PSP 2.0 WEB BROWSER

[MameMaster!]

....well I just upgraded to the 2.0 software....really neat!...the web is kinda' like dial up but it looks super supersharp and easy to navigate.

No flash for now...but you can download videos from the web...but it takes some configuring of your memory stick.

Here's a link for anyone who's missed it--

http://www.us.playstation.com/psp.aspx?id=softwareupdate


....and yes....now I can't have mame on my PSP......but I'm OK with that....life goes on!

MameMaster!

[shmokes]

It seems like you gave up a whole hell of a lot for a web experience you compare to dial-up without flash support.

[DYNAGOD]

and ceretainly not worth not being able to run homebrew apps anymore.
if i want to surf the web, ill  hop on my PC.
if i want to play SNES, Genesis,PCengine,MAME etc ill play my psp and keep it at 1.5

[TOK]

Mistake. 

[Edgedamage]

geez do we really need MAMEtm on every piece of electronic equipment? It's this kind of hacking that killed the dreamcast so early in it's lifecycle. These constant updates keep the big name developers happy. Happy developers=more psp titles

[versapak]

I'd personally MUCH rather have a portable Atari/NES/SNES/Genesis/MAME/etc... than an updated crappy web browser or any current retail games actually.

[MameMaster!]

geez do we really need MAMEtm on every piece of electronic equipment? It's this kind of hacking that killed the dreamcast so early in it's lifecycle. These constant updates keep the big name developers happy. Happy developers=more psp titles

I agree.....I have so many emulators on my PC, my GBA, my DC, my XBox.....and of course my 2 arcade machines.....I just want 1 piece of tech to have the "latest and greatest" software that's available on it!.....and I like my new web browser on my PSP because now I can bring it on my vactions and still have basic email access w/o a PC!

[Edgedamage]

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[DYNAGOD]

i spend more time playing sega games genesis games on my psp than i do any of the PSP UMD titles that i doled out 40 dollars for..i played NFS and ridge racer for about 3 hours and they've been sitting in the box collecting dust ever since despite their incredible 9.7 out of 10 gamespot status..
i played them and enjoyed them,but like most modern games i quickly lost interest..whereas i can choose from hundreds, if not thousands of titles on the older consoles that have more longevity and entertainment value to me.
If having a web browser is critical to you on the go, then its exactly what you need! but personally for me, having a vastly larger selection of games on the road is more important to me.plus i can only realisticly afford maybe one UMD a month,used at that..that gets stale pretty quick..ill never have the time to play all the games available via emulation..

[Goz]

There is a web browser available for units with 1.5 software.  And without using Wipeout,,,

[DYNAGOD]

There is a web browser available for units with 1.5 software.  And without using Wipeout,,,

yea but its all japanese and nothing to write home about..
still for simple email access i guess its more than sufficient if a hot spot is available.

[Edgedamage]

Well for me it boils down to this. With my oldest son turning 5 I can't begin to teach him right from wrong when I have a console full of software I don't own.

[DYNAGOD]

Well for me it boils down to this. With my oldest son turning 5 I can't begin to teach him right from wrong when I have a console full of software I don't own.

PLEASE, spare me..

[Edgedamage]

Hate to break the news to you I got rid of all my roms I don't own. Hence the sale of all my mame related hardware. Only thing I have is my stargate marquee and overlay and board set. And my video poker machine. So I do practice what I preach.
Piracy is not a right like too many people think it is.

[DYNAGOD]

whoever banned him, thank you. 

[pointdablame]

whoever banned him, thank you. 

I'm pretty sure he just wrote that himself.

[divemaster127]

I agree I have my mame system already i love 2.0 update,
divemaster

[Edgedamage]

whoever banned him, thank you.

[MameMaster!]

whoever banned him, thank you.

[shmokes]

It's this kind of hacking that killed the dreamcast so early in it's lifecycle.

What are you smoking?  By the way, latest and greatest are two separate words.  Being the latest does not make something the greatest.  Look at Windows ME.

[Edgedamage]

When hackers found how to boot the dreamcast with cdr's Sega had to kill the dreamcast. Bet that made lots of owners really happy to see their favorite system killed by people too cheap to buy the games.

[Goz]

When hackers found how to boot the dreamcast with cdr's Sega had to kill the dreamcast. Bet that made lots of owners really happy to see their favorite system killed by people too cheap to buy the games.

Dreamcast is not dead

New games are still being released for this dead platform in Japan 

[DYNAGOD]

theres tons of great games being released for dreamcast!
its just that the us market doesnt exist for them..shmups are dead over here.
ill sleep well tonite knowing that im single handedly responsible for the collapse of the video game market..
thats why its a 70 billion a year industry...i dont think anyones been put to the curb becuase im playing games from dead consoles on my psp..

[Edgedamage]

theres tons of great games being released for dreamcast!
its just that the us market doesnt exist for them..shmups are dead over here.
ill sleep well tonite knowing that im single handedly responsible for the collapse of the video game market..
thats why its a 70 billion a year industry...i dont think anyones been put to the curb becuase im playing games from dead consoles on my psp..

He He I was just having fun with you guys I have eums up the yin yang like everyone else here. But what annyoys me is how a console gets marks aganst it if mame can't run on it. Do we really need to play galaga on everything???

[MameMaster!]

....wow my innocent little thread almost took a dark dark turn.... 

I'm glad we're all friends again. 

[versapak]

It is just that the PSP is such a perfect device for doing such things.


To have that ability, and then give it up, is just all kinds of wacky to me.


Obviously you are to do what YOU want with your own device, but there is no way in hello that I would move to 2.0 and give up the emulation.

Especially since arcade games, specifically, were made to pick up and play on a whim anywhere. They are perfect for a handheld system on the go, as are MANY of the 16 bit era games.

[DYNAGOD]

the psp is one of the greatest, if not the best platforms for emulation since its inception. its button layout, screen ,portability, its just a great vehicle for it..
 people who do want to run mame on like their Ipods and the such are definetly taking it to far, but the psp is different in that its truly a gaming platform.
i guess the problem is that no ones been able to make games as good as galaga and the lot..those games just had something thats lacking in todays game design mantra..
despite having bleeding edge hardware and hi def screens, the content of these new consoles themselves is,despite being visually jawdropping ultimately boring.
ill take galaga over NFS anyday..

[Edgedamage]

 What sony should do is release software that allows you to download an original ps1 game that you own onto the memory card. That would be the must have for the system.

[DYNAGOD]

What sony should do is release software that allows you to download an original ps1 game that you own onto the memory card. That would be the must have for the system.

i think they should just port some classic ps1 games over ,like a 5 pack on one UMD.id like to see loaded, driver,star gladiator, battle arena toshinden,maybe some old tomb raider..that woule be great
a great way to turn that old software back into viable revenue again. as of now that stuff brings them no profit.
theres such a huge profit potential in the past. modern games just pump more and more money into game development ,but fail miserbaly despite the high production values in game design.. simple is better sometimes.

[Edgedamage]

What sony should do is release software that allows you to download an original ps1 game that you own onto the memory card. That would be the must have for the system.

i think they should just port some classic ps1 games over ,like a 5 pack on one UMD.id like to see loaded, driver,star gladiator, battle arena toshinden,maybe some old tomb raider..that woule be great
a great way to turn that old software back into viable revenue again. as of now that stuff brings them no profit.
theres such a huge profit potential in the past. modern games just pump more and more money into game development ,but fail miserbaly despite the high production values in game design.. simple is better sometimes.

Whew and I thought only I felt that way.

[TOK]

Whew and I thought only I felt that way.

You thought you were the only one that felt that way on a board who's core is founded on playing 10 to 15 year old arcade games?

I think you'd be alone if you DIDN'T feel that way. 

[dan57fina]

i upgraded....nothing ran at full speed in 1.5....is it just me or is playing old school games at a slow speed on a new system kind of pointless? im all for emulation but surfing the net on that little screen is just plain fun......plus think about the wardriving options

[DYNAGOD]

nothing ran at full speed in 1.5....is it just me or is playing old school games at a slow speed on a new system kind of pointless?

you must have a defective unit with a bad core..
the only thing that doesnt run at full speed is SNES,MAME and atari..and even snes can be made to be doable with processor throttling and frameskip.
all the other emulators run at or near 100%
so that leaves

Atari Lynx : HANDY-PSP v0.1
Sega Genesis : Dgen psp v 0.90
fMSX : FMSX v 0.62
PC Engine : HuE v 0.6 b
Neo Geo CD : Neocdpsp-05
NES : NesterJ v1.07
Neo Geo Pocket/Color : Ngpsp_v1.2.1
Amiga 500 : Pspuae v 0.31 kbd1
Wonderswan color : PSwan v007
Gameboy/GBC : RIN v1.32
ScummVM : Scummvm psp beta4
Sega Master System/Gamegear : SMS PSP v.04

[TOK]

i upgraded....nothing ran at full speed in 1.5....is it just me or is playing old school games at a slow speed on a new system kind of pointless? im all for emulation but surfing the net on that little screen is just plain fun......plus think about the wardriving options

MAME is pretty beat. It was the first emulator I installed, and now the one I use the least. Even a lot of the older games that run at the correct video speed have messed up sound. It only does the most basic of games well.

The NES and Genesis emulation is where I think it shines.

[psik0tik]

Theyll make homebrew for 2.0 theyve already started.

[Goz]

exactly... the only thing MM has given up is the current ability to play with the emulators and backup images. cracking 2.0 will happen....

-Goz

[pointdablame]

cracking 2.0 will happen....

-Goz

It always does

[Tahnok]

Yeah, but it may get more complicated. If Sony keeps trying to keep hackers out with new updates, it may come to a mod chip.

[shmokes]

i guess the problem is that no ones been able to make games as good as galaga and the lot..those games just had something thats lacking in todays game design mantra..
despite having bleeding edge hardware and hi def screens, the content of these new consoles themselves is,despite being visually jawdropping ultimately boring.
ill take galaga over NFS anyday..

That's utter nonsense.  I hear that crap all the time.  First, it doesn't even make sense to compare Galaga and NFS.  They're too different types of games.  How about comparing Pole Position or Outrun to NFS.  Better yet, compare them to Burnout 3 or Gran Turismo or Nascar.  Galaga is a wonderful game, but it can't hold a candle to Ikaruga or Descent or Crimson Skies or X-Wing or Wing Commander.

I don't know.  I mean, I love old games.  If I didn't I sure as hell wouldn't be willing to invest so bloody much time and money into making an arcade cabinet.  But seriously, have you ever played Grim Fandango (or any other Tim Schafer game)?  Legend of Zelda?  Super Mario 64?  Grand Theft Auto?  Star Fox?  Tony Hawk?  Madden?  Metriod?  Resident Evil 4?  Splinter Cell?  I could put 50 games on that list without even stopping for breath.  Hell, I just noticed that there isn't a single FPS on there.  Half Life, anyone?

Games are better now than they were then. 

[TOK]

While the new games are much more technically impressive, they seem to be suffering from the same problem as movies... As they get more expensive to make, the people making them get less willing to take chances.

I wasn't as impressed by Half Life 2 as the magazines. It looked great, and gave the impression of vastness with big landscapes, but as soon as you tried to do something the designers hadn't intended, it was obvious you were being herded down "tunnel" just like in the 500 FPS's that came before it.

There are a lot of ripoffs in the old games too, but most of the breakthrough titles were extremely original. I guess since from now on games will always be designed by a committee instead of an individual, we're going to be stuck with mostly derivitive games, just like we're stuck with derivative movies.

The oldies have something for me that works for my situation... time.
I have a young kid, and don't have 2 hour blocks of time to sit playing games very often for now. A 15 minute game of Robotron on the cabinet works out great. The PSP also now gives me the chance to do the same thing while not tying me down to the room with the cabinet. I've been playing Untold Legends, but its a real time burglar.

[shmokes]

Y'all aren't being fair to new games.  It's like people who contend that no new music can compare to the days of classic rock.  But the classic rock station is just like a top 40's station.  It plays the same breakout songs all the time and, in spite of a classic rock station encompassing about 20 years-worth of rock and roll, you often will here the same song on the radio two or three times in the same day.  Whereas a top 40's station playing modern music plays the top 40 songs of the year so they have a much smaller pool of music to draw from.  It's the same with videogames.  You've got a couple thousand ROMS on your cabinet, but you only play a tiny, itsy bitsy fraction of those and then judge the first twenty years of videogames based only on that tiny sample of the cream of the crop.  The rest, which you seem to ignore when talking about games from that time period, are.......you guessed it.......completely derivative drek.

Most games, even great games, are derivative.  This is true today and in the past, but every now and then you do get something totally different.  Even Galaga is a derivative of Space Invaders.  It just vastly improved on the formula.  It's the same today.  Half-Life was a breakthrough game that changed the FPS forever, but it was a derivative of Doom and Wolfenstein 3D.

Now, just as in the past, we get totally new concepts like Parappa the Rapper or The Sims or Metal Gear Solid or Tetris or Super Mario 64 (this one was a revolution in game design) or Dance Dance Revolution.  And, just as in the past, the market is filled mostly with derivatives -- some great, but mostly drivel.  Seriously, look through your Mame ROMS and tell me that the design mantra was different then than it is today.  95% or more of the games in MAME are effectively unplayable they are so bad. 

The Ms. Pac-Mans and Smash TVs and Donkey Kong Jr.s and 1943s were the exception to the rule, they are not representative of anything like the majority of games that were being produced at the time.  Oh....whoops....those games are all derivatives.

[Edgedamage]

I think developers want to try to make diffrent games. But the publishers won't go out on a limb they want to go the tried and true method. I read someware developers show the publisher the storyboards if they like it they fund it. I would love to see games that try to break new ground.

[shmokes]

What's funny is this just boils down to the fact that everyone here is aging.  We were playing games in the 80's (and the 70's for some of us, but not me), and now we are becoming our parents and grandparents and talking about "back in the good old days before all this newfangled....why, kids these days.....those wippersnappers wouldn't know a good videogame...dagnabbit!"

[DYNAGOD]

its basically a matter of longevity.
i have all the latest and greatest FPS's , and i even run a clan site for battlefield 2 (wolfpackunit.com) so im certainly not "out of the loop" and im very much in a position to make such a distinction between the two eras as ive been quite active in both.
the lifespan of a modern game is typically measured in weeks, seldom months and in only the rarestest of instances a years..