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Tiger-Heli:
Look at the comments by IntruderAlert in the thread I posted above.

You mount the joysticks at a 45-degree angle to the screen and then switch them in MAME.

This way the sticks aren't running into the buttons.

So you go back to the initial design, but for 4-player games, P3 is mapped so up is UP-RIGHT, NOT UP, NOT RIGHT.

For Smash TV, you stand at a 45-degree angle - Left stick UP is mapped to P3 UP, but Right Stick Up is mapped to P1 UP-RIGHT, NOT UP, NOT RIGHT.

So you are basically rotating the sticks in MAME rather than physically doing it.

Also, should the Start buttons go 1-2-3-4 or 3-1-2-4 to match with the joysticks (for others who've done this)?

markrvp:
Last night I layed in bed with my sick 3 year old and played Pacman on my laptop.  I used a small single joystick controller.  The joystick was resting on my stomach pointed toward my nose.  I was roughly 80 degrees off axis from the monitor.

I NEVER MISSED A BEAT.

I'm not disagreeing with Paige or RayB, but simply saying that UP on screen translates to AWAY FROM YOUR BODY.  If I were hanging upside down by my scrotum using a gamepad the same principal would apply.  Away from you is up, toward you is down, right is right and left is left AS YOU ARE ORIENTED TO THE JOYSTICK.

If you put all the joysticks facing up, then go with the straight across design.  If not, go with your original design.

One of the benefits of a DIY hobby is you are not locked into one way of doing things.  Paige likes the trackball close to the front, I like it 7" away from the front.  I don't hit the monitor when I smack the trackball.  Some people like T-Stiks; I hate them.  A LOT OF THIS HOBBY IS SUBJECTIVE.  You will get used to whatever you decide.  How Player 3 & 4 is oriented for your home machine is not as important as a commercial machine as you probably won't have 4 players playing it all the time.  If you need two joysticks for a game, use the Player 1 & 2 sticks.

And Tiger-Heli is right, the start buttons should go     3 - 1 - 2 - 4

Tiger-Heli:

--- Quote from: markrvp on June 01, 2005, 12:37:12 pm ---I'm not disagreeing with Paige or RayB, but simply saying that UP on screen translates to AWAY FROM YOUR BODY.  If I were hanging upside down by my scrotum using a gamepad the same principal would apply.  Away from you is up, toward you is down, right is right and left is left AS YOU ARE ORIENTED TO THE JOYSTICK.

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This has been debated a LOT here in the past.  I think the example that convinced me was trying to use a mouse to move the cursor.  I.E. turn your chair 45 degrees to the screen and you can still move the mouse vertically with the mouse perpendicular to the screen (Up is toward the screen).  Align the mouse parallel to your body (up is away from you), and the mouse will track slightly diagonally even though you THINK you are moving it vertically.  Give it a try.  That said, I agree that it's largely subjective.  (And if you follow my advice you might have to explain to people that up means toward the screen not away from you.)

--- Quote ---If you need two joysticks for a game, use the Player 1 & 2 sticks.

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Well yeah, for Battle Zone or Assault, but Smash TV needs two joysticks per player.  Kinda awkward for the 2nd player to reach around and use the Player 3 and 4 sticks.  (Unless Player 1 is your wife/GF) -  8)

--- Quote ---And Tiger-Heli is right, the start buttons should go     3 - 1 - 2 - 4

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Thanks (I wasn't sure).

markrvp:

--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on June 01, 2005, 12:58:06 pm ---Kinda awkward for the 2nd player to reach around and use the Player 3 and 4 sticks.
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Tiger-Heli:

--- Quote from: markrvp on June 01, 2005, 01:07:13 pm ---The old reach-around and grab the joystick game.  This sounds like a fun game for my next party 8)

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Well for that one you'd want player 2 to be the wife/GF  8)

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