Happ 19" monitor - no go in Space Duel?

[Dougmeister]

Dude selling some monitors says:

"Happ Controls 19" monitors! These fit most video games made since 1979, except starwars, spaceduel, asteroids and Nintendo products. Please email if you would like to know if this monitor will work."

Why wouldn't it work in a Space Duel game?  Maybe I'm reading it wrong - I just want it to work in a Space Duel *cabinet*... there's no reason I couldn't get one for a Mame cab, right?  The monitor just wouldn't work w/ a Space Duel PCB, eh?

[whammoed]

Yes it will work for mame.  He is just saying that it is a raster monitor and it won't work for vector games like space duel.  Has nothing to do with the cabinet itself.

[JoyMonkey]

Yeah, I think it'd work fine in a Space Duel cab. He must mean that it won't work with vector PCBs.

Edit: SNAP!

[Dougmeister]

Cool.  Thanks guys.

Now can you help me out a bit more?  I've read the Monitor FAQ, and from what I can gather, it breaks down like this:

Arcade Monitor
Plus:
+ realistic
+ can rotate it

Minus:
- need ArcadeVGA card ($90)
- or something else (?) to get it to work

Computer Monitor
Plus:
+ easy setup

Minus:
- not very realistic w/out adding scanlines, etc.
- cannot be rotated?

TV Monitor
Plus:
+ may have one just sitting around

Minus:
- Need video card w/ TV Out
- cannot be rotated?

Is that about it?

[Ken Layton]

Two problems here:

Number one is the fact that Space Duel is an X-Y (vector) game not a raster game.

Number two is the fact that X-Y monitors had a picture tube that was shorter in depth. Some color raster monitors will not physically fit in this cabinet because the tube is longer and would stick out the back of the cabinet and get busted. Better check the physical specs closely of the monitor you want to use or you might be throwing your money away.

[Dougmeister]

Ok.  Hmmm.

So for a newbie such as me, as far as difficulty/complexity goes, arcade monitors are the trickiest to get set up correctly?

Then would come television monitors, then computer monitors (easiest), right?

[android]

Two problems here:

Number one is the fact that Space Duel is an X-Y (vector) game not a raster game.

... when used with the original PCB. In otherwords, in an original Space Duel cabinet you wouldn't be able replace the original monitor  with a Happ one because the original Space Duel circuitry won't be able to handle it. But, obviously, if you connect a Happ monitor to a PC with Mame, then you should be able to play any emulated vector games with no problem. If you use andy warne's Arcade VGA card, it should make it easier to do this kind of setup.

-- Android

[Dougmeister]

So what benefit is there in buying an arcade monitor ($100+) and an ArcadeVGA card ($90) when I can pick up a 20" TV for $100 and a cheap, decent video card w/ TV out for $20?

[Chris]

Also remember that arcade monitors are open frame, so you're exposed to high-voltage components.  If electricity makes you nervous, this may be an issue.

--Chris

[Dougmeister]

Also remember that arcade monitors are open frame, so you're exposed to high-voltage components.  If electricity makes you nervous, this may be an issue.

What's the difference between an arcade monitor and a television with the case removed then?  More than I realize, I guess.

(I realize they are set to operate @ dif't frequencies, no tuner in arcade monitor, etc.)

[SirPeale]

So what benefit is there in buying an arcade monitor ($100+) and an ArcadeVGA card ($90) when I can pick up a 20" TV for $100 and a cheap, decent video card w/ TV out for $20?

Because you don't need an ArcadeVGA unless you're running Windows, and even then there's the far less expensive Trident Blade T-64.

It's all about picture quality.  I've seen it all, and I would go with an arcade monitor setup any day.  Next would be computer monitor.