Moderating opinions now? (Expression of disbelief)

[shponglefan]

We all know this thread was a clusterfuck destined for the bin.  I fully agree with the mods decision to lock it.

But to edit the thread title itself... that I don't agree with and I think it sets a bad precedent for this forum.  Even though everyone flat out disagrees with 404's view (self included), I think he should have a right to his view and be allowed to express it.

(And yes, I realize this is a private forum and mods ultimately can censor whatever they want.  But I think it's still a bad precedent.)

[pbj]

I laid out my views on a few vendors as objectively as I could and had it nuked, too.

 

[ark_ader]

We all know this thread was a clusterfuck destined for the bin.  I fully agree with the mods decision to lock it.

But to edit the thread title itself... that I don't agree with and I think it sets a bad precedent for this forum.  Even though everyone flat out disagrees with 404's view (self included), I think he should have a right to his view and be allowed to express it.

(And yes, I realize this is a private forum and mods ultimately can censor whatever they want.  But I think it's still a bad precedent.)

That guy 404 was just wanting attention.   I've ordered stuff from Randy for years (even from overseas) and I never had a blip of a problem.  This 404 guy has a dodgy pre-pay card and it failed on Easter (of all days) boohoo.  Just use another card. 

I would like to take this time to thank PBJ for the funny comments he made. Without them I would have fallen asleep reading that thread. 

This is not a private forum per se. It just has rules, and we have more lurkers than posters.  A certain sense of decorum is needed, thus the retitle and moderation.

Looking at that thread would scare me from buying from Randy, when in reality he is quite a good guy and excels in customer service and ethics.      Wish I could say the same for Andy.      

[404]

We all know this thread was a clusterfuck destined for the bin.  I fully agree with the mods decision to lock it.

But to edit the thread title itself... that I don't agree with and I think it sets a bad precedent for this forum.  Even though everyone flat out disagrees with 404's view (self included), I think he should have a right to his view and be allowed to express it.

(And yes, I realize this is a private forum and mods ultimately can censor whatever they want.  But I think it's still a bad precedent.)

Doesn't really surprise me at this point. I'm starting to suspect this was more of a $ponsorship issue than anything else.

That guy 404 was just wanting attention.   I've ordered stuff from Randy for years (even from overseas) and I never had a blip of a problem.  This 404 guy has a dodgy pre-pay card and it failed on Easter (of all days) boohoo.  Just use another card. 

1. If i wanted attention, i would have posted it in just about every single forum section and in every arcade related website I could find.
2. If he would have contacted me and actually told me to try the order again, I would have. I actually said that countless times already. For someone who claimed that PBJ saved the thread from boredom, the least you could have done was actually read those "boring" parts before commenting.
3. That dodgy card already worked with two other vendors i ordered from after the GGG nonsense. 

Looking at that thread would scare me from buying from Randy, when in reality he is quite a good guy and excels in customer service and ethics.      Wish I could say the same for Andy.      

You know what would scare anyone from buying from Randy? My TwistedQuarter review which was a legit review that has now been deleted. That's where Randy went Ape shizz, trashing TwistedQuarter and posted my approximate location arguing that i only got fast service from TQ because we live in the same state. Information he got by viewing my order details on his site. Next time, be sure to bring that up when you talk about Randy's "ethics"

If i really wanted attention, i could have easily just contacted New Yorks DCA or DOS and sent them that message Randy put up.


What should really worry people is why is the groovygamegear thread still here and my TwistedQuarter review hidden from public view? What are the moderators so afraid of in that review that has them hide it from plain view?

[Generic Eric]

Maybe reviews shouldn't be up for dissection or debate.  Auto lock after posting.   

Furthermore,  a post shouldn't be to aire grievances or work outside the vendors choosen communication system.   *shrug*

[ed12]

a review is just that..what the name inplys review
but to carry on is another thing altoghter
a + or a - is just that
we have pm's here if i rem right ?,if not alot of op's here
have been sending me mesg's from the cloud's
but back on topic
a review is a + or a - about that simple
state the fact's and walk away
leave it up to the business owner to fix it..
as a owner i tend to tell ppl,if i messed up please get in my face for it
no need to biacth on a fourm about it,i will deal with it personal like..
but to carry on is akin to childish,
there is a statment we like to say grow some panties and suck it up..
these colsed and locked thread's were out of hand
both 404 and randyt knew they were going to self inplode
but they kept going..next time try pm-ing

ed

[Le Chuck]

A precedent implies that in the future this action will be used to justify a later action.  Nearly as I can tell forum modification is above (or at best tangential to) justification.  Everyone is free to vote with their feet, but that's about all the vote one gets.  I would have post hell'd it but I'm not a mod. 

404, I don't see the sponsorship connection at all.  Ad clicks help pay saints fees but if Randy/Andy/Whoever pulls there will still be ads at the top of each thread.  We've run off vendors in the past and Saint has never come on the net asking us to take it easy because we're hurting his bottom line.

[Le Chuck]

Also, I've reported this thread for violating saint's rules about trying to get around the profanity filter and recommended the thread title be changed based on early precedent.   

[DeLuSioNal29]

This.

6. Don't take it personally if you get edited by an admin or moderator. Things aren't always black and white and sometimes what is or isn't in line with the rules here is simply a judgement call. If your post gets edited but no other comment is made to you, don't stress about it. No one's mad at you or trying to censor your point of view. Just trying to keep it family friendly.

[404]

This.

6. Don't take it personally if you get edited by an admin or moderator. Things aren't always black and white and sometimes what is or isn't in line with the rules here is simply a judgement call. If your post gets edited but no other comment is made to you, don't stress about it. No one's mad at you or trying to censor your point of view. Just trying to keep it family friendly.

With all due respect, i still fail to see how this violates the rules for the TwistedQuarter thread which was thrown into post hell, disappearing from public view while the GGG thread topic was edited and closed. did a legit comparison between the customer interaction I had with two vendors. Nothing there was anything of what i would consider not "Family Friendly".

You can clearly see where the suspicion lingers.

[dgame]

So Mods are now politicking for vendors? The "Twisted Quarter - Buyer Beware" titled thread is still in the Reviews section. Why was that title not changed? 

I have bought from GGG, Twisted Quarter, Paradise, Ultimarc, etc. and never had a problem with any one of them.

Editing the title of a thread to protect one vendor and not doing it for all vendors does not come across as being "politically correct" it actually suggests the opposite.
 

[hypernova]

404.  My man:

Give.  It.  A.  Rest.

Let it go.  We know what your opinions are.  Lord knows we've read the same things over and over and over.  And over, because you even quote yourself over and over.  You have a problem of letting things go, and it is obvious by your over-investment in these two particular discussions.  You don't have to have the last word.

Serenity now... 

[404]

404.  My man:

Give.  It.  A.  Rest.

Let it go.  We know what your opinions are.  Lord knows we've read the same things over and over and over.  And over, because you even quote yourself over and over.  You have a problem of letting things go, and it is obvious by your over-investment in these two particular discussions.  You don't have to have the last word.

Serenity now... 

If you have read my stuff over and over again (especially the deleted stuff) you would know that none of this really bothers me at all. The way i see it, this is just the internet, i don't really hold any clout about what people say online, let alone about me. I already mentioned numerous times that not only did i not lose any money but that also, technically no harm no foul was done. It seems that, if i took this hard as so many people claim, you could imagine how others have taken it that have resorted to insults for the past few days. I think what you are claiming is an 'over-investment' is simply what i call having a tit-for-tat conversation with a few people that seemed more bothered by this than I am. 

At this point, I'm just far more curious as to how two reviews, one which really had little to nothing to do with a site sponsor suddenly disappears and another is edited to be more 'politically correct'. If they worried me or if I had a so called 'meltdown' as some have suggested, I would have posted this topic myself or PM'd the moderation team. None of which i did. Now that it's been brought up, why not just air it all in the open, right? 

The irony about this 'give it a rest' rhetoric is that the last 2 topics started about this situation weren't even started by me.   

[Anpanman]

I don't know why anyone is surprised or cares.  It's obvious that this place, and the arcade and pinball scenes in general, are "Good Ol' Boy" clubs.  If you're not in the inner circle you might as well be a leper.  That's why most of us just lurk.   

[yotsuya]

[ed12]

404  guess u missed this or u have decied to push your post count up ?
which-ever

Re: Moderating opinions now? Dafuq?
« Reply #6 on: Today at 11:35:41 am »QuoteModifya review is just that..what the name inplys review
but to carry on is another thing altoghter
a + or a - is just that
we have pm's here if i rem right ?,if not alot of op's here
have been sending me mesg's from the cloud's
but back on topic
a review is a + or a - about that simple
state the fact's and walk away
leave it up to the business owner to fix it..
as a owner i tend to tell ppl,if i messed up please get in my face for it
no need to biacth on a fourm about it,i will deal with it personal like..
but to carry on is akin to childish,
there is a statment we like to say Re: Moderating opinions now? Dafuq?
« Reply #6 on: Today at 11:35:41 am »QuoteModifya review is just that..what the name inplys review
but to carry on is another thing altoghter
a + or a - is just that
we have pm's here if i rem right ?,if not alot of op's here
have been sending me mesg's from the cloud's
but back on topic
a review is a + or a - about that simple
state the fact's and walk away
leave it up to the business owner to fix it..
as a owner i tend to tell ppl,if i messed up please get in my face for it
no need to biacth on a fourm about it,i will deal with it personal like..
but to carry on is akin to childish,
there is a statment we like to say grow some panties and suck it up..
these colsed and locked thread's were out of hand
both 404 and randyt knew they were going to self inplode
but they kept going..next time try pm-ing

edthese colsed and locked thread's were out of hand
both 404 and randyt knew they were going to self inplode
but they kept going..next time try pm-ing

ed

now do this part
>grow some panties and walk away from it<
before we label u drama queen.
as to it getting edited u should count yourself lucky
in some of the fourms i go into
that would get u 20day's in the hole,with NO posting rights
we have a pm..

ed

[ark_ader]

We all know this thread was a clusterfuck destined for the bin.  I fully agree with the mods decision to lock it.

But to edit the thread title itself... that I don't agree with and I think it sets a bad precedent for this forum.  Even though everyone flat out disagrees with 404's view (self included), I think he should have a right to his view and be allowed to express it.

(And yes, I realize this is a private forum and mods ultimately can censor whatever they want.  But I think it's still a bad precedent.)

Doesn't really surprise me at this point. I'm starting to suspect this was more of a $ponsorship issue than anything else.

That guy 404 was just wanting attention.   I've ordered stuff from Randy for years (even from overseas) and I never had a blip of a problem.  This 404 guy has a dodgy pre-pay card and it failed on Easter (of all days) boohoo.  Just use another card. 

1. If i wanted attention, i would have posted it in just about every single forum section and in every arcade related website I could find.
2. If he would have contacted me and actually told me to try the order again, I would have. I actually said that countless times already. For someone who claimed that PBJ saved the thread from boredom, the least you could have done was actually read those "boring" parts before commenting.
3. That dodgy card already worked with two other vendors i ordered from after the GGG nonsense. 

Looking at that thread would scare me from buying from Randy, when in reality he is quite a good guy and excels in customer service and ethics.      Wish I could say the same for Andy.      

You know what would scare anyone from buying from Randy? My TwistedQuarter review which was a legit review that has now been deleted. That's where Randy went Ape shizz, trashing TwistedQuarter and posted my approximate location arguing that i only got fast service from TQ because we live in the same state. Information he got by viewing my order details on his site. Next time, be sure to bring that up when you talk about Randy's "ethics"

If i really wanted attention, i could have easily just contacted New Yorks DCA or DOS and sent them that message Randy put up.


What should really worry people is why is the groovygamegear thread still here and my TwistedQuarter review hidden from public view? What are the moderators so afraid of in that review that has them hide it from plain view?

I am guilty of this behaviour in the past, when trying to resuscitate the dead horse for a laugh.   

I advise to keep poking this bear, and see how much millage we can get.   

[Le Chuck]

This thread still has veiled profanity in the title!!1!1!1!111!!

Gah! Fix it now!!!!

[ark_ader]

This thread still has veiled profanity in the title!!1!1!1!111!!

Gah! Fix it now!!!!

I thought we had a new mod called Dafuq.....

[404]

404  guess u missed this or u have decied to push your post count up ?
which-ever

Re: Moderating opinions now? Dafuq?
« Reply #6 on: Today at 11:35:41 am »QuoteModifya review is just that..what the name inplys review
but to carry on is another thing altoghter
a + or a - is just that
we have pm's here if i rem right ?,if not alot of op's here
have been sending me mesg's from the cloud's
but back on topic
a review is a + or a - about that simple
state the fact's and walk away
leave it up to the business owner to fix it..
as a owner i tend to tell ppl,if i messed up please get in my face for it
no need to biacth on a fourm about it,i will deal with it personal like..
but to carry on is akin to childish,
there is a statment we like to say Re: Moderating opinions now? Dafuq?
« Reply #6 on: Today at 11:35:41 am »QuoteModifya review is just that..what the name inplys review
but to carry on is another thing altoghter
a + or a - is just that
we have pm's here if i rem right ?,if not alot of op's here
have been sending me mesg's from the cloud's
but back on topic
a review is a + or a - about that simple
state the fact's and walk away
leave it up to the business owner to fix it..
as a owner i tend to tell ppl,if i messed up please get in my face for it
no need to biacth on a fourm about it,i will deal with it personal like..
but to carry on is akin to childish,
there is a statment we like to say grow some panties and suck it up..
these colsed and locked thread's were out of hand
both 404 and randyt knew they were going to self inplode
but they kept going..next time try pm-ing

edthese colsed and locked thread's were out of hand
both 404 and randyt knew they were going to self inplode
but they kept going..next time try pm-ing

ed

now do this part
>grow some panties and walk away from it<
before we label u drama queen.
as to it getting edited u should count yourself lucky
in some of the fourms i go into
that would get u 20day's in the hole,with NO posting rights
we have a pm..

ed

Sorry, I've been intentionally ignoring your posts because they don't make sense. Half the time they aren't written in anything that looks like English. Rather than outright stating that, I've tried to ignore you but judging by how many times you post in every single thread that has my name in it, this issue clearly bothers you more than it bothers me. 

I am guilty of this behaviour in the past, when trying to resuscitate the dead horse for a laugh.   

I advise to keep poking this bear, and see how much millage we can get.   

Not really sure what behavior I would be guilty of. I posted two threads. One complaint about Grimy Game Gear and one a positive review of TwistedQuarter. The other two threads were not posted by me. If i really wanted to beat a dead horse, I'd do something like create another complaint thread  or better yet, i would have fought concerning the deletion of a positive review right up until they ban me.

As for the mileage, We already have one altered review, the TwistedQuarter review in the post hell section and another thread not made by me which referenced the situation that is now permanently deleted. I think everyone knows where this one is going to go pretty soon. 

[yotsuya]

Not really sure what behavior I would be guilty of. I posted two threads. One complaint about Grimy Game Gear and one a positive review of TwistedQuarter.

Trolling GGG, maybe? 

[404]

Not really sure what behavior I would be guilty of. I posted two threads. One complaint about Grimy Game Gear and one a positive review of TwistedQuarter.

Trolling GGG, maybe? 

Posting a negative opinion on a vendor is trolling? Hows that different from what half a dozen others or so do on this forums on a nearly daily basis? That really boils down the entire subject of this thread.

[yotsuya]

You know as well as I do that your "review" of TQ was just as much a poke at GGG. That's the first time you used "Grimy", which you've used numerous times now. Besides, it's probably better for Andrew and TQ that they not get dragged into your mess as well. I just put in a $100 order with TQ this morning that had nothing to do with your review and everything to do with previous experience. And guess what - he's messed up an order of mine before, and he fixed it. I didn't have to call him out on a thread to get anything done. 

Let it go. Everyone, just let it go. ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- like this does nothing for this hobby.

[matt4949]

Shouldn't we all be playing nice. Especially with Saint dealing with his ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.

[yotsuya]

Shouldn't we all be playing nice. Especially with Saint dealing with his ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.

I agree.

[Nephasth]

I get censored all the time.

[yotsuya]

I get censored all the time.

Yeah, but that's the ---uvula--- Spock in you. 

[404]

You know as well as I do that your "review" of TQ was just as much a poke at GGG. That's the first time you used "Grimy", which you've used numerous times now. Besides, it's probably better for Andrew and TQ that they not get dragged into your mess as well.

Wrong. I posted it because it was great service. The knock at Grimy Game Gear was comparison to the piss poor service i got from them compared to the quick correspondence i received from twistedquarter; which most people seemed quite incapable of handling, including Randy. It was actually RandyT that went Ape shizz because i actually got my parts from another vendor and gave his rival vendor a positive review. The vast majority of the responses in that thread were from Randy. The rest of my posts in the TQ thread were there to simply bullet points destroying his bass-awckwards defense.

If there is anything that i should realistically be mad about at this time, it's moderators moving a completely legitimate review which showed clear comparative experience between both vendors, into their post hell section where nobody can see it. As i mentioned in that thread, my correspondence with TQ in a mere two hour time span was more than I had with GGG in two days. All of that was 100% true and I still stand by that today.

I just put in a $100 order with TQ this morning that had nothing to do with your review and everything to do with previous experience. And guess what - he's messed up an order of mine before, and he fixed it. I didn't have to call him out on a thread to get anything done. 

[childish byoac incoherent rant defending vendors mode]
c'mon man, this one is on you. You know you intentionally messed up that order just to screw TQ. Dirty pool Dirty pool!!!!111eleventyeleven LET IT GO!!!!1ONEHUNDREDELEVEN
[/childish byoac incoherent rant defending vendors mode]

All jokes aside. TQ got back and corrected the issue. Big difference from what i faced with Grimey Game Gear.  Even if you were to post that in a review, if you think I would defend TQ like some of the fanboys here have defended GGG, you're wrong.  In fact, I would defend you or anyone else tooth and nail for posting it. Everyone has had their own good and bad experiences with both vendors. I've never disputed that with anyone and most importantly, I've never called them out on it.

This thread brought up concerns from another member about editing reviews. Let's try to keep that on subject here and see if we can get a legitimate answer about that.

[Le Chuck]

I'd like to complain about the autocorrect on this site not letting me say x-o-u-c-h-e but 404 can say grimey game gear. Either block that or unblock Xiaou2 (note: I didn't actually type that name. That's the autocorrect at work).

[DeLuSioNal29]

I'm only going to respond with this:
Excerpt from the forum rules:  1. Be nice to each other. We're serious about this one. Disagree, debate, argue at will - but please be respectful. Messages that are flame-bait, hateful, racist, or otherwise pointlessly antagonistic will likely be sent to post-hell, and repeat offenders banned from posting.

404:  We are excercising this right, as we have already discussed offline as a possibility.

Please everyone:  Opinions are one thing, but name calling and disrespect, that's another ballgame.  It's all about how you deliver that message.  Let's nip this in the bud and have fun with our hobby!  This other stuff is a waste of everyone's time.  ~ DeLuSioNaL29

[yotsuya]

I'm only going to respond with this:
Excerpt from the forum rules:  1. Be nice to each other. We're serious about this one. Disagree, debate, argue at will - but please be respectful. Messages that are flame-bait, hateful, racist, or otherwise pointlessly antagonistic will likely be sent to post-hell, and repeat offenders banned from posting.

404:  We are excercising this right, as we have already discussed offline as a possibility.

Please everyone:  Opinions are one thing, but name calling and disrespect, that's another ballgame.  It's all about how you deliver that message.  Let's nip this in the bud and have fun with our hobby!  This other stuff is a waste of everyone's time.  ~ DeLuSioNaL29

Thanks, DeLuSioNal29. 

[pbj]

Then why was my honest review post nuked?

Can't call a JPAC low quality?

You're seriously the worst moderator.

[ed12]

well 404 u are batting 100
another post gone to pottie.....
never wore so many battires out on a wireless keyboard
then with your insupid post's
as i tried to explain to u
in review it's simple  >example here bought from so and so a+ or tried and -<
where + is good and -is bad
if asked explain it..walk away
to simple eh?

ed

[matt4949]

Then why was my honest review post nuked?

Can't call a JPAC low quality?

You're seriously the worst moderator.

JIM TRULY IS MY FAVORITE

[Nephasth]

Then why was my honest review post nuked?

Can't call a JPAC low quality?

You're seriously the worst moderator.

Agreed. Delusional, you're my least favorite mod.

[SavannahLion]

I don't know why anyone is surprised or cares.  It's obvious that this place, and the arcade and pinball scenes in general, are "Good Ol' Boy" clubs.  If you're not in the inner circle you might as well be a leper.  That's why most of us just lurk.   

That explains why PBJ gets more respect than I do... or was that Xiaou? Oh crap... I forgot where I rank on the social ladder.

[Caparo8bit]

[ed12]

well u ppl could always go to kvol or what ever u call it ?
i hear they give a :show of the in and the out door on a few flames:
or is it just 1? beats me
then try to get back in after u get the swift out the indoor down right

 
point is do not byte that hand that feed's u
god even dog's know that trick

ed

[saint]

My father died a week ago. I don't have the words to describe the hole that has left in my life.

I begged a few folks on the forum to mellow out, and asked the moderators to keep an eye on things for me while I flew my father's body back home and buried him.

One ore more folks couldn't do that for me (the mellowing out). The moderators did what they felt was best to honor my request to keep things contained while I was away. If anyone has an issue with the moderating lately, their beef is with me, not the people who volunteer to help me keep this place going.

It's midnight and I've just gotten back home from the airport. I'm going to spend tomorrow taking care of myself and my family, and not BYOAC.

Monday, I will take a look at the various bits of debris from the last few days, restore anything of value, and do whatever else appears to need doing.

To my moderators, thank you guys, I appreciate your efforts and as you can see it's sometimes a thankless job.

Anyone with any beef should feel free to direct it my way.

--- saint

[saint]

I only have one single sponsor by the way, and that's Game On Grafix. BYOAC isn't and has never been about making money or protecting vendors from customer reviews/feedback. I've defended myself and BYOAC from threats of litigation repeatedly to protect that very point in the past, to the point of employing the services of an attorney to protect the right of people to post opinions on this forum, within the rules of decorum I've asked people to follow.

I'm too drained to dignify the insinuation any further.

--- saint