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Louis Tully:
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UncleArgyle:

--- Quote from: RandyT on July 27, 2012, 04:31:56 pm ---May I ask if the switches on your Spitfire are the "SmoothJoy" variety?

RandyT

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They do have the "SmoothJoy" option.

Interesting. I have some standard switches...maybe I'll swap some in and see if that makes a difference. Thanks for all the help.

Mike.

armi0024:
Spitfire joysticks are a knock off Sanwa.  They are identical to the knock offs available from several other vendors for a while.  They are the same as "Fight Stick 1" we have been selling since 2009.

Since we also deal in Sanwa products I can tell you some of the differences.  One of the biggest differences is the restrictor plate(fixed restrictor unlike real Sanwa's) and the cheaper micros.  (Real Sanwa's come with Omron's on a pcb).  It is not a cross between the JLW and JLF, it is just a knock off JLF with micros that are not pcb mounted.

As far as tuning and other things.  The guys on Shoryuken tune the crap out of JLF's and other sticks, going for the "right" feel.  Is is true that the increased spring pressure will increase the friction but we are talking going from 1lb to 2-4 lbs in most cases.  Not to mention, the centering force of the spring far out ways the frictional force.

Using Smoothjoy switches, otherwise known as Zippy VM-P1B-00D0-Z Mircro Switches, will actually reduce the noise but also reduce the centering force applied by the micros.  These are maximum 20 gram rated switch, while the originals are much closer to 125.  Most of the modders on Shoryuken are using Zippy's for their sensitivity and don't like the Smoothjoys or Zippys because the lack of response in the corners. 
 
Now these aren't Sanwa sticks, they are Chinese knockoffs and there are some differences in construction.  Typically the Chinese products are not noted for diligent tuning, but more known for using low cost options (ie. the microswitches)  However, if you want to pimp a Fight Stick 1 out the way the fighters would you can do the following:
Add an octo plate
replace the micros with Cherry's
Use a 2-4 lb spring (these are available by the link below, before we offered springs most modders would use LS-55 or LS-32 springs, of note Zippyy joysticks are an LS-32 knock off)

Or if you want to really go all out....
SparkCE
Circle restrictor plate
4lb spring

Discussion about tweeking JLF style sticks is rampant on the Shoryuken forums, I can post some links if people are interested.   We had custom springs made (in Nep's link) because people were stacking stock springs and doing other things that didn't make sense to increase the spring force.  The response has been great!

RandyT:
Springs are selected for given assemblies, by their respective manufacturers, regardless of origin, or upon which stick they are based.  Many things are taken into account, including the physical resistance of the supplied switches.  It's not simply based on cost.  Modders do all kinds of things they often don't understand the ramifications of, but are willing to take a chance on for possibly short term gain.  Changing the switches is a far less drastic means to achieve a similar result, at least where this type of pivoting means is used.

Anyone who reads these forums regularly can find several accounts of the problems I described from using the "stiffer spring option" with one of the more popular sticks out there, that also happens to be constructed  with the same pivot mechanics.  They were also unaware as to the source of their issues, and lament the maintenance requirements.

I am fully aware as to the, sometimes "over-the-top", lengths the fighter game aficionados go to mod their sticks.  They also seem to revel in often cleaning, tweaking and maintaining them .  It's probably safe to say they are not the average "birds" in this flock.

RandyT

SteveR:
Well since we're on the subject, could one of you explain to me the difference between the spitfire/fightstick1 and the roundhouse/(fightstick2?)?

Thanks!

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