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TOKN KB16 (Tiger-Heli's Testing Complete)
jjd:
--- Quote from: KenToad on June 09, 2005, 10:06:13 am ---
Yeah, that sucks to have to make your first two postings on the forum about such a disappointing piece of hardware and a scandal to boot. I feel for you, man. I also had the same feeling as Tiger-Heli that you might be Mattp in disguise. It just seemed so well-timed to chime in with a post that keeps the damning of this encoder in the air for a few moments longer. Also, as we all know, it's so easy to pretend to be someone you're not on a message board, like if you're defending someone despite all apparent evidence and against the evidence of some of the wisest and most active members. Anyway, let us know how it turns out and post your project in the Project Announcements. Welcome and good luck.
Cheers,
KenToad
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Thanks for the welcome, I like to come in with a bang :)
As I was hitting the button to send that forst post, I actually thought about people assuming that I was Mattp posting under a different name to defend the product.
In reality, I applied for a username about a week ago because I wanted to get in on the discussion about MAMEdev pulling auctions. As someone new to the hobby (or as my wife calls it, the lastest obsession) the developments were pretty important. All of the auctions that I was watching suddenly dissapeared!
I'll post what I find and hopefully it will help the next newbie make a more informed decision.
Tiger-Heli:
--- Quote from: jjd on June 09, 2005, 09:55:06 am ---1) I'm not Mattp, just a lurker coming out of the shadows.
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As Chris said, I was kidding - although this was a thinly (maybe not enough) veiled reference to Mattp's efforts to get all other negative threads about the TOKN encoders removed by claiming they were anonymously started by his competitors to denigrate the KB16.
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2) I'm definitely not questioning your results. I'm just curious about the hookup. I'll connect it as shown on the Tokn wiring diagrams and test it that way. From what you got and my 'playing' with the PCB, I'm fairly certain that we will get the same results. I just like to try everything before making up my mind.
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No problem - I just can't see any way that a single jumper works as advertised but multiple one's won't if the connection method is incorrect. And I know enough about matrix encoders to know what I'm seeing. I would very much like someone independently to verify what I am seeing, though.
--- Quote ---Swapping out CPs becomes as simple as opening the lid and removing the floppy cables from the KB32. To swap CPs, put the new CP on the CP box and plug in the new floppy cables.
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You could do that with the Eco2 with a single HD cable rather than dual floppy cables. :(
--- Quote ---I also had a spare PS/2 keyboard laying around, so the passthrough was a nice feature. I hope it works.
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At least the pass-thru seemed to work fine. <edit: Much slower than a direct connection, though.
--- Quote ---The groovygamegear website doesn't list it, at least not that I can find easily.
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That's why you need to spend all your free time and most of your other time on this board.
--- Quote ---Hindsight being 20/20, I probably should have gone with a minipac from Ultimarc. Ah well.
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The minipac is only 28 inputs, but gives you a trackball and spinner interface.
--- Quote ---But if it turns out that the statements made in Tokn's official documentation and communications here are false, then we have a major problem.
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Agreed.
Tiger-Heli:
--- Quote from: jjd on June 09, 2005, 10:14:53 am ---In reality, I applied for a username about a week ago because I wanted to get in on the discussion about MAMEdev pulling auctions. As someone new to the hobby (or as my wife calls it, the lastest obsession) the developments were pretty important. All of the auctions that I was watching suddenly dissapeared!
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The developments are important, but not for the reasons you are thinking. Your auctions will still be there, you just need to search on item and description now.
OTOH, do yourself a favor and download the latest MAME binary, the latest MAME source, the compiling tools (or your favorite binary with the latest tweaks that you want put in), and obtain a complete set of ROMS (or at least all the ones that interest you).
I don't have any inside information, but you will likely thank me later. As Dylan used to say "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".
jjd:
--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on June 09, 2005, 10:32:06 am ---
The developments are important, but not for the reasons you are thinking. Your auctions will still be there, you just need to search on item and description now.
OTOH, do yourself a favor and download the latest MAME binary, the latest MAME source, the compiling tools (or your favorite binary with the latest tweaks that you want put in), and obtain a complete set of ROMS (or at least all the ones that interest you).
I don't have any inside information, but you will likely thank me later. As Dylan used to say "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".
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I've been lurking around here and mame.net for months. I put on my rain gear weeks ago ;)
KevSteele:
Wow, Tiger -- that's pretty nasty stuff, and exposes some serious flaws in my "joystick + 5 buttons" test. Now I'm curious why I didn't get the "phantom Alt" key problem (or any ghosting, for that matter) in my testing.
EDIT: Now I'm wondering if it was the specific leads I chose for testing that led to a lack of ghosting. This could have been another lucky combination of buttons on my part, but I really want to know for certain.
jjd, please test out your TOKN32 encoder and report back. If we can confirm this behaviour on a second unit I'm going to update my review to reflect this.
Kevin
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