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CheffoJeffo:
Why do we have to have the same bloody discussion with the same points made every few weeks when someone realizes that their favourite game doesn't play nicely under MAME ?

Invariably, someone asks about Game X.

Then someone comments about how MAME should use Feature Y to make games like Game X more playable.

Then someone comments about legal vs illegal ROMS. Then somebody talks of Bleem.

Then someone suggests that the unpaying, unwashed masses should just accept it.

Then someone says that we shouldn't blindly worship the MAMEDevs. Then someone says "do it yourself". 

Then someone says "won't someone think about the users who just want to play games".

It's like TBS and Overboard (North American reference, apologies to those who don't get it) ... every few weeks you know you're going to see it again!!

This is all covered in the various FAQs.

Maybe we should have a sticky in Software listing some of the emulators that put playability ahead of preservation.

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Flinkly:
yeah, this is the final post for this thread...as for the legality, i know of no man who owns all the arcade machines for the whole mame list, and know very few who only use mame to run arcade games they do have.  thus, it's illegal.

like i said before, i'm not looking for an argument, cause you can just go to about 25 other threads to do just that.  listen to cheffo, cause thats what he's talking about.

also, you made some point about misrepresented hardware in mame, if you don't like it, you could always fix it yourself (again, as cheffo pointed out).

and lastly, for input hacks, that is because someone like you actually did something for themselves and created what they want.

well...enough of this, i'm gonna go do something about building my own arcade controls...

JB:

--- Quote from: Flinkly on May 01, 2005, 04:56:39 pm ---yeah, this is the final post for this thread...as for the legality, i know of no man who owns all the arcade machines for the whole mame list, and know very few who only use mame to run arcade games they do have.  thus, it's illegal.

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MAME is used illegally. But it is not illegal.
There is a diffrence.

Writable CDs are used quite frequently for piracy. So are VCRs.
None of the above are illegal(despite heavy lobbying by media industries to crush them).

Same concept applies here.
MAME is a legal product that is often used illegally.



I'm only pointing this out because people see these statements, take them as fact, and next thing you know things like "Nintendo Power magazine gave away free games in Japan" are being quoted by large #s of people.

And it's not like copyright law is commonly understood anyways. So a mis-statement of copyright law seems to me a very important thing to correct.


As an example, people keep insisting that free games are public domain software, because they didn't have to buy them(regardless of whether or not it's through a pay service such as the Sega Channel, or free as with most homebrews).

In point of fact, software is not public domain untill it is explicitly IDed as such by the copyright holder, regardless of how it was released.



--- Quote ---and lastly, for input hacks, that is because someone like you actually did something for themselves and created what they want.
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But the fact that it was added into the official release version says something about the priorities.

I don't have a problem with them trying to get the emulation as accurate as possible. In fact, I encourage it.
But these sorts of things DO lend weight to the argument that, regardless of official statements, MAME is FOR playing games as opposed to it being a happy coincidence.
That's all I'm saying.

CheffoJeffo:
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Just for reference, the various Sony vs Bleem cases (of which Sony lost only some suits) established that Bleem was legal.

Other emulators, particularly those that circumvent copy-protection or encryption algorithms are not necessarily legal under the DMCA (yeah, that was a good idea!).

It isn't that simple ... and has been beaten to death,  always by people who aren't lawyers, because no lawyer would make blind blanket statements converning copyright law and the application of particular cases.

Unless you are using only legal ROMS, the legality of MAME is irrelevant since you are in violation with your ROMS.

If the academic argument interests you, then be sure to read up on Nintendo, Microsoft, Napster, Adobe, etc. There is lots of case law beyond Sony and Bleem ... and it doesn't all paint the same picture.

Cheers

Kremmit:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on May 01, 2005, 03:23:40 pm ---It's like TBS and Overboard (North American reference, apologies to those who don't get it) ... every few weeks you know you're going to see it again!!
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Yeah, what IS the deal with that?  Did Ted Turner do a cameo in it or something?

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