Network problems

[jam92102]

Hi everyone!

[Jabba]

I thought that routers were usually set to 192.168.1.1.

Type this inth your web browser and and see if that bring up the Admin page of your router. If this does, then the user name is usually blank and the password is admin. At least that is if it hasn't been changed before....

[DemonBrew]

If the router in question is one you immediately connect, do the following on your own laptop:

At a command prompt, type:  ipconfig

and look at the Default Gateway. That should be your next "hop". Use that address in your web browser to configure it.

If the router in question is NOT what you immediately connect to, do the following:

At a command prompt, type: tracert yahoo.com

This will show a series of "hops" from your laptop all the way to yahoo.com. Hop #1 and hop #2 should be your own equipment (based on your description). Use that IP address as your router configuration in a web browser.

Definition: "immediately connect to" means the following:
your laptop--->***router to change***---->other routers and junk---->internet

It doesn't mean you have to be hard wired to the router.

[jam92102]

Thanks for the replies.  Well I tried the tracert thing but neither address I received worked.  Let me make sure I'm explaining this right cuz I'm not too good at that sometimes.  Here is my setup


cable modem --------->Wireless Router------->Wireless card on laptop
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                                      Wired Vonage router

I am needing the ip address of the wired vonage router.  I tried entering in the ip address in its manual but it doesn't bring it up (I'm assuming because it's hooked to another router)  Thanks for all the help I can appreciate anymore you all can give

[DemonBrew]

I am needing the ip address of the wired vonage router.  I tried entering in the ip address in its manual but it doesn't bring it up (I'm assuming because it's hooked to another router)  Thanks for all the help I can appreciate anymore you all can give

Ping, tracert, etc may not work. The router might be blocking or dropping those packets.

After looking at your diagram, I'm scratching my head. If you have a wired router, you *should* be connected to two things. That's what a router does, routes between two separate networks. Your drawing makes it looks like it's just sitting all by itself. Are you sure you didn't mean:

cable modem--->wired Vonage--->wireless router---> laptop    ?

Regardless, you could try the following:

Hard wire a pc (laptop, desktop) to the LAN side of the router you want to mess with. If you have DHCP server and client configured (automatic IP address allocation) you *should* get an IP address from the wired router, and can then do the IPCONFIG and connect to the Default Gateway IP address. (try IPCONFIG /release and then IPCONFIG /renew to clear any previous IP address settings)

Just make sure the only network connection comes between the wired router and the pc (turn off the wireless card so you're not picking up other signals).

OR......

If the Vonage router is being used for the Vonage phone service, then your diagram might actually be correct. In that case, you can still do the hard wire connection, DHCP IP address, IPCONFIG and connect to the Default Gateway thingy I mentioned above.

If that is the case, I would venture to say you don't really need a router sitting there. What you need is just a VoIP Phone Adapter like a Linksys PAP2. But, that's a whole other mess to get yourself into.....

[ChadTower]

He needs to turn off everything in the wireless router except Wireless Access point.  If he tries to run DHCP, port forwarding, or antying at all like that on both routers, his network will not work.

Go into the gui for the wireless router, find the option to use as wireless access point only, and enable that.  Then all you have is a wireless router, and from then, make sure you set the wireless router's IP to something unique on your LAN.

Say, if your wired router is 192.168.1.1, set the IP for the wireless router to 192.168.1.2.  Then, to make it better, you could go into the wired router and set your DHCP pool so that it no longer includes 192.168.1.2, or you could tie 192.168.1.2 to the specific MAC address of the wireless router.

[DemonBrew]

He needs to turn off everything in the wireless router except Wireless Access point.  If he tries to run DHCP, port forwarding, or antying at all like that on both routers, his network will not work.

Good idea, but hard to tell from his diagram. Assuming his drawing is correct, maybe the wireless router has three interfaces. Maybe the wired only has two interfaces. In that case, I would suggest leaving it the way it is - LAN, WAN, and DMZ. Put the Vonage service on it's own IP subnet., for security reasons mostly. Separate it from the normal traffic. Maybe the VoIP traffic is on a 172.18.1.1 /24 and the network LAN is on a 192.168.1.1 /24. Only have DHCP, port forwarding, etc on the "wireless router" and leave the "wired router" real basic.

jam92102: What are the makes and models of the routers in question? How many ports do you see on each? and how are they labeled? (LAN, WAN, DMZ, 1, 2, 3, 4)?

Without getting too complicated, you have a load of options.

But, I guess this all goes back to the original question: what are you using this network(s) for? You mentioned opening UDP ports. Which ones? What's the source and destination? Maybe you don't need the wireless router to act as a router as Chad suggests?

[ChadTower]

If he starts trying to set up subnets, his head is going to explode and he'll wet his pants.

Sounds to me like he just wants a wireless access point in his house and didn't ask with the proper terminology.

[DemonBrew]

Good point. Leave it to me over-engineer the whole thing.