Bush Fires Rove, Names Novak to White House Post

[DrewKaree]

(2005-07-15) -- President George Bush today fired longtime friend and political wizard Karl Rove, the embattled White House deputy chief of staff at the center of the most devastating scandal to engulf a presidency in the history of the republic.

In the same news conference, the president announced that he would replace Mr. Rove with columnist Robert Novak, who broke the story that Valerie Plame was a famous covert CIA 'operative'.

"Bob Novak knows what's going on in Washington better than his predecessor did," said Mr. Bush. "He's the one who told Karl that Ambassador Joe Wilson's wife was a spy. People talk to Novak. He's a regular Oprah Winfrey."

Mr. Bush also said he "admires the resilience of the scrappy columnist."

"This Plame thing has got one reporter in jail, another turning state's evidence and Karl Rove spilling his guts three times before the grand jury," said Mr. Bush, "but not Bob Novak. He's a Chevy truck -- like a rock. He's the one who lit the fire. He's not talking, but he's still walking. I'm going to have him spray some of that Teflon on the White House."

In related news, an unnamed source close to the prosecutor's office said the Bush administration coverup of the Rove scandal continues.

"The president's team is quite clever," said the anonymous source. "They're trying to bury us in information by giving us all that we've requested -- documents, testimony...everything. The fact that the White House is not being secretive with the grand jury or the prosecutor is the main evidence of criminal activity."





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Dexter, has your "unbiased media" reported THIS too, or KKKan't they go after any more sKKKoops to help you sort things out?

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Nice to see that you take the outing of a CIA agent for political retribution so seriously. I didn't expect any less from you though, being a Bush guy.

Dexter, has your "unbiased media" reported THIS too...

Aw, poor Dubya...the media is always out to get him. Especially when he's lying.

[DrewKaree]

Nice to see that you take the outing of a CIA agent for political retribution so seriously. I didn't expect any less from you though, being a Bush guy.

Nice to see you are following the story as it unfolds and reporting it seriously, rather than using it for political retribution.

Dexter, has your "unbiased media" reported THIS too...

Aw, poor Dubya...the media is always out to get him. Especially when he's lying.

Aw, poor MrC...can't see this ISN'T something "Dubya" did, but is willing to pin it on him anyway.  *cough*political hack who can't stand it*cough*  Whew!  I should see a doctor for that cold!

Nice to see the actual unvarnished partisan politcal viewpoint demonstrated - esepcially since you AREN'T lying in your attempt to pin anything you can on Bush.

Oh, and try to be a little less of a Nancy when ChadT pees on your jokes.  When you do it to me, it only makes you look silly.  Your hypocrisy is showing.

Dems are falling all over themselves to distance themselves from this story and their comments, but go right ahead, you keep pushing the issue.  I'm sure THEY are less informed about how this story is truly shaking out than someone like you, who has "the REAL story"

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Nice to see you are following the story as it unfolds and reporting it seriously, rather than using it for political retribution.

Join the other thread...I think I've been pretty fair, straight-forward with little commentary and I've kept it up-to-date. I even requested the title change for Karl's name since I didn't think it was appropriate.

Aw, poor MrC...can't see this ISN'T something "Dubya" did, but is willing to pin it on him anyway.

You really believe that Mr. "I want to get to the bottom of this" Bush DID NOT KNOW that his right-hand man was the leaker? Honestly? Maybe Bush could help OJ look for the killer, too!

Dems are falling all over themselves to distance themselves from this story and their comments, but go right ahead, you keep pushing the issue.

That's the GREAT thing about this story...it absolutely, positively, DOES NOT MATTER what the Dems do, or what the GOP does. Nor do I care. It doesn't matter what CNN or FOX does, or doesn't, report. It doesn't matter how many 'rolly-eyes' smilies you include in your posts...there is a federal grand jury convening, and a hard-nosed federal prosecutor looking into this whole thing. He's obviously on to something big, or he would have closed this case a long time ago.

Just like everyone else, I'm in full speculation mode until indictments come down, if they do.

Nice to see you are following the story as it unfolds and reporting it seriously, rather than using it for political retribution.

Like you care anyhow. It seems you are comfortable just ignoring whatever makes the Bush admin look bad. For example, none of you Bush cronies have even bothered to post in the original Rove thread, which amuses me to no end, actually. I'd be more than happy to discuss this seriously with you, if you want? Really, I'm a partisan lefty, so I have my own interest in this story, just as I'm sure you do. But I think it's important enough to discuss in a civil manner. Unless, you totally think it's a "non-story." Which, again, won't matter to the prosecutor.

Nice to see the actual unvarnished partisan politcal viewpoint demonstrated - esepcially since you AREN'T lying in your attempt to pin anything you can on Bush.

Drew, you've really got to move beyond this. I no longer expect you to have an 'unvarnished non-partisan' view any more than I could manage one myself. We can be honest though, and as realistic as possible. We're both biased a little in our own direction, but there are facts here, and there are opinions.


mrC

[DrewKaree]

Join the other thread...I think I've been pretty fair, straight-forward with little commentary and I've kept it up-to-date. I even requested the title change for Karl's name since I didn't think it was appropriate.

I found your Friday Finger Fun thread more interesting.  Thought I'd join that one.  It seems to be more conducive to joining hands and skipping down the road.

You really believe that Mr. "I want to get to the bottom of this" Bush DID NOT KNOW that his right-hand man was the leaker? Honestly? Maybe Bush could help OJ look for the killer, too!

Enough has been unearthed that you are sounding like a wingnut by stating that "Bush's right-hand man was the leaker".  If you STILL believe that though, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF PETE go tell Ms. Miller she can make with the truth now.  I'm SURE she's sitting in jail because Mr Rove truly DID do it, and she's just "protecting her source"

You've only addressed it once, that you believe Rove to possibly NOT be the one, and yet, above, you are falling RIGHT BACK to doing so.  SERIOUSLY, stick with a story.  I'm laying it out for you that I believe your OTHER words (otherwise Miller WOULD just make with the get out of jail free card) and STOP being such a HACK!  What reason do you STILL have to go down the "Karl Rove did it" path?

That's the GREAT thing about this story...it absolutely, positively, DOES NOT MATTER what the Dems do, or what the GOP does. Nor do I care. It doesn't matter what CNN or FOX does, or doesn't, report.

So it doesn't matter what anyone reports.  You'll keep going with the "Rove did it" story REGARDLESS of the information coming out showing him to not be the leak.  You'll keep ignoring the fact that Miller IS still in jail in spite of the fact that she could now tell us "Rove did it" if he truly did, and his "cover" is blown. 

That's the very DEFINITION of a partisan hack.  Nice choice of phrases there.  Again, I have to say "Nice to see you are following the story as it unfolds and reporting it seriously, rather than using it for political retribution"

Like you care anyhow. You just ignore whatever makes the Bush admin look bad. For example, none of you Bush cronies have even bothered to post in the original Rove thread, which amuses me to no end, actually. I'd be more than happy to discuss this seriously with you, if you want? Really, I'm a partisan lefty, so I have my own interest in this story, just as I'm sure you do. But I think it's important enough to discuss in a civil manner. Unless, you totally think it's a "non-story." Which, again, won't matter to the prosecutor.

There was a witch hunt going on, which YOU are choosing to ignore because it agrees with your preconceived notion that "the Bush administration did it" and you see an opportunity to take shots at Karl Rove.  Period.  Why on EARTH would we want to help you make a bigger foo.....wait a minute.....might have to do some rethinking on this one.

The only reason I'm replying to you HERE is that the story I quoted is clearly and obviously a joke, can be taken as nothing OTHER than a joke, and is meant to give those who DON'T have a stick up their Friday Finger Fun a chuckle, as you even acknowledge that it's a joke. 

It's not my problem that you can't see the humor in it, that I'm not so sanctimonious that I can't joke about something serious.  There is no reason for me to post in the other thread, because other than the SINGLE comment made by you about Miller, there isn't any SERIOUS conversation going on in there.......after re-reading that....the other stuff above....maybe you are correct.  Maybe this silly story DOES belong in that joke of a thread.  If there's a mod that wishes to do so, merge the two.  That way, this one will die equally with that other yawn-inducing tripe.

If and when more information regarding outing Plame as a COVERT AGENT arises, then it's worth discussing.  UNTIL that point, this story IS AND WILL BE nothing more than a joke based yet again on shoddy fact-finding by reporters looking to be the leader in selling newspapers for their employers, and is being kept alive by partisan hacks looking to throw Karl Rove under the bus for his success in helping to defeat them. 

There ARE facts here.  When is your opinion going to change?  If YOU were seriously interested in this, Karl Rove wouldn't even be discussed anymore by you.  I've gotta say, you hit it right on the head.  "Like you care anyhow"  Your zeal to hang whatever you can on Bush far outweighs any "apologetics" I make for him.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

It's not my problem that you can't see the humor in it...

You are right, I can't see the humor in the loss of any asset dealing with WMD nonproliferation, and contrary to what you may think, it IS your problem, because that loss only serves to endanger you and your family. But that presumes you can remain above the right-wing chorus' attempt to vilifying Valerie Plame.

Whatever the reason, whoever the leak, it is clear that a CIA 'operative' had her career destroyed, which also destroyed the entire front company Brewster-Jennings & Associates and all the agents that worked there, for what appears to be nothing other a personal vendetta and/or petty politics. Ha, ha...very funny. Got any good "dead baby" jokes?

The WH leaker, making the U.S. safer by destroying CIA assets! That one should kill at the local comedy club.

Enough has been unearthed that you are sounding like a wingnut by stating that "Bush's right-hand man was the leaker".

All the latest revelations point to Rove. He was admittedly involved, his lawyer claimed as much. The only question remaining was who started the leak, Rove may very well have, but there is NO QUESTION that he continued it. Which is still illegal. You act like I just made this up. He should be fired, at a minimum, for the ethics of the thing alone.

I'm SURE she's sitting in jail because Mr Rove truly DID do it, and she's just "protecting her source"

• Via E&P:
  "George Freeman, an assistant general counsel of The New York Times Company, re-affirmed that Miller would not say who that source was. "She has never received," Freeman told Liptak, "what she considers an unambiguous, unequivocal and uncoerced waiver from anyone with whom she may have spoken."

She seems to be protecting somebody. Anyhow, we may soon find out more since the latest news indicates she may be facing charges of criminal contempt.

• From today's Washington Post:
  "Lawyers in the CIA leaks investigation are concerned that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald may seek criminal contempt charges against New York Times reporter Judith Miller, a rare move that could significantly lengthen her time in jail."

With all your snickering at and chiding of my speculation, your actual point sort of gets lost. Why do you think the prosecutor would be going to such "highly unusual" lengths, and leaning so heavily on Miller?

This seems to be beyond just "who leaked", and it's now on to much larger territory. Remember, as with Clinton, and Nixon before him, it isn't about the lie, it's about the cover-up.

mrC

[DrewKaree]

Got any good "dead baby" jokes?

Why did the dead baby cross the road?

What's red and goes a hundred miles an hour?


Or are those more along the "riddles" line?

[DrewKaree]

More for you:

What is funnier than a dead baby?

What is the difference between a baby and a onion?

How do you get 100 babies into a bucket?

How do you get them out again?

How do you make a dead baby float?



There's PILES of 'em out there if you want.  You don't need to ask me, and they aren't relevant to the topic other than you just brought them up.

Lighten up, sparky.  You'll live longer.  Glad I could help you with the dead baby jokes.

[Goz]

This thread seems like a lefties wet dream.

-Goz

[shmokes]

I sure hope it's Rove.  The Dems need to be rid of him.  That guy could put a monkey in office.

Oh...wait...

[DrewKaree]

Nobody wants to take a stab at the punch lines?  Bad pun, I know.  Call me KKKRAZY!

* DrewKaree runs around the room hooting like Daffy Duck

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I sure hope it's Rove.

Cooper [Time Journalist] just said on Meet The Press that Rove ended their phone conversation on Wilson with a statement that has stuck in his head for the past two years;

Rove stated, "I've already said too much."

I'd have to agree with Rove here.
mrC

[Lilwolf]

I love how the GOP has changed gears so quick.

Bush stated he would let go whoever the leak was.   I guess that would have only been true if he wanted to fire the guy at the time.   

Bush should be mad at Rove for 2 reasons.  1) is for shooting his mouth off when he legally wasn't able to.  2) lying about it.  Can Bush ever trust him.  Of course if he told Bush the truth from the get-go its a different story. 

Remember, WE (the tax payers) paid to have this woman trained for 20 years so that Rove could out her and ruin her carreer because Rove was pissed at her husband.  (because he told the truth... don't forget about this... he DID tell the truth about the Bush administration and the facts they had). 

I hate how Bush / Admin can't stop lying, or being wrong and never fessing up.

I believe in conservitave principles.  I think the States should take more control, and less fed activity.   But the current Bush administraction is really going against all those principles.....  That being said...  Its not like the Democrates bring anyone else better to the table .  Sure Kerry shouldn't have been attacked for most that he was.  But the Dems should be able to get better. 

[DrewKaree]

I believe in conservitave principles.  I think the States should take more control, and less fed activity.   

You should look at the Libertarian party, or at the very least, Vote Nerf Hoffelmeyer in '08 - http://www.nerfhoffelmeyer.com