assumption on the 1gig for console os is for caching game data.  Since DVD-DL is over 8gig 1 gig for caching is decent.

"Expansion" is a nice term for "we don't know what the hell will be here in the future".  See the SNES/SFC "expansion" ports.

3GB is still a shitload of space for an extremely unimpressive system.  MS can justify it all they like, but it's still bloat.  All that wonderful hardware, and they can only hire monkeys for programmers.

[SOAPboy]

No...we all understand why it's missing space.

[shmokes]

Can I interest anyone in a $100 13-GB hard drive

Anal rape?

[versapak]

Can I interest anyone in a $100 13-GB hard drive

Anal rape?

Well...

He does go by the nick SOAPboy.

Add a little "drop the" before that, and it all makes a little more sense.

[shmokes]

Brilliant.  It explalins so much.

[SOAPboy]

Can I interest anyone in a $100 13-GB hard drive

Anal rape?

Well...

He does go by the nick SOAPboy.

Add a little "drop the" before that, and it all makes a little more sense.

www.soapshoes.com

Again, close minded morons..

[versapak]

Can I interest anyone in a $100 13-GB hard drive

Anal rape?

Well...

He does go by the nick SOAPboy.

Add a little "drop the" before that, and it all makes a little more sense.

www.soapshoes.com

Again, close minded morons..

Yep...

Right...

 


While were at it...

I have never seen you before, but your nose is too big.

I have never heard you before, but your high pitched voice could shatter windows.


Take stuff a little to literal/personal much?

[SOAPboy]

Can I interest anyone in a $100 13-GB hard drive

Anal rape?

Well...

He does go by the nick SOAPboy.

Add a little "drop the" before that, and it all makes a little more sense.

www.soapshoes.com

Again, close minded morons..

Yep...

Right...

 


While were at it...

I have never seen you before, but your nose is too big.

I have never heard you before, but your high pitched voice could shatter windows.


Take stuff a little to literal/personal much?

Nope, but it seems most retards, close minded idiots, and homophobes tend to use the "drop the soap" joke..

Its old, and honestly, unfunny..

[shmokes]

Heh...I know this is hard, SOPboy, but try to follow along....

You don't mind getting ripped off, which is commonly referred to in slang as being anally raped, bent over, etc. 

I pointed out repeatedly how this particular deal is akin to being bent over, so to speak.....

Anal rape is quite common in maximum security prisons, which is where the "don't drop the soap" joke comes from. 

The "don't drop the soap" joke refers to prison, not the Castro.  It doesn't refer to gays in prison....it refers to rapists in prison.

After repeatedly showing that you don't mind being raped, Versapak busted out the soap joke, not to suggest you are gay, but suggesting that you don't mind, and might possibly enjoy uninvited violence to your backside.

Buying a 20 GB hard drive,  but only being able to access 13 GB of it is much like uninvited violence in the rectal area.  Paying $100 for it is like the above but minus the Astroglide^(TM)

[SOAPboy]

Heh...I know this is hard, SOPboy, but try to follow along....

You don't mind getting ripped off, which is commonly referred to in slang as being anally raped, bent over, etc.

[shmokes]

No, seriously SOPboy......I do get it.  I really really do.  We all do.  In fact, it's been spelled out right in this very thread.  MS advertises that there's 20 GB of space to download content from LIVE or rip music too, when in reality they've filled up nearly half of it with their own ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. 

I get it.  It'd be fine if they said, "Comes with a 20GB drive preloaded with system optimizations, but with over half of that space available to the user!"  It would be a little on the exhorbitant side price-wise, but it would at least be ethical. 

The fact that a fraction of 1% of gamers -- only the hardcore geeks -- know what's taking up nearly half the space MS claims is available doesn't erase the fact that they are deliberately misleading and ripping everyone off.

What the hell, it's like going to a gas station and pumping 20 gallons of gasoline only to have the attendant siphon 7 gallons back into his tank. 

If you're SOPboy you'd just say, "They're using the gas they siphon back from me in their generators which power the slot machines inside the store, so really I'm not getting ripped off cos the slot machines benefit me.  And plus, even though 99% of people think their getting 20 gallons of gas, I know I'm only getting 13 and I know exactly what they're doing with the rest of the gas I paid for, so how are they ripping anyone off?"

MS owns you.

[ChadTower]

They are lying anyway... most of that space is probably reserved for future advertising methods.

[TalkingOctopus]

I really don't understand the huge surprise.

[versapak]

Ummmmm


I thought we had been pretty clear.

There is no misunderstanding as to why or  for what the space is being used.

There is just the complaint is that MS is advertising that you would have that 20GB of space for your live content and custom soundtracks, when in fact you will not have anywhere near that.

Also, I complain that it is not user configurable (I shouldn't have to devote space to emulation, if I have no plans on ever even using it).

[ChadTower]

I complain that it always seems to come with onions.  Why can't they be like Burger King and give it My Way?