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Do LED monitors really look this crappy with mame?

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Warborg:

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--- Quote from: DaveMMR on February 27, 2014, 06:50:39 pm ---You could try a hardware solution - like this:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,129344.0.html

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I forgot to mention that I have a mini SLG (the original not the 2x) as well and wasn't happy with the results. It's better than without but still nowhere near the experience of an actual arcade monitor. I'm with Randy on hoarding, hopefully my Betson doesn't crap out anytime soon. I'm thinking an LCD like this http://na.suzohapp.com/all_catalogs/monitors/49-2861-20 might be a good alternative as you could supposedly pair it with an AVGA.

I'm surprised I see so many new cab designs with LCD or LED in the 16:9 aspect ratio when they're so clearly inferior for classic games. Granted they look great for modern PC games but why would I want to play those on my cab except for maybe a couple fighting games. For mame and classic arcade games I don't see how anyone who's seen both side-by-side could make the argument against a true arcade monitor.

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I'm not sure about "clearly inferior", I'm pretty sure this particular 'argument' is very subjective.  Certainly CRTs are much more authentic for classic games, and if you are judging purely on authenticity I suppose you could say it's inferior...  But it really is in the eye of the beholder as to what looks "better", not to mention other criteria in the decision to use an LCD or a CRT.  Right now my cab has a 22" Viewsonic Professional PC CRT in it, so while still not "authentic" doesn't look half bad.  I've been thinking about rebuilding it into a pedestal with an LCD hanging on the wall in front of it...  I'm not overly concerned with authenticity as much as just having the old gameplay, and I really don't mind some filtering/enhancement depending on the game either (heck, if I were worried about authenticity I'd need to be in a crowded room with the din of all the games and music so loud I could barely hear myself think...  ;)  ).

Kier:
I think its like this: To the purist, An LCD will never be the same. Never.

To anyone else who doesnt remember the old days, the LCD seems better, clearer, sharper, etc.

My kids prefer the look when playing Frogger on MAME, but prefer the real joystick of our Frogger cabinet.

keilmillerjr:

--- Quote from: Kier on February 28, 2014, 06:50:07 am ---I think its like this: To the purist, An LCD will never be the same. Never.

To anyone else who doesnt remember the old days, the LCD seems better, clearer, sharper, etc.

My kids prefer the look when playing Frogger on MAME, but prefer the real joystick of our Frogger cabinet.

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My 27" aluminum iMac has one of the most brilliant LCD displays I've seen. It tops my hd LCD tv by far. However, I really enjoyed the screen on my old CRT G3 iMacs. I think the contrast was better. Colors seemed to mesh too. Maybe it's just me. CRT's are good. With that being said, I went with a large LCD for my project. I wanted something new, and new large crt's are expensive in comparison. I think coupled with the minislg, it will due just fine, but will not truly be authentic. Depends what your goals are. A multiple game mame machine isn't authentic anyways. If I was building a replica machine, it would definitely be a CRT.

Warborg:

--- Quote from: Kier on February 28, 2014, 06:50:07 am ---I think its like this: To the purist, An LCD will never be the same. Never.

To anyone else who doesnt remember the old days, the LCD seems better, clearer, sharper, etc.

My kids prefer the look when playing Frogger on MAME, but prefer the real joystick of our Frogger cabinet.

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I'm not a purist, but I am quite old enough to remember "the old days"...  ;)  I still remember playing Asteroids, Pac-Man and Galaxian when they were new and hot...

8BitMonk:
@Warbog: I agree about that it can be subjective, I probably should've said 'clearly inferior in my mind'. My unscientific and completely subjective opinion is that the difference is so dramatic that if you did side-by-side comparisons with the average person off the street nine out of ten of them would pick the arcade monitor as having markedly better display quality.

@Kier: I don't think it's about nostalgia or remembering them a certain way, just plain old visual quality. I'm not a 'purist' perse, I don't care if it looks exactly like the original, only that it looks great.

I tend to disregard comments by those who haven't setup both types and seen side-by-side comparisons since you really need to have seen a multitude of games setup correctly on both types of displays to make an informed judgement.

@Paul Olsen: Given you have a good base of experience to draw from I'm surprised you find the LED/LCD's so close in quality having seen many side-by-side comparisons. I just don't see it in my testing. With HSL settings tweaked I get alright results with some vertical games like DK and Galaga but can't get other games like Street Fighter to look even halfway decent. Having to tweak HSL settings on a per-game basis is also as much (or perhaps even more) of a hassle as setting up an arcade monitor.

So to the point of getting the best mame display results on an LCD/LED, does anyone else have any tips/tricks/HLSL settings to share?

Here's what I've personally tried:
Original Mini SLG
Tinted Glass
HLSL setting tweaks - 4 different 'best' versions scrounged online


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