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Can we complain about mods, or maybe get one replaced?
Vigo:
Agreed. I get where Scott is coming from, but challenging a member isn't problem solving. The posts might not quite make sense out of context anyway.
Let me just propose an gentleman's agreement here. No apologies owed on either side, but Mal, Neph and Scott, how about you all agree to turn the page on this and just handle things differently going forward. Scott, if you need to moderate Mal or Neph, simply do your edit to their post without any public commentary. Then, do a PM to that them and show the original post in quotes, then cite the rule violation as documentation. No other comments on the PM. Malenko and Neph, just agree to keep things cool as long as things are fair. If there is still an issue, it can be addressed at a later point when there is going to be a full documentation trail of what posts looked like before and after.
Nephasth:
I don't need a a PM telling me I had a post sent to PH. Every time I drink a forty, a dump a little out for all those lost souls in Post Hell. :cheers:
yotsuya:
--- Quote from: Vigo on February 09, 2015, 03:56:35 pm ---Agreed. I get where Scott is coming from, but challenging a member isn't problem solving. The posts might not quite make sense out of context anyway.
Let me just propose an gentleman's agreement here. No apologies owed on either side, but Mal, Neph and Scott, how about you all agree to turn the page on this and just handle things differently going forward. Scott, if you need to moderate Mal or Neph, simply do your edit to their post without any public commentary. Then, do a PM to that them and show the original post in quotes, then cite the rule violation as documentation. No other comments on the PM. Malenko and Neph, just agree to keep things cool as long as things are fair. If there is still an issue, it can be addressed at a later point when there is going to be a full documentation trail of what posts looked like before and after.
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It takes a Carpathian.... :cheers:
Malenko:
--- Quote from: PL1 on February 09, 2015, 03:32:40 pm ---I'm still waiting on Malenko to reply to my earlier challenge to present the evidence of "passive aggressive PMs from moderators letting me know they can ban me ".
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I never said you threatened to ban me in particular, just that you have in fact done it (and admitted to it no less!). I wasn't aware I was not allowed to complain about what you do if it was not directed at me. You basically said you could shut Neph up by banning him. That's not something you joke about, more over you are the one that posted the quote, so you cant say I altered it or took it out of context. Compounding that is the fact you were "so angry" you couldn't PM back "no I wasnt really going to ban you" (or something of that ilk) isnt helping your case. As for keeping PMs, I only keep the funny ones so you'll never have to worry about me keeping yours.
If your defense for threatening to ban Neph (even jokingly) is "I didnt threaten to ban Malenko" , that's pretty ---smurfing--- weak bro.
My complaint was a brief amalgamation of why I don't feel you do a good job moderating. This is beyond just you accusing me both posting rom links and running Howard off, let's stop trying to make it about me. Its about YOU. The way you post in this thread is proof enough you don't deserve to be a moderator.
--- Quote from: Vigo on February 09, 2015, 03:56:35 pm ---Agreed. I get where Scott is coming from, but challenging a member isn't problem solving. The posts might not quite make sense out of context anyway.
Let me just propose an gentleman's agreement here. No apologies owed on either side, but Mal, Neph and Scott, how about you all agree to turn the page on this and just handle things differently going forward. Scott, if you need to moderate Mal or Neph, simply do your edit to their post without any public commentary. Then, do a PM to that them and show the original post in quotes, then cite the rule violation as documentation. No other comments on the PM. Malenko and Neph, just agree to keep things cool as long as things are fair. If there is still an issue, it can be addressed at a later point when there is going to be a full documentation trail of what posts looked like before and after.
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While I am a gentleman I'm going to have to not take you up on this agreement. Scott has proven to be incapable of change and or learning, and I don't think trying to silence the "squeaky wheels" is problem solving either. On more than one occasion I have stated I don't have a problem being moderated, but I do have an issue with how its done sometimes. Lastly, I dont need an apology from PL1; I dont think it'd be sincere. However a moderator resignation is a serviceable substitute.
Vigo:
--- Quote from: Nephasth on February 09, 2015, 04:00:56 pm ---I don't need a a PM telling me I had a post sent to PH. Every time I drink a forty, a dump a little out for all those lost souls in Post Hell. :cheers:
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That bit is mostly there for Scott. He states the burden of proof is on you guys, but he holds the keys to how the posts look, and he is the authority, so the reality is that the burden is much more on him to disprove.
--- Quote from: Malenko on February 09, 2015, 04:06:51 pm ---While I am a gentleman I'm going to have to not take you up on this agreement. Scott has proven to be incapable of change and or learning, and I don't think trying to silence the "squeaky wheels" is problem solving either. On more than one occasion I have stated I don't have a problem being moderated, but I do have an issue with how its done sometimes. Lastly, I dont need an apology from PL1; I dont think it'd be sincere. However a moderator resignation is a serviceable substitute.
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The reality is that you are not going to get Scott removed from a first complaint. However, if there is evidence that there is an ongoing problem, that is a different story. For it to be ongoing, you have to let things continue, for better or worse.
Not to diminish your points, but you did make a case that he has a steeper learning curve being a moderator, and naturally he is going to make more mistakes than someone who has been around a long time. It might have taken a knock-down drag-out fight between you guys to get there, but I believe Scott can learn to handle things more mindful in the future.
We do need moderators, spammer issues alone dictate that. So at this point, do you have a different idea for an agreement that can keep things civil until the truth fully threshes itself out?
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