Not eating = winner!

[iwillfearnoevil]

These people spend MILLIONS of dollars working out how to trick your brain into WANTING to eat the McCrap.

it doesn't take millions to convince ME that french fries taste better than rice cakes!

[SirPeale]

Yeah, but McDonald's french fries are about so far away from what you'd call a real french fry.

Has anyone seen "SuperSize Me?"  On the DVD extras, they take several McD sandwiches and a container of frys, and place them into separate glass containers, and allow them to break down.

As a 'control' they included a burger and fries from a diner down the street.  The kind of place they make everything by hand.

In two weeks time the McDs sandwiches were a little moldy, but quite obviously sandwiches.  The control burger had broken down massively.

The McD's french fries?  They looked *exactly* the same, two weeks later.

The experiment continued for eight more weeks.  The sandwiches continued breaking down.

The McD's fries?  Looked exactly the same, ten weeks later.

[whammoed]

The McD's fries?

[DrewKaree]

That's NOTHING. 

Do this for an experiment.  I'm not trying to gross you out with this, but you'll think twice before ordering another one......first pick whatever fast food joint you want - McD's, BK, Arby's.....anyone who has an ice cream or shake machine.

Buy one so you can enjoy the last one you'll be able to stomach before doing this experiment.  Buy an extra, make it a small, don't waste too much on this.

Drink your shake.  Take the other one home.  Pour it into a glass and set it somewhere you'll see, but isn't in the way.  Let it sit for a week, two weeks if you really wanna make sure the experiment clears up the issue for you. 

After two weeks, if you are still willing to drink that "shake", let me know.  I never want to have an "eat this" contest with you.

[danny_galaga]

i have another way to lose weight. just have a whole bunch of a-hole customers who string out their payments for weeks and months. soon you'll be eating ham and cheese sandwiches for lunch and dinner just like me!

[SirPeale]

That's NOTHING. 

So share...what happens? 

But at the end of a day I wouldn't want to drink a dairy product that's been sitting around, shake or no.  Pour a glass of milk and let it sit for a couple weeks.  Yum!

I don't drink milk.  Nasty stuff.

[ChadTower]

There's no dairy in a fast food shake.  It's almost all gelatin.

[DrewKaree]

Chad's right.  It separates like those sediment experiments you did in science class!

I started going to a place where I could see them make the shake.  Ice Cream, fruit, cream, blend.  While it may also do the same thing, I've never been able to resist leaving one of THOSE sit long enough to see it separate like a Mickey D's shake!

I haven't been able to order a shake mix shake or ice cream from a squirt-it-out machine since.

I know milk separates too, but I'm a little better able to deal with THAT.  There's at least a semblance of stuff that looks like the product you start with.  There's NOTHING in those shakes that looks like the original product.

[danny_galaga]

There's no dairy in a fast food shake.

[ChadTower]

that explains why even though im lactose-intolerant i can enjoy a BK shake without too many side-effects...

Same here, if you change the verb.

[mattv]

at least 1 gallon a day, 2 if you can manage

2 gallons of water a day? Is your stomach susposed to explode and you'll loose the weight that way?

Jokes aside, wouldn't you spend the entire day pissing if you drank that much water

[General Zod]

at least 1 gallon a day, 2 if you can manage

2 gallons of water a day? Is your stomach susposed to explode and you'll loose the weight that way?

Jokes aside, wouldn't you spend the entire day pissing if you drank that much water

Yeah ... you'll make a few trips to the head, but that much intake is needed. Instead of the norm being 8-12 glasses a day, it has been upped to no less than a gallon, and 2gals.

The following is quoted from another website, directed at body reconditioning.

As a bodybuilder, you are putting much more nutrients, food, supplements, and other stuff into your body. What your body does not use, it must rid itself of by any means necessary. Usually it does this via water. So drinking plenty of water becomes a necessity. Increasing protein puts a strain on your body and drinking lots of water can keep things "moving." Creatine monohydrate supplementation requires a lot of water. Creatine is all about cell volumization. Making sure your cells are completely hydrated helps with the volumization process. NO2, a hemodilator, requires water. Many other supplements require water as a transport and a flushing method.

So where some might have disagreements, or do things slightly different, it's not as far fetched as you think.

The end result is to achieve whatever physical goal you have placed before you, and the road taken can be different for us all.

It's all a little different. Body types and such, and what the person is looking to do.

[DrewKaree]

Lest people think that the answer is to drink ourselves silly in order to regulate our bodies, it IS possible to drink too much water, and it CAN become deadly.  There ARE cases written on this subject, and there IS a limit for water intake. 

Just as too little water can make a person delirious and cause problems you'd never think to associate with water intake, too much can cause just as big a problem.

[Sephroth57]

yeah well umm, i ended up joining a gym this week. im working out mon-wed-fri, and limiting myself to 2 fast food meals a week right now, which is hard for me since i used to eat it all the time. but i think im doing good. the weight i lost from stress/not eating is staying off because im actually exercising and stuff now.. soon i hope itll start being toned

[General Zod]

Lest people think that the answer is to drink ourselves silly in order to regulate our bodies, it IS possible to drink too much water, and it CAN become deadly.

[DrewKaree]

While I understand your attempt at humor, your ignorance on the subject is anything BUT funny.

Since you seem to not want to believe it just because it "sounds stoopid" because it comes from me, I'll provide you with links to the subject, and also for others to check this out for themselves, since they may take your view of my information as gospel.

Now, coming from an eating disorder site, they have something else they're trying to get at, but I'll START with them  http://eatingdisordersonline.com/nutritional/water.php

I'll quote the pertinent facts:

When you have prolonged excessive water intake. Excessive fluid intake can be dangerous because:

    * 1. It can dilute the electrolytes in your blood and cause a low sodium in the blood.
    * 2. Excessive urination can flush out electrolytes, minerals, etc. Symptoms of fluid overload include a gradual mental dulling, drowsiness, weakness, confusion, coma, convulsions and death.

Next, we'll go to an actual reported case, as seen here: http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/nation/10821619.htm?1c Say what you wish to about the circumstances, the FACT is that the cause of death was attributed to excessive water consumption.

Medical staff at marathons and Iron Man competitions address the problem you paint as "me knowing shite".  I guess these guys should ALSO "stick to things they know, as MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE clearly aren't these DOCTORS' specialties"

Here you go, from Joe Friel author of the "Training Bible" series of books, speaking of hydration and exercise.  I know, I know, another guy you probably ridicule in an attempt to make your opinion the de facto standard.  Soon, you'll be writing your own books and having your own equipment sold on late night T.V.

Oh, and finally, from the National Library of Medicine...you know, guys who SHOULD have an idea of what they're talking about...lemme guess, first rate hacks you wish you could debate to put to rest their foolish theory...more reports of this "mythical phenomenon" you deride

It's called, in case you can't be bothered to read the staggering amount of information available from a simple Google search, hyponatremia, and it exists, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

I wasn't telling someone drinking a few extra glasses each day will kill them, I was pointing out that it CAN be overdone, and the results can be DEADLY, in other words, YOU CAN DIE.

Dismissing these facts in an attempt to be funny paints you as thinking yourself an expert and unwilling to learn because you think you're more learned on the subject, and ignores the fact that people may interpreting your advice in ways you never imagined, with potentially fatal consequences. 

This isn't a "lower taxes" or "war bad, peace good" debate, it's an honest-to-goodness problem that you seem to have obviously never heard of and therefore think it foolish.  Some research on your part is in order.

*edited for vitriol*

[fredster]

Sage advice Drew.

I saw that where a college student who died recently that was forced to drink too much water and exercise. He went into cardiac arrest because his electrolytes were diluted to the point his involuntary nervous system failed.

I know now why I always failed, I was using BEER to do it.

what was it this guy said?

Why not try sticking to something you might have some clue about, it's obvious that politics, religion, physical health & well being, and arcade controls are not your specialty! 

Man, talk about failing your Dale Carnegie course.

[jbox]

Here you go, from Joe Friel author of the "Training Bible"...

From the article:

Sports drinks containing not only sodium but also carbohydrate will keep you well hydrated, maintain sodium levels and help prevent low glycogen levels that can result in bonking.

What?!?!?   Waiter, more water please, and damnit man keep 'em coming!

(not knocking the article, but what does that word mean in Canada?)

[DrewKaree]

LMAO!  It didn't even register with me!  Bonking is a term for the phrase "hitting the wall"....kinda like you just can't go anymore.

[shmokes]

If I remember correctly from a nutrition class I had years ago it's very difficult to drink enough water to disrupt your ph balance unless you're also doing heavy excercising all the time.  Something about sweating out salt.  That's, as I understand it, why sports drinks are better for hydrating athletes than water.

But yeah....I think it takes ridiculously ginormous amounts of water to have any negative effect on your electrolytes, but I'm pretty sure that it can be done, and has been quite a few times.

[Kremmit]

That kid that died from drinking too much water was in Chico, Ca.. about an hour from me.  It's true, I assure you, they can't seem to get if off the news around here.  And yes, he was doing excercises as well, but you don't HAVE to be excercising to suffer from water intoxication.  I remember reading about it a while back on some site that promotes "legal highs"- apparently some people do it on purpose to get messed up.  And some of them over-do it and die, and a lot of them wreck their bladders.

[ChadTower]

Man, I'm telling you this is a subject I know a LOT about.  Creatine is useless.  All it does is cause you to retain more water.  That's also why it causes you to need more water.  Stop using creatine and any 'gain' you experienced while on it is gone in two weeks.  It's just not useful.

[DrewKaree]

Huh!  How about that!

Chalk all these replies up to just one more thing I know $#!7 about 

Zod, if you make it back here, perhaps you'll need help removing your foot from your mouth.  Go ahead and ask.  It's another one of those things I can help you with!

[Magnet_Eye]

Not Winning = Eater