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paigeoliver:


--- Quote from: DogFish on March 06, 2012, 06:37:50 am ---as far as i could find, no-one has made a 4-player control panel with the outer two controls in-line with front of the control panel. if anyone has used one with that setup, or even seen one with that setup, i'd like to see it. if they regret doing it and it was a horrible decision, i'll happily eat my words.

 :badmood:

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What do you mean by in line with the front of the panel. Do you mean with the joysticks all facing the same way, in that case they all did that. Gauntlet, Simpsons, Ninja Turtles, Quartet, X-Men, etc, etc, etc.

If you meant with all 4 player stations more or less firmly in front of the panel, thenscroll back further in this very thread so see that Gauntlet Legacy showcase style panel.

I have been involved on and off with the mame cabinet community for 11 years. Never once have I heard anyone say they regretted not angling their side sticks in. I have however seen dozens and dozens of people who were smarter than the sticks were and just had to angle their sticks. The best you ever here from them is "Its OK", and usually that is a lie.

The only reason you don't hear people being even more vocal about the mistakes of angling the sticks is that those 3rd and 4th player stations just end up sitting their unused anyway, so the problem doesn't crop up very much.

HaRuMaN:
My player 3 & 4 sticks are not angled.

One of the main reasons: Robotron!  Robotron gets played with the player 3 & player 1 sticks...  imagine if one were angled, and the other one wasn't?  :dizzy:

Vigo:
If he is referring to just that specific octogon 4 player control panels style, he might have a point. I don't know.

Although on my first rig, it was octagonal with the controls all facing up relative to the screen, however I never took any photos or documented it or anything. I also had a test panel with P3 and P4 angled but didn't quite like it. It just felt wrong to me. (Although as I mentioned in an earlier post, I have tried an angled rig that was not bad, which is the reason why I am not totally anti-angling. I still have a mindset that straight joysticks are always the best bet.)



--- Quote from: HaRuMaN on March 06, 2012, 09:28:29 am ---My player 3 & 4 sticks are not angled.

One of the main reasons: Robotron!  Robotron gets played with the player 3 & player 1 sticks...  imagine if one were angled, and the other one wasn't?  :dizzy:

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I always set my Robotron controls on player 1 and 2 to be centered on the screen. I would think that anyone with angled controls could do that if they at least lined up player 1 and 2. However, if anyone wants to partake in some 2 player smash TV with the correct controls, then straight joysticks are an absolute must.

DogFish:
paigeoliver, you seem to have a rather poor grasp of understanding very basic english, so i have drawn up a diagram JUST FOR YOU to explain exactly how i am orienting the sticks and what it is i am trying to avoid, and, what i have never seen an example of.

i will explain this very simply, and very clearly, as if i were explaining it to a child. i will be VERY surprised if you manage to misinterpret it.

there are EIGHT lines i have drawn over this picture,
FOUR over each set of controls.
FOUR over the corresponding edge.

you will notice that the four lines over the controls run parallel with the four lines over the front edge of the control panel.
you will notice that despite the felt marker drawings on the middle two controls, the line for said two controls runs in line with the ledge in front of it. very simple stuff.
will will also notice that the outside 2 controls run parallel with the front the arcade controller, as i have marked with the two lines on each side.

now, if you can show me a controller with the same parallel with the front edge on player 3 and 4 setup, and the owner/maker/player of these controls can attest to it being awkward, i will bake you a damn cake and post it to you.

if you can not, kindly keep your nasty self-righteous comments to your self.

honest opinions are WELCOME and i thank everyone that has helped on my arcade-building journey.
ego-boosting nay-saying is totally un-called for and isn't going to help anyone at all.

paigeoliver:
Sure thing here are a few. I just googled 4 player control panel and these were all on the first page, the vast majority of homemade 4 player panels line the buttons up like you do. I really don't mean to be nasty, but you don't have a new idea, you have an idea that has been well tested and doesn't work well. Lining the buttons up with the edge of the panel is actually a pretty good thing to do (original games normally didn't have the space for that luxury), but rotating the stick around to line up with the buttons, not so much.

I don't want a cake. I am not a child. I have built dozens of mame cabinets. I have owned around 200 original machines. I have a little experience with what we are talking about.

You never see an experience builder angling their sticks. It is always someone on their first project with 15 posts and a control panel layout who long ago got the idea that you were supposed to angle their side sticks because they read it on crapmame and now they can't let it go.

My first project was awful. It was a Capcom bowling cabinet with a 14" monitor in it and I had rigged the original trackball to roll the encoder wheels on one of those Compusa crystal trackball, and the two buttons were rigged up through that and everything else had to be done through the keyboard. Later I tried to build a big jumbo panel on a Defender cabinet (complete with dual gamepad hacks that required me to plug the second one in after I booted to keep them from swapping positions, the sticks may have even been angled, can't remember). I personally made the majority of the mistakes that one can make in this hobby, and my projects didn't start coming together right until I started doing what the more pro builders were doing.

But hey, you win. Your layout solves the problem perfectly. It will never be awkward or troublesome for anyone. You should build it.










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