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My new candy cabinet project
RyogAkari:
Pictures and updates:
Project start:
Been hard at work cleaning it out. Ive dissassembled most of it and cleaned the areas I could. Some of the screws are stripped on the control panel hinge so I decided for right now not to take that apart. I can reach everything to clean it without taking it apart anyway. Soft Scrub and Goo Gone was my friend!
Ive already taken out a lot of the Model 3 end of the wiring. Anything that I wanted to keep that has extra connectors on it ive bundled up together and zip tied off and Ill stuff it behind the coin box.
Finally got the stickers and crap cleaned off of the monitor bezel (thanks goo gone!). Still need to clean off SUITABLE FOR ALL AGES!!!!11!!11!!!! stickers off the two sides. Then I need to take out the power supply and clean out the machine from behind. After that Ill have scrubbed it out. It was dirty. So dirty that I started with a vacuum first.
Franco is helping me do some of the rewiring of my cabinet. I dont need the big fancy JVS/JAMMA 001 loom that most people get as this is just going to connect to the computer and eventually consoles in the end. Im having Franco make me a basic jamma connector, no sound, no video, no power, 3 button. Ive ordered normal control panel harnesses for player 1 and 2. He's cutting me a decent break on what the price would be so Im happy.
My wife is choosing the colors and theme for the machine. So far here is what its going to have:
Its a regular control panel but has been painted white. Im hoping its enamel paint and the job is good as we will probalby keep it. The wife wants to go for a sky theme so this would be a good base. If not we will strip it and probably repaint it with a white enamel. She may do some designs and accents later on it as she's the resident artist.
Sanwa JLFs with these tops:
Player one and player two are going to be a mixture of these 2 colors for buttons:
These will be the start buttons:
One player will have 2 of one color with 1 in the middle and the other player vice versa. We have hole covers just incase we ever want to expand.
Marquee that Im receiving in:
We will probably get other marquees in the future especially Bubble Bobble but this is our starter. It comes with an instruction sheet for me to put under the control panel glass.
We'll run Mala as our front end and are designing cloud backgrounds and puffy letters for an overall sky theme. (its a shmups cab amirite?). Arcade's cabinet name will be Blue October Sky.
Ill get pictures out as I get stuff in!
RyogAkari:
--- Quote from: Gray_Area on April 02, 2012, 09:34:00 pm ---Shouldn't be hard. Swap the CP and put some controls in it, get a JPAC, turn the monitor. Beware that you'll probaby have to disconnect the tube from the chassis. I completely disconnected and removed it, turned it and put it back in.
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I was just wondering why you had to do this? Was it that the wires were holding the chassis down in place? Ive undone all the bundles right now and Im betting there is enough slack for me to turn it. Ill investigate heavily before doing it of course. Ill also have another (much more qualified) person with me to help. = )
Also Rcade keep me up to date about your JLF mods.
rCadeGaming:
--- Quote from: opt2not on April 04, 2012, 02:46:23 pm ---What do you mean by "smoother pivot"? Are you talking about how it feels from going from one direction to another, aka SRK motions? 'Cause if you are, then that makes sense based on their large throw. Or perhaps you're thinking about how well lubed your sticks are...
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I mean when moving them at all. I don't know, JLFs just feel smoother to me somehow. Part of it could be the lighter spring tension, but I think the design and materials quality of the pivot areas certainly make a difference. This is also supported by the comparison on Slagcoin.com. The JLF and JLW are the only sticks with a "pivot quality" rated as "very high," all the Seimitsus are rated "medium," with the exception of the LS-40, which is rated "high."
I clean all my sticks thoroughly (yeah I make sure to rub them out real good), and lube them with Dow Corning Molykote 44 Light, which is supposed to be chemically the same as Shin-Etsu grease.
--- Quote from: opt2not on April 04, 2012, 02:46:23 pm ---The large throw is why JLF's are good for fighters, SRK movements, not so much for the small precision movements needed for shmups (but of course, to each's own).
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Why do you keep bringing this up as if I don't get it? First of all, I already stated this exact thing in my first post. Second of all, you are completely ignoring the things I've talked about to make the JLF suitable for shmups.
--- Quote from: opt2not on April 04, 2012, 02:46:23 pm ---Now that's an interesting statement, that I'm calling shenanigans on.
For one, I want to know what you're doing to your sticks for the levers to bend. Have you actually tried bending them? It takes a lot of force to bend the seimitsu switch levers, and I have never seen these levers bending out of regular usage.
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I secure this over my sticks and use it to check engage distances:
The engage distances of the individual directions vary depending on the bend of the levers, irregularities in the actuator as it rotates around the shaft, and how accurately the stick resets to exact center when released. The JLF has the most consistent engage points, due to both its leverless microswitches and its precise build quality.
opt2not:
--- Quote from: rCadeGaming on April 04, 2012, 06:31:58 pm ---I mean when moving them at all. I don't know, JLFs just feel smoother to me somehow. Part of it could be the lighter spring tension, but I think the design and materials quality of the pivot areas certainly make a difference. This is also supported by the comparison on Slagcoin.com. The JLF and JLW are the only sticks with a "pivot quality" rated as "very high," all the Seimitsus are rated "medium," with the exception of the LS-40, which is rated "high."
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"Pivot quality" sounds fairly nebulous, since their only basis is how "smooth" the movement is. But that can be a factor of many things like lubrication, throw, pivot point and shaft length.
But again, as I keep saying, in the end it's all up to your own preference.
--- Quote from: opt2not on April 04, 2012, 02:46:23 pm ---Why do you keep bringing this up as if I don't get it? First of all, I already stated this exact thing in my first post. Second of all, you are completely ignoring the things I've talked about to make the JLF suitable for shmups.
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Forgive me, I have this tendency to not believe anything new members present as so-called facts, regardless if they come to this forum to show off some nicely built custom sticks, or "educate" people about Japanese arcade sensibilities.
I didn't ignore your JLF points, I already addressed both of them. Smoother pivot, which you failed to produce any quantifiable data to back this up, and and lever-less microswitches, which again sounded more happen-stance than anything.
You keep pushing the JLF, which is fine for you, but like I'll say for the last time, it's all up to your own preference. I'm going to leave it at that because I grow tired of chasing you around this topic, and this thread has been derailed enough.
--- Quote from: RyogAkari on April 04, 2012, 05:59:53 pm ---
Pictures and updates:
Project start:
Been hard at work cleaning it out. Ive dissassembled most of it and cleaned the areas I could. Some of the screws are stripped on the control panel hinge so I decided for right now not to take that apart. I can reach everything to clean it without taking it apart anyway. Soft Scrub and Goo Gone was my friend!
Ive already taken out a lot of the Model 3 end of the wiring. Anything that I wanted to keep that has extra connectors on it ive bundled up together and zip tied off and Ill stuff it behind the coin box.
Finally got the stickers and crap cleaned off of the monitor bezel (thanks goo gone!). Still need to clean off SUITABLE FOR ALL AGES!!!!11!!11!!!! stickers off the two sides. Then I need to take out the power supply and clean out the machine from behind. After that Ill have scrubbed it out. It was dirty. So dirty that I started with a vacuum first.
Franco is helping me do some of the rewiring of my cabinet. I dont need the big fancy JVS/JAMMA 001 loom that most people get as this is just going to connect to the computer and eventually consoles in the end. Im having Franco make me a basic jamma connector, no sound, no video, no power, 3 button. Ive ordered normal control panel harnesses for player 1 and 2. He's cutting me a decent break on what the price would be so Im happy.
My wife is choosing the colors and theme for the machine. So far here is what its going to have:
Its a regular control panel but has been painted white. Im hoping its enamel paint and the job is good as we will probalby keep it. The wife wants to go for a sky theme so this would be a good base. If not we will strip it and probably repaint it with a white enamel. She may do some designs and accents later on it as she's the resident artist.
Sanwa JLFs with these tops:
Player one and player two are going to be a mixture of these 2 colors for buttons:
These will be the start buttons:
One player will have 2 of one color with 1 in the middle and the other player vice versa. We have hole covers just incase we ever want to expand.
Marquee that Im receiving in:
We will probably get other marquees in the future especially Bubble Bobble but this is our starter. It comes with an instruction sheet for me to put under the control panel glass.
We'll run Mala as our front end and are designing cloud backgrounds and puffy letters for an overall sky theme. (its a shmups cab amirite?). Arcade's cabinet name will be Blue October Sky.
Ill get pictures out as I get stuff in!
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Great progress on the cabinet! It's looking really clean now! Don't you just love Goo-Gone? What are you going to do with the Bass parts? I vaguely remember someone over at AO looking for these parts... might help you with the part purchases if you can sell 'em off.
:cheers:
rCadeGaming:
Ryo, sorry for the derail. Anyway, I read here that the US Bass Fishing cabinets came with a Nanao MS-2931 tri-sync monitor:
http://slawdog.net/hc/index.asp?page=Blast+City
If that's still in yours I'm extremely jealous. How does it look?
Did you play the Sega Bass Fishing for a while before taking apart? How is it with that controller? I love bass fishing in real life (trout fishing right now, waiting for warmer weather), but I don't know if I'd have much interest in a game about it.
Are the screw heads stripped or the threads? Do they screw into metal threads or plastic?
If it's the heads, or metal threads, you might have to drill the screws. Not difficult, just time consuming. Center the bit (might need to tap it with a punch first, use a sharp left handed bit the size of the bolt shaft but not the threads), drill very slowly (you should be cutting tiny shavings out, going fast will just burn up the bit), and keep the bit lubricated with cutting oil (Rapid Tap is great).
If it's just plastic that it's stripped in, you might be get a knife blade or something under the screw head of hinge. Anything to apply upward pressure so they'll come out while you turn the head.
You said 3 buttons on the JAMMA connector, but the panel is for 6. Typo? or are you using button plugs. I would strongly recommend provisions on the harness for up to 6 buttons. Don't need to use them now, just nice to have in place in case of later changes.
The whole color scheme and theme sounds very classy, can't wait for some pictures. Have you considered ball tops like this:
http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=70&products_id=368
That marquee is awesome too. Using a Dreamcast or emulating that game?
--- Quote from: RyogAkari on April 04, 2012, 06:14:23 pm ---Also Rcade keep me up to date about your JLF mods.
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Just waiting on stuff in the mail. I'm hoping it will be the best thing for shooters, as well as a good general stick for most other genres. Although I love it for fighting games, I don't really like the stock JLF with the square restrictor for anything else. I'm going to try and put both next to each other on my cabinet, and switch between the two with this:
http://www.focusattack.com/jlf-link/
--- Quote from: opt2not on April 04, 2012, 07:45:22 pm ---I didn't ignore your JLF points, I already addressed both of them. Smoother pivot... lever-less microswitches...
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Not at all what I was talking about, I was referring to fixing the shmup shortcomings of the JLF (long engage and throw distances) with custom parts.
--- Quote from: opt2not on April 04, 2012, 07:45:22 pm ---You keep pushing the JLF...
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I'm not pushing the JLF. As I've said, I haven't tested these parts yet, so I don't know if it will work well or not.
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