2 AimTrak Light Gun setup

[jackiabu]

hi

today i got my 2 AimTrak Light Gun.

My question is do I need to connect two of the LED Bar usb? or one is Enough for two guns?

[Connorsdad]

1 bar is fine for 2 guns.

[jackiabu]

ok thanks men

[jackiabu]

now i have a new problem



I have a problem from the moment I plugged the other gun. Noting working .


 installed the software from the site .. AimTrak Setup And I get a message  "Unhandled exception has occured in your application"


I followed the instructions, but I get lost. What is the simplest way to connect the second pistol, step by step. ?

[BadMouth]

My guess is that you left both guns as Device ID 1.
You need to change gun #2 to a different ID before plugging them both in.

Basic Tasks:
Assigning ID.If  you are connecting more than one gun to a PC, each one must have a unique ID.The ID is assigned by clicking on the "Assign ID" tab.

from this page:
http://www.ultimarc.com/aimtrak.html

Step by step instructions:
http://www.ultimarc.com/AimTrak%20Setup%20Guide.pdf

[jackiabu]

My guess is that you left both guns as Device ID 1.
You need to change gun #2 to a different ID before plugging them both in.

Basic Tasks:
Assigning ID.If  you are connecting more than one gun to a PC, each one must have a unique ID.The ID is assigned by clicking on the "Assign ID" tab.

from this page:
http://www.ultimarc.com/aimtrak.html

Step by step instructions:
http://www.ultimarc.com/AimTrak%20Setup%20Guide.pdf

Thanks men... but I've been see these links before. And try to change the ID .problem now is giving me all the time the message "Unhandled exception has occured in your application"
 
any other idea please?

[BadMouth]

any other idea please?

That was my only idea. 

[jackiabu]

can somone  tell me please how to config  and Calibrat whit this util  Aim-Trak my gun.

it was OK until i connect the second gun! and install the Aim-Trak util.

the calibration is not Accuracy no matter how i try.

[spratkobasa]

Make sure your sensor bar is in a good position and that your light gun can see the bar no matter where you point on the screen.  Also the Aim trak has software to calibrate the guns even further which can help.  I found holding the trigger down for 30 seconds restarts the calibration so you can adjust on the fly for games that are 4:3 vs games that are in 16:9.  Hopefully this helps.  Also make sure your Joystick ID's are setup correctly using the aimtrak software that ultimarc gives you on their site.

[jackiabu]

Make sure your sensor bar is in a good position and that your light gun can see the bar no matter where you point on the screen.  Also the Aim trak has software to calibrate the guns even further which can help.  I found holding the trigger down for 30 seconds restarts the calibration so you can adjust on the fly for games that are 4:3 vs games that are in 16:9.  Hopefully this helps.  Also make sure your Joystick ID's are setup correctly using the aimtrak software that ultimarc gives you on their site.

my sensor bar is in a good position.

I have to say this program is a shity one i try to calibrate but again no luck the gun just out of range...the ID is ok. by the way where should i calibrate the gun? in Configuration? Sensor View Check? Displaying Calibration Errors? or the SHOW DATA Tab? Although I tried all of them in all sorts of variations

With all the respect to the http://www.ultimarc.com/aimtrak.html site  itself has an explanation for all TAB. but why not be explained step by step from start to finish?

[Wade007]

Once your guns are set up (with IR sensor and all) and plugged in correctly (IDs, etc) press the calibration button on your gun(s) for the required 10-30 seconds in order to enter calibration mode (while in Windows). You'll be looking at a Windows desktop at this point. No other software is open. No Aimtrak software is needed at this point for calibration.

You should see three blinking targets. They come up one at at time. Shoot them with each gun.

A couple of KEY THINGS to keep in mind:

1) Be sure to be far enough away from the screen for the calibration to work. It's much harder to be too far away than too close. I'd guess at least 4-6 feet away from the screen for it to work.

2) Aim with your WRISTS, not your arms. Position the gun where you would likely hold it when playing a game. Then aim carefully using your wrist, only pointing the barrel of the gun at the different calibration targets. Try not to move the handle part of the gun in space relative to your body at all.

See my review demo video here for a few possible points of help:


I hope this helps.

[jackiabu]

Once your guns are set up (with IR sensor and all) and plugged in correctly (IDs, etc) press the calibration button on your gun(s) for the required 10-30 seconds in order to enter calibration mode (while in Windows). You'll be looking at a Windows desktop at this point. No other software is open. No Aimtrak software is needed at this point for calibration.

You should see three blinking targets. They come up one at at time. Shoot them with each gun.

A couple of KEY THINGS to keep in mind:

1) Be sure to be far enough away from the screen for the calibration to work. It's much harder to be too far away than too close. I'd guess at least 4-6 feet away from the screen for it to work.

2) Aim with your WRISTS, not your arms. Position the gun where you would likely hold it when playing a game. Then aim carefully using your wrist, only pointing the barrel of the gun at the different calibration targets. Try not to move the handle part of the gun in space relative to your body at all.

See my review demo video here for a few possible points of help:
http://www.cheapskategamer.com/pc_game_stories_and_news/true-light-gun-support-for-pc-gaming-the-arcade-guns%E2%84%A2-product-review/

I hope this help.

i have no calibration button on my gun where is it?

[BadMouth]

http://www.ultimarc.com/aimtrak.html

see calibration section.

point gun at ceiling and hold trigger in for 5 seconds

[jackiabu]

http://www.ultimarc.com/aimtrak.html

see calibration section.

point gun at ceiling and hold trigger in for 5 seconds

haa.... that i all ready did many times, but the  calibration is not Accuracy.

[BadMouth]

Are you talking about accuracy in a game, or do you say it's inaccurate in Windows?
Every game has its own service menu that you'll have to calibrate the gun in.

[jackiabu]

Are you talking about accuracy in a game, or do you say it's inaccurate in Windows?
Every game has its own service menu that you'll have to calibrate the gun in.

no men i am talikng about  accuracy  in win, like i did a week ago on my xp, whit no utill, just as you said 5 sec, and the gun was just fine, then i decide to add the second gun, ant that was all shity thging hppens.

all so i know every game has owan calibrate. like i did in opertion wolf, area 51, etc.

[BadMouth]

In Windows, make sure only 1 gun can see the bar.
The guns is a mouse.  All mouses connected control the same pointer, so they can "fight" each other.

In MAME, make sure that you have multimouse enabled in MAME.ini
When you map the controls in MAME, it should say "Mouse 1 X axis, Mouse 1 Y axis, Mouse 2 X axis, Mouse 2 Y axis....."
Otherwise MAME is just like windows with both guns trying to control the same pointer.

Also, do not enable "multiple lightguns" in MAME.ini.
That is left over from the old days.
Aim-Trak is seen as a mouse.

[jackiabu]

badMouth in window i connect only 1 gun.


The problem right now is not in MAME. This gun calibration problem.

Once I click the button 5 seconds, and after he finishes the calibration.

The gun moves on the screen like crazy ... and I took the calculation of the distance from the screen.

By the way this picture (forgive the quality) direction with one gun in my MAME. The first day I brought it.


It worked perfectly without a program with only one gun.

And that's what drives me crazy, because at first it worked perfectly for me ...

[spratkobasa]

You said that it worked fine when you only had one gun in windows. But when there are two guns in windows it was all over the place. Are you sure when you are moving it that the other gun isn't pointing at the bar. One possibility is that the cursor is jumping between gun 1 and 2 which are both pointing at the screen.

[jackiabu]

You said that it worked fine when you only had one gun in windows. But when there are two guns in windows it was all over the place. Are you sure when you are moving it that the other gun isn't pointing at the bar. One possibility is that the cursor is jumping between gun 1 and 2 which are both pointing at the screen.

now i am just try to calibrate one gun...i try the other gun separated but the same problem...i all so try another computer win7.

I SO FRUSTRATED!  this guns took me a lot of money...and ANDY from ultimarc dont respond my email.

[jackiabu]

Here is a video clip about the gun...Excuse my bad English!

[BadMouth]

To enter calibration mode, you should be holding the gun vertically (point at ceiling).

The calibration goes upper left corner, upper right corner, and bottom of screen center.
It did not look like you pointed the gun at the bottom of the screen for the last one.
That could by why Y axis is messed up.

[Wade007]

jackiabu, I watched your video...twice. I'd like to try and help.

I believe the problem is that your gun is NOT calibrated correctly with your computer. That's why the cursor jumps all over the place on your monitor. Forget MAME for now. You need to get the gun(s) calibrated.

BadMouth's comments and input is good.

My AimTrak's are slightly different (Arcade Guns). I'm not sure which gun trigger is your calibration button. For me it's the large rear button. Where your thumb touches. I have to keep it pressed down for at least 10 seconds uninterrupted for the lightgun to enter calibration mode with Windows. Your gun may require more or less time. 5 seconds? Maybe I missed it in the video but it didn't seem like you actually entered calibration mode. Hard to see. Somehow you may not be pushing the correct button long enough...or something.

You will know you've entered calibration mode when the mouse cursor moves to the upper left corner of the screen. At that point, release the large button pressed to initiate calibration. As BadMouth suggested, don't point your gun at the screen when initiating calibration (pressing the large button on the gun).

Now...once the mouse cursor is in the top left corner, point the gun at the mouse cursor (using the tips I posted prior) and pull the trigger. Do the same for the upper right and bottom center. The center target will be slightly off center. That's OK. It's supposed to be so. You must aim VERY carefully at these three targets. Take your time. Use the iron sights of the gun.

If your calibration was accepted you should be able to control your mouse cursor with the light gun. You should have smooth cursor control across the whole monitor. If you like the accuracy of the gun then you're done. If not, re-calibrate until you are satisfied.

If you calibration was not accepted by the software (actually firmware), the cursor will return again to the upper left corner of the screen for re-calibration. If this happens, don't be alarmed. Move a foot or two further away from the screen and try again. If you are already more than 7 feet from the screen you should move closer to the screen instead of further away from it.

If accuracy is still not quite right after calibrating, start the calibration process again. This time you might try aiming slightly above or below the mouse cursor target or tipping the nose of the gun upward or downward during calibration. Again, I still suggest keeping your wrist and arm as motionless as possible.

I know this can be frustrating.  I remember having to try to calibrate my guns many times before I got it right.

The good news is that once you get them calibrated in Windows you won't have to worry about it again. The calibration for you screen stays in firmware. Even if you unplug your guns.

Then...you can move onto MAME.

[DarthMarino]

When I first got my guns, one would jump around even when held still.  Not quite as dramatically as what you are showing in the video but it was noticeable.  I got a replacement from ArcadeGuns.com and they agreed that it was defective and the replacement was perfect.  You could have a similar issue. 

Random thought: is it possible that the IR lights are reflecting off of something else like the control panel?  If it's only one gun, then I doubt it's the case but might be worth looking into.

[jackiabu]

Success

Well after half a day without electricity at home.

I returned to calibrate the gun .... and when I finally made it. i dont remmber what i did  but now it working good.

I played in operation wolf, and works pretty good.

Meanwhile its weird as it sounds, I do not want to" provoke", and connect the other gun. becuse that get me all that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- I want to learn more about the directions and everything.

Anyway I have another little problem, for example in operation wolf 'I can not adjust the two buttons.

Always get only GUN B0

What is the simplest way to set up a gun and shooting two buttons hand-grenades?

Thanks in advance jacki

here is vid how its look now

[DarthMarino]

Remember that shooting offscreen can be different than shooting on screen. Double check these settings in the Aimtrak utility.  Just set on and off screen to the same thing for each button and you shouldn't have a problem calibrating Operation Wolf. You can also make sure to aim at the screen during calibration in MAME. Probably better to do it this way so it still works correctly with offscreen reload games such as Lethal Enforcers.

[jackiabu]

Remember that shooting offscreen can be different than shooting on screen. Double check these settings in the Aimtrak utility.  Just set on and off screen to the same thing for each button and you shouldn't have a problem calibrating Operation Wolf. You can also make sure to aim at the screen during calibration in MAME. Probably better to do it this way so it still works correctly with offscreen reload games such as Lethal Enforcers.

I was able to calibrate  OPERTION WOLF, AREA 51.

But somehow games like OPERTION THNDER BOLD does not calibrate . when I move the gun toward the right. LIGHTGUN X ANALOG in MAME, and game like alien 3. the same problem.
i will keep trying

[jackiabu]

Well  after a week of trial and calibrations. (One gun attached).

I was able to play dozens of games in MAME. And  all so games like, HOUSE OF DEAD,Remington Super Slam Hunting Africa,etc.

There are games like CAREN EVIL that need to calibrated in DIP SWITCH. and its now allso work fine. however alien 3 and other games, dont calibrate at all .even when i try the DIP SWITCH option. when i move the

gun i see the movment of the gun but nothing happen.

why is that most of the game in mame i succeed to calibrate, and some i dont?

[BadMouth]

however alien 3 and other games, dont calibrate at all .even when i try the DIP SWITCH option. when i move the

gun i see the movment of the gun but nothing happen.

why is that most of the game in mame i succeed to calibrate, and some i dont?

Is it just the games that original had mounted guns?  (terminator 2, revolution x, etc)
The guns on those games were more like analog joysticks than light guns, so they work differently.  (they should still work with aim-trak though)
See page 22 of the Aim-trak manual.

[jackiabu]

however alien 3 and other games, dont calibrate at all .even when i try the DIP SWITCH option. when i move the

gun i see the movment of the gun but nothing happen.

why is that most of the game in mame i succeed to calibrate, and some i dont?

Is it just the games that original had mounted guns?  (terminator 2, revolution x, etc)
The guns on those games were more like analog joysticks than light guns, so they work differently.  (they should still work with aim-trak though)
See page 22 of the Aim-trak manual.

BadMouth i all ready read this chapter. I followed the instructions. But maybe I'm missing something ...

[Wade007]

With positional gun games you'll need to enter the gun settings in MAME as the STICK X/Y axis controls. Not as the normal Lightgun settings. Also, some of those games require in-game calibration (ie: Terminator 2, Revolution X). All of this should be in the AimTrak manual. Look in the end section where it talks about individual game requirements.

[jackiabu]

With positional gun games you'll need to enter the gun settings in MAME as the ANALOG X/Y axis controls. Not as the normal Lightgun settings. Also, some of those games require in-game calibration (ie: Terminator 2, Revolution X). All of this should be in the AimTrak manual. Look in the end section where it talks about individual game requirements.

from the site :

"Positional Games

 

These games originally used a joystick, usually mounted in a gun housing. Although they
were originally not lightgun games, they can be played with the AimTrak.

 

Since MAME does not consider these lightgun games, you will need to repeat the above
MAME setup procedure for assigning “GUN # X” and “Y” for these specific games. Note
that you will be selecting Input (this game) and then selecting the AD Stick X (and Y)
Analog inputs, instead of the Lightgun X (and Y) Analog shown above. "

Why can not they be more specific

any way here is what i do: i go to in mame to input(genral). then to the AD STICK X (AND Y)
here is how its look now:



now after i did this seeting, nothing happen. i all  so did the calibertion whit F2, but no luck

[BadMouth]

Note
that you will be selecting Input (this game)

Take a pic of the mappings for only that game.
Your pic is of the general settings.



Longshot, but something else to check:
Is there an ini file for Terminator 2 in the INI folder located in your MAME folder.
If so, make sure that the mouse isn't disabled in it.

[jackiabu]

Note
that you will be selecting Input (this game)

Take a pic of the mappings for only that game.
Your pic is of the general settings.



Longshot, but something else to check:
Is there an ini file for Terminator 2 in the INI folder located in your MAME folder.
If so, make sure that the mouse isn't disabled in it.

BadMouth You are the king thank you. the T2 its now working.
I checked my terme2 INI and there is LightGun 0. so I changed it to 1 and then i setup in AD Stick X (and Y) the gun whit no problem.

But something important and critical I have to say.
Many years ago I had connect TRACKBALL. usb. back then  calibrate the most games of shots.  to the TRACKBALL.
Maybe it made ​​me all the mess?

all so BIG thanks to the other guys here

[Connorsdad]

jackiabu you may be having the same problem as me here.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,136366.0.html

[jackiabu]

jackiabu you may be having the same problem as me here.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,136366.0.html

i still not connect the second gun yet. this week i will do that...meanwhile i calibrate some games

[sreisig1]

In Windows, make sure only 1 gun can see the bar.
The guns is a mouse.  All mouses connected control the same pointer, so they can "fight" each other.

In MAME, make sure that you have multimouse enabled in MAME.ini
When you map the controls in MAME, it should say "Mouse 1 X axis, Mouse 1 Y axis, Mouse 2 X axis, Mouse 2 Y axis....."
Otherwise MAME is just like windows with both guns trying to control the same pointer.

Also, do not enable "multiple lightguns" in MAME.ini.
That is left over from the old days.
Aim-Trak is seen as a mouse.

Hey Badmouth, When i go to set the axis's in the mame game, they come up as gun x. In order for it to come up as mouse are there other settings i need to change in the mame.ini? lightgun=lightgun. Should that be lightgun=mouse?

[eds1275]

One more thing that may make a difference is lighting in the room.I have to turn on a lamp at the back of the room and turn off the overhead lights otherwise the glare on the screen will mess up the guns