School Shooting! - Checkout twisted flash movie he made

[GGKoul]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7259823/&GT1=6305

[mairsil]

Very sad. So, which game will be blamed for this one?

[Zakk]

Marble Madness.  The shooter reportedly had some a few 'loose marbles'.

[HaRuMaN]

They'll blame music too.  Rock n' Roll

[ChadTower]

Why is this an issue in suburbia but not the inner city?  Oh wait, it is, but no one cares. 

[saint]

Any shooting is horrific - however, I am unaware of any mass shootings in the inner cities that aren't getting press. Of course, if they aren't getting press then I wouldn't be aware. Are there mass shootings that are being ignored because of location that you're aware of?

Individual shootings and violence is horrific and intolerable as well of course. However, I'm not sure there's a lack of caring when individual incidents don't make national news.

--- saint

Why is this an issue in suburbia but not the inner city?  Oh wait, it is, but no one cares. 

[Dartful Dodger]

They'll blame music too.

[ChadTower]

Any shooting is horrific - however, I am unaware of any mass shootings in the inner cities that aren't getting press. Of course, if they aren't getting press then I wouldn't be aware. Are there mass shootings that are being ignored because of location that you're aware of?

Individual shootings and violence is horrific and intolerable as well of course. However, I'm not sure there's a lack of caring when individual incidents don't make national news.

Your average driveby shooting would be a perfect example.  Random people, the majority of them uninvolved with the issue, shot while they went about their business.  The fact that one can reasonably call a driveby shooting "average" speaks more than I could ever articulate.

[Shape D.]

Why is this an issue in suburbia but not the inner city?  Oh wait, it is, but no one cares. 

usually the ones I think you would be refering to are isolated shooting where someone shoots one person. wher as this Is someone going into their school and randomly shooting people they can see. And similar things in inner cities do get paid attention to in the media, The incident a couple weeks ago in milwaukee for example.

[ChadTower]

Not nearly as much, though I have to say doing it on a Native Reservation is a new twist.

[DrewKaree]

CrazyCooter lives in MN, I wonder if he lives near this area.

Anyone else live in MN nearby this?

Drop a little more local info on this for us?

[Crazy Cooter]

It happened about 275 miles away from me (aka "up nort").  It's all the standard misinformation that the news is broadcasting:

- He was "into goth".
- He was picked on by the other kids.
- He was already in trouble at school (suspended or expelled).
- He wore a black trenchcoat.
- He listened to heavy metal.
- He was a neo nazi that loved Hitler.
- He posted messages on hate group forums.

I'm sure the media will find that he worshipped satan by the end of the day.


The facts are pretty slim.  It sounds like his dad commmited suicide ~4 years ago and his mom is in the hospital with brain damage from some auto wreck, so he was living with his grandpa (retired cop) and his grandpa's girlfriend.  It appears he swiped grandpa's gun, snuffed him and his girl out, then drove his grandpa's squad car to school and went postal before killing himself.  I'm still hearing different numbers for how many people were shot and how many were killed.

Pretty sad story, I wish the media would try and find out some actual facts.  They had an interview with someone this morning for 5 minutes on the local news and the guy had no knowledge of anything.  They're just grabbing people off the street and letting them say whatever.  There was supposed to be a press conference about two-hours ago, I haven't heard what was said there.

[ChadTower]

That's a tidbit you didn't mention, but the facts imply... his grandfather was a cop.  Or his grandfather had stolen a squad car.

[Dartful Dodger]

That's a tidbit you didn't mention, but the facts imply... his grandfather was a cop.

[Shape D.]

That sounds like a hell of a lawsuit.

[ChadTower]

Lawsuits would be dependent on whether or not it is his service revolver.

[Shape D.]

Lawsuits would be dependent on whether or not it is his service revolver.

I was assuming it was.

[ChadTower]

I was assuming it was.

Poor assumption, this is a policeman in the midwest.  He likely has personal guns as well. 

[Crazy Cooter]

Anyone that files a lawsuit should be slapped.  I don't think they can anyhow, "Sovereign Nation".  I don't think the reservation courts allow frivilous lawsuits.  Of course if some parents can sue someone in a "regular" court... they'll probably make a mint.

Poor assumption, this is a policeman in the midwest. He likely has personal guns as well.

I'd say more than half of rural Minnesotans have at least one gun.  That's a guestimate of course.

[cdbrown]

Who would they sue?  The dead grandpa for having the gun, the police for allowing him to have the gun (if it was his service gun).  I like that the reservation court doesn't allow frivilous lawsuits - wish all courts were like than.

[DrewKaree]

Who would they sue?  The dead grandpa for having the gun, the police for allowing him to have the gun (if it was his service gun).  I like that the reservation court doesn't allow frivilous lawsuits - wish all courts were like than.

If they can demonstrate the possibility that someone should/could be held responsible, they can sue. 

It sounds stupid, but they indeed COULD sue the grandfather, if they can demonstrate the above.  What they would be doing is suing the estate of the grandfather for damages. 

They could indeed sue the police for allowing him to have the gun, as well as suing the gun manufacturer, and mebbe if they read this board and my well reasoned and rational logic they could sue the bullet manufacturer for causing death.

If you can demonstrate potential to a judge, you can sue....you'd be SURPRISED at how silly this can all get!

I think HITLER coulda got off if he was tried in our courts in this day and age 

[Shape D.]

If it was the officers issued gun they could sue the police department for one of their officers not properly keeping his gun safe while off duty.

[ChadTower]

The reports I've read say he had several guns.  It's kind of hard to shoot 9 people with a revolver anyway... 6 chambers... 9 bullets.

[ChadTower]

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RED LAKE, Minnesota (CNN) -- A student authorities say killed seven people at his Minnesota high school first shot his grandfather and the man's girlfriend before taking his police-issued weapon, bulletproof vest and squad car to Red Lake Senior High School.
Ooooops.

[missioncontrol]

Perhaps they could sue the creators of The Constitution for giving us the right to bear arms 

[Dartful Dodger]

Perhaps they could sue the creators of The Constitution for giving us the right to bear arms

[fredster]

Guns don't kill people, COPS kill people.

Get rid of all these cops.

[ChadTower]

Last week didn't a rapist take a gun from an on duty police officer in a court house and then killed a couple of people?

No.  It wasn't a Police Officer, it was a Court Officer.  That's like comparing an enlisted Marine to a mall security guard.

[DrewKaree]

If it was the officers issued gun they could sue the police department for one of their officers not properly keeping his gun safe while off duty.

I believe Chad's report opens up a lawsuit against the grandfather's estate for failure to secure his service weapon while dead.....AND the police department.

See how this could work?

[DrewKaree]

Guns don't kill people, COPS kill people.

Get rid of all these cops.

au contraire, fredster!  Cops' BULLETS kill people.  Give the cops a gun, just don't give them bullets to put in them, OR, give them bullets, but no guns, that way, if they see something that requires deadly force, they can throw those bullets at the bad guys REALLY REALLY hard.

Ya know what we COULD do....give all the cops rubber bullets.  That seems to be preventing crimes left and right, as well as making death by gun nonexistant in England

[Dartful Dodger]

Ya know what we COULD do....give all the cops rubber bullets.

[GGKoul]

Last week didn't a rapist take a gun from an on duty police officer in a court house and then killed a couple of people?

No.  It wasn't a Police Officer, it was a Court Officer.  That's like comparing an enlisted Marine to a mall security guard.

mall security guards don't carry guns

[DrewKaree]

mall security guards don't carry guns

dunno about your area, but I worked in a mall where not only did they carry guns, loaded, they were one of two I worked at in the area where it was done.

Capitol Court - Milwaukee, WI
Grand Avenue - Milwakee, WI

Capitol Court also had a nice "feature".  The only mall I ever worked at that had a liquor store in it.

[GGKoul]

mall security guards don't carry guns

dunno about your area, but I worked in a mall where not only did they carry guns, loaded, they were one of two I worked at in the area where it was done.

Capitol Court - Milwaukee, WI
Grand Avenue - Milwakee, WI

Capitol Court also had a nice "feature".

[ChadTower]

I've spent a lot of time in Canadian malls.  Many of them would never need a guard because they don't even have stores.

[GGKoul]

The Smoking Gun released the kid's flash video he made about shooting.

[fredster]

I saw that.

That boy had talent. He was pretty young to have figured all that out.

I know it's shocking, but it's really thought out and I'm sure it took him a while.

Even more tragety.

[DrewKaree]

Sorry, I live in Canada.....

Yeah, I knew that part, but figured you thought all malls were like the Canadian malls.  Just pointing out that some mall security guards DO carry guns, is all.  Me being from a midwestern state, I'd bet there's a ton more mall security guards in worse areas - I worked in East St Louis for a bit, cripes, that whole area shut down ~5 because no one wanted to be there when it got dark!