Nintendo E3 conference impressions

[Howard_Casto]

Well I'm stuck at home today waiting on the window guy to come and do an estimate so I watched the e3 coverage of nintendo.

Ugh.... 

I'm a big fan of Nintendo, but unless something changes between now and next year they might have finally lost me.  I'll just get right to my list of complaints....

Ok no wii titles for the rest of the year except for skyward sword.  I heard that old "my wii is collecting dust" line from haters since the launch, but guess what?  Mine finally is!  I was hoping for at least some third party announcments for wii titles, but it looks like nothing.  And since skyward sword is coming out so late, it might be that the new console is on the horizion by then, which makes me wonder why I would even bother.

3ds... great concept, but thus far all the games are crap, the price is waaaay to high and boht in terms of graphics and gameplay, none of the titles thus-far have offered anything more than what my trusty DS can do.  So I was excited about the announcment about all of these new games coming out for it.  The problem is hardly any of them are new.  We get an OLD zelda, and OLD star fox, several third party REMAKES, and that's about it.

Oh but what about the new mario and kid icarus?  Well KI is looking less and less like a kid icarus game the more they show of it and the voice acting is so terrible that I really wish they would have made poor Pit silent, like Link.  I was really excited about the new Mario, until they showed the footage.  It's not NSMBW with new SMB3 powerups at all.  It's mario galaxy in a tanooki suit!  A tanooki suit that can't fly, I might add.  Why the hell would I want to play a 3d version of mario on a portable?  2d or GTFO!!!

And then comes the info about the new console.  It's mostly terrible.  Even the name is terrible.  Wii U?  Wii I got, I thought that was clever, but Wii U sounds like they are desperately trying to think of something more clever than Wii 2.  The new controller is supposed to be innovative, but all I see is a giant screen that will make the controller heavy, expensive and wide.  Also no thumbsticks, but rather slider wheels, thsoe pieces of crap are for portables that don't have the real estate for a proper thumbstick.  Mind you many of the concepts about playing a full game on the controllers screen and what-not are great, but they haven't announced the resolution of said screen... it might not even be standard def.  Imean there are good things about it, like backwards compatability with all wii controllers and games, but now that developers have a "standard" controller layout again do you think they are going to bother with motion controls anymore?  Also the fact that Nintendo didn't have a single first party game to announced for it made me nervous.  Are they going to draw this out for 2 to 3 years like they did the wii or just release the damn thing?

And then the third party games.  They were good, but not unexpected.  Since the new console is in HD, I expected Ubi, WB and EA to be releasing games on it.  The games they showed, while great, were just sequels of existing franchises though, and didn't utilize any of the console's new features.

So I'm kind of "meh" about this one.  That concerned me more than anything else.  I've been following e3 since the first one and every year nintendo gives me SOMETHING to get excited over.  This year not so much.  Aside from the fact that the console is no longer tethered to the tv (which I'll admit is HUGE) I don't see anything.  Maybe they better go ahead and take the "U" back off. 

[Donkbaca]

I am a nintendo fan but I am getting kind of sick of them my complaints:

1) The controllers get more and more stupid every generation.  The SNES controller was great, then its all gone down hill.  THe N64 controller is big, uncomfortable and constantly broke; the Game Cube one is a disaster, assymetrical, different shaped buttons?  Why?;  The Wii controls are just dumb, not comfortable at all.

2) There are like 10 good games per system.  Seriously.  Why is it that we can get a new Halo every year or so, but we only get a new Zelda when a new console is launched? 

3) innovative controls that go nowhere:  The N64 analog stick constantly broke; the Game cube offered that GBA plug in thing that went nowhere; the wii motion controls were clunky, they release the motion plus and there is still no great games for it.  Wii resort and Wii sports are probably the two best motion control games.  Where is that great baseball game?  Why wasn't there improvements to the madden game?

4) A complete resistance to embrace new technology.  The N64 had to have cartridges; The Gamecube had to have a proprietary disc format; both hurt the gamer by limiting the amount of info that could be stored on a disk.  Then comes the wii, at a time where EVERYONE has a widescreen, HD TV, and there is no HD support, and some games, like Mario Party, don't even have widescreen support!  Yeah, that is totally how I want to play games on my nice HD screen, in standard def, with letterboxed sides, worthless internet connectivity and play. 

Its like the focus is on the gimmicks, not the games.  Instead of giving people what they want; say a fun game with good graphics, they try to seell us on stuff that we don't really care all that much about (3d screens).  They are the Miller Lite of game systems.  Just waiting for the announcement that the Wii U will have a vortex neck and will turn blue when its cold.

[Donkbaca]

Only one game is officially in the works for the system: "Lego City Stories," which Nintendo is developing in partnership with TT Games, the company said.

Yeah, hardcore gamers love lego games.  FAIL

[Vigo]

I have to agree with a lot of your points, Donk, but I have to give some credit where it is due. I am one who likes a bit of innovation in gaming, and hell, Nintendo Wii is the only system to get my wife and parents to play some video games, I don't mind the controller, but mostly because you can use it sideways like a NES controller. The N64 was awesome for the simple reason that it was 4 players, and had great multiplayer games. The gamecube was...erm, well, cube shaped. Everybody loves cubes, right?

The Wii U makes no sense to me at all. Besides it's mind bogglingly horrible name, it seems like it is trying to complete with an iPad or something. Correct me if i'm wrong, but is the controller seems useless without the base system? And WTF is the point of a system where 1 player gets a "special" controller, and the others get something else? Unless you plan on playing gimmicky games all day. Also, look at a profile image of this controller. It is thick!

Specs-wise, they are not even mentioning the important stuff. Will there be Official HDD support? What is the CPU/GPU? Will this thing even stand up to a 360? I have a sinking feeling it will not...


To me, the logical thing to do would be to just give the new Wii seamless 3DS support, because honestly, there isn't much that this pad offers above a 3ds. Then Nintendo can make an "nPad" edition of the 3DS that is specially designed to look good/play better with the new Wii. Bundle them together, and then you get people into both the handheld and console systems at the same time.

[Donkbaca]

Yeah the wife and the grandparents will pick up the wii-mote, but what do they play?  Wii sports bowling?  That's my point, there is a lot of hubbub, the new games with launch show promise and then its a string of duds....

The controller is horrible, too big, will have miserable battery life, will probably only have one that come with the console.  The first $100 controller anyone?

I think what would be sweet is if the ditched the optical drive, had everything be cloud based, or at least have a huge hard drive and let you save games onto the hard drive so that you don't have to swap disks all the time.

I think its a disaster, its going to be too expensive, and people are wary of the gimmicks now.

[Vigo]

Yeah, thats the thing. My parents have their bowling, golf, yoga, tetris, and fishing games. There is no incentive for them to buy a new system. Time for nintendo to cater to people who buy more than one video game system every decade.

My gut tells me that Nintendo could have pulled something brilliant off, but wasted it on this stupid pad. Now just watch Microsoft have the xbox sync up with tablets and pads and do the same thing for half the cost. 

[RyoriNoTetsujin]

Ninty lost me at the N64, and they haven't been able to get me back enough to actually buy a console.  I won't be buying this one, either.  I have enough casuals around me that I'll get to play it if I should ever want to. 

I think the "hardcore" have mostly moved on from Nintendo, and right now I don't really see the casuals making the jump. What's the PRICE? And why does that beast of a controller scream "Fisher-Price: My First Tablet" to me??

They've hung themselves on their gimmicks/"innovation" while lagging behind in terms of current tech standards.  WHY no built-in HDD???  Each gimmick is a bigger gamble than the last, and eventually they're going to pick the wrong horse.  Hello, Virtual Boy...

That said, I believe Nintendo will be able to recover if the Wee-ooo-wee-ooo-wee genuinely fails (yes that's a Kung Pow reference.) 

Then again... Sonic is a Nintendo mascot now.

[Bootay]

I was lost at N64 as well. There were some good N64 titles, but PS1 had way better games. The only advantage N64 had over the rest is no load times. Still an alright console though. Wasn't worth it to me to buy one at the time though. Played it at friends houses.

Gamecube had a couple of games that I liked, but the majority were inferior ports of Xbox/PS2 games. The RE remakes were great, and Luigi's Mansion was decent. Other than that Mario Sunshine wasn't very good. The Zelda game was a decent game but the graphics made me feel like I was playing a child's game.

Wii is pretty lackluster. I like Punch-Out, New Super Mario Bros., and that's about it. I don't even like the bowling anymore. I was bored of that after about a month.

As far as this new Wii is concerned. The only thing I see about it that is cool is the screen can be used much like the Dreamcast's VMU, showing inventory/health without having to switch screen in-game and such. And it's a cool concept to allow the game to play on the controller's screen if you are a child and you only own one TV and the parents want to watch the news or something. Other than that I can see the lcd screen breaking pretty easily and damn does it look uncomfortable to hold. I haven't seen anything but a single screenshot though because I am at work.

[elkameleon]

I have reserved feelings honestly... I love shiny new things, and will probably get it on launch, but I really want to see some great first party games before I start putting away some cash for this beast. Honestly I only want it because Nintendo exclusives are always amazing, and everything else... I'll get it on PC, thank you very much. I do own a PS3, but that is basically for netflix/DVD/bluray.

[Ginsu Victim]

Best game on the Wii is NetFlix - hands down.

Yep...pretty much all I use my Wii for. That and ScummVM.

[Howard_Casto]

Honestly I only want it because Nintendo exclusives are always amazing

Yeah there in lies the problem, the best third party games and even the best first party games from the other companies look like polished dog turds compared to the typical nintendo title.  I have no doubt that THEIR titles will make the best use of the hardware, it's the other guys I worry about.

[Donkbaca]

Yeah, but even those are getting stale. The best zeldas were on the N64. There is only so many times you can re-release Ocarina of time, one would think.  Smash brothers and Mario kart are stale. The Mario sports games went downhill after Mario tennis.... The new Mario brothers are okay I guess, if only because platformers are dead and they are more or less the only ones left.  I guess a lot of people like metroid, though i never got into that franchise much. The nintendo exclusives are also few and far between, and the big thing NintEndo has to get over with me, is the perception that the non-exclusives are inferior ports from other systems

[Howard_Casto]

I hate to correct you, but the best zelda's were on the nes/snes.  N64 ocarina is the most overrated game in the history of overrated games... right up there with Halo.  TP and WW are infinately better than ocarina and it's psuedo sequels.  TP because old-school zelda fans like myself have been waiting for a sequel to the underrated zelda 2 for years and this is the closest we'll ever get.  WW because it took a great risk by essentially ripping the Zelda formula apart and putting it back together in a unique way.  That being said Zelda never gets stale because they only release a main game once every 6 years or so. 

SB was always crap... I'm sorry, but the franchise is an insult to fighter fans everywhere.  For a guy that seems to hate the casual market I would think you would agree with that.  It's not the simple control scheme either, I actually like that idea.  It's the fact that 50-90 percent of the moves are NOT unique to each character.  It reminds be of those horrible DBZ games were all of the characters have the same 5 special moves.   

Yeah Mario Kart is getting weak.... I think it's because they used to put a first string team on it and now it's at the bottom of the heap.  It isn't a main title though.  When I say Nintendo Exclusives I am typically referring to Mario Bros, Zelda, Metroid, (and more recently the Wii_____ games) and not much else.  Their third string stuff is still great, but can be questionable at times mostly due to the fact that they have recently began out-sourcing some of their franchsies to third parties. 

Metroid is a fantastic franchise btw.  If any game doesn't get enough credit, it is the original metroid.  It literally invented the action game.  I will admit that Other M was an aquired taste though.


You know what I would like to see?  A pokemon game on a home console.  Not those lame add-on games like the stadiums either.... a full-on zelda style adventure.

 

I agree with that last bit.  I can remember when the orignal xbox came out and I was so excited because it's graphical capabilites were far superior to the ps2.  Then the games came out and 80-90 percent of the cross-platform ones were inferior ps2 ports ported to the xbox.  I learned my lesson this go around and completely ignored the ps3's claims of superior graphics, knowning that the difference wasn't THAT great and that most of your cross-platform games would be 360 ports anyway.  I saved myself around 300 bucks with that decision. 

I think the one thing the Wii U does have going for it is the fact that developers will pretty much be expected to use some of the new controller's functionality, particularly the screen.  That means they are going to have to tweak the graphics on the ports, which might motivate them to upgrade textures and poly counts while they are at it. 

That fish pond/sparrow demo was pretty damned impressive too.  Of course we all know how tech demos can be mis-leading, so only time will tell.

[amendonz]

i think the success of the original wii has killed gaming (well not KILLED) at the moment. everythings all crappy and casual friendly. because thats where the money is in gaming at the moment... hopefully this trend isn't permanent and we can leave these horrible motion control schemes behind us....i almost feel like microsoft made me look like a chump thinking i was all hardcore playing their xbox, now it looks like i have sesame street minigames and racing games with auto acceleration and braking to look forward too.

[Blanka]

I think the success of the original wii has killed gaming (well not KILLED) at the moment. everythings all crappy and casual friendly. because thats where the money is in gaming at the moment... hopefully this trend isn't permanent

The iPad and Apps make it even worse than the Wii already did.

But when I saw the new WiiU, I fell of my chair LOL! OMG what happened to Nintendo! They return to their Game&Watch period. Crap games as cheap as possible with as many sales as possible.

[Howard_Casto]

i think the success of the original wii has killed gaming (well not KILLED) at the moment. everythings all crappy and casual friendly. because thats where the money is in gaming at the moment... hopefully this trend isn't permanent and we can leave these horrible motion control schemes behind us....i almost feel like microsoft made me look like a chump thinking i was all hardcore playing their xbox, now it looks like i have sesame street minigames and racing games with auto acceleration and braking to look forward too.

I hate to burst your bubble, but motion controls are here to stay.  You don't sell a whole game system for 7 years just on motion controls alone and then have your competators imitate your efforts on just a fad. 

Motion controls are a GREAT THING.  They are far superior to traditional controls, assuming the genre of game is a correct fit.  I remember playing Metroid Prime 3 when it came out and found the setup to be amazing.  To this day it feels like a giant leap backwards any time I play a fps on the 360.  The problem is casual games dominating motion control software selection. 

But you know, in the case of Nintendo, even that isn't too bad.  Find me a person that didn't have a ball with Wii Sports and it's sequels/spin-offs and I'll find you a bald-faced liar. 

Well that and the fact that Sony and M$'s motion control solutions suck.  Sony essentially copied the wii's rig right down to the nunchuck and then forgot to actually support the nunchuck for the fps games, making their solution essentially worthless. 

As for m$, while the kinect is extremely impressive in what it CAN do, what it actually DOES is less than impressive.  That and the fact that the whole concept is flawed.  I don't want to be the controller damnit!  Unless it's a dance game or a boxing game, my avatar on screen is going to have something in his hand.  I need something too!  Also you can't walk around with such a tech without the aid of some kind of physical controller and thus far they haven't released any. 

And they didn't kill gaming.  They SAVED it.  Nintendo, once again, single-handedly saved the gaming industry.  The industry had become stagnant, sales were falling (don't misunderstand, the bottom hadn't fell out or anything, but analysts were predicting a video game crash similar to the one in the early 80's prior to the wii's release if things didn't change), new franchises and ideas were in short supply, ect....  Like it or not, the Wii got developers re-thinking how you make games and more importantly, it got the gaming industry a larger install base, meaning those crappy casual games you hate so much are funding the more involved titles.

See that's my biggest problem with the new wii... the LACK of motion controls.  Sure the new controller has gyros and such, but much like the six-axis, it's wierd shape limits what you can do with it.  Unless I am wrong, the legacy controller support will probably end up like the gamecube controller "support" (note the quotes) that the wii got... in other words next to none.

Of course, I want a proper gamepad as well.  Motion controls aren't for everything.  The new controller kind of ruins the wiimote and the gamepad, which is what bothers me.

And no offense to you personally, but anybody that thinks owning a 360 or ps3 makes them "hardcore" lives in a fantasy world.  Yeah, you bought a FPS box and play the games that 90% of the main "gaming" demographic plays.  You guys are actually the casual players, while people like myself, who play fighters, platformers, obscure japanese shooters, visual novels and ect.. are the "hardcore". 

Don't misunderstand, I have a 360 as well, but that's to play mainstream "casual" games like your Assasin's Creed, and your random generic fps of the week.  All the wierd stuff is on the wii, pc, arcade and dreamcast.   

[elkameleon]

I like turtles...

[Bootay]

I had fun with Wii Sports for about a month. Not sure I would go as far as to say "A BLAST!". I never touch that title when I do turn on the Wii anymore. I don't usually turn the Wii on though. Out of hundreds of games I can only name about 8 that I like. All Nintendo flagship titles.

I do agree with Castro on the motion controls though. It saved gaming on a financial level, and also seeing as MS and Sony both copied, it is not going anywhere. But I don't enjoy playing motion control games personally. There are a few that are decent, and if incorporated right it is alright. I like when they give you the option to NOT use them though. I think all Wii games should give you a choice to turn them off.

As an example, Punch-Out. I am a huge fan of the series. I love the arcade version, the NES and SNES versions. When the Wii version came out I was happy but then thought "Oh no...does this mean I have to play it with those crappy motion controls?"...tried it and sure enough. And I did lousy with the not so very accurate motion controls. Then I found that you could turn them off and TA-DA...the game suddenly became decent. This is just my personal opinion obviously. I am not saying that motion controls are stupid and should go away. I am all for it as long as we have the option to not use them as well. Sometimes I just want to relax and play a game.

And I don't mind games like New Super Mario Bros., where the controls are standard but require motion occasionally to accomplish things. I just hate the games where you have to constantly wave your arms around like an ---uvula---. It gets very old. Ever play Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast??? LOL...not fun.

[Vigo]

Since the Wii didn't get the motion controls right the first time, a metric ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- ton of games got reduced to a stupid "waggle the remote". Now you have to buy special dongles or improved wiimotes just so the thing can do what were were originally promised it could do. I was promised awesome lightsaber duels on the Wii years ago, dammit!

[shmokes]

Seriously . . . Motion Plus should have been treated like a recall, not a separate device that had to be purchased.  Not only would that be correcting the essentially defective hardware, but maybe then Motion Plus would be properly supported by developers (cos everyone would have it).

[Mikezilla]

I hate to correct you, but the best zelda's were on the nes/snes.  N64 ocarina is the most overrated game in the history of overrated games... right up there with Halo.  TP and WW are infinately better than ocarina and it's psuedo sequels.  TP because old-school zelda fans like myself have been waiting for a sequel to the underrated zelda 2 for years and this is the closest we'll ever get.  WW because it took a great risk by essentially ripping the Zelda formula apart and putting it back together in a unique way.  That being said Zelda never gets stale because they only release a main game once every 6 years or so.

Ok Howard, you and I havent seen eye to eye on too many things even though we are both Nintendo fans but is there a gas leak in your house or soemthing? How the HELL can you say that Wind Waker was infinitely better than Ocarina?! Im not saying that it wasnt bad, but it pales in comparison to Ocarina of Time. It is not overrated at all IMO. Youre right, it took a great risk, and there wasnt a pay off. The visuals were a joke, and I spent half my time riding around the ocean in a stupid boat getting motion sickness. Oh, and need I mention Tingle? 

But I do agree with you on Metroid being awesome. Pick up one of the Prime games and tell me you dont like it. My favorite by far is Super Metroid though, its one of my all time favorite games.

[Mikezilla]

Ok no wii titles for the rest of the year except for skyward sword.  I heard that old "my wii is collecting dust" line from haters since the launch, but guess what?  Mine finally is!  I was hoping for at least some third party announcments for wii titles, but it looks like nothing.  And since skyward sword is coming out so late, it might be that the new console is on the horizion by then, which makes me wonder why I would even bother.

Ok this pisses me off. Its only June! See. That just blows. Im not going to buy this stupid new wii just for that reason. Besides, what else is there to play besides mario, metroid (barely, other M sucked) and Zelda(which will be released on the wii, then probably ported to the Wii u with better visuals). Im kinda getting over it. And why the hell do we have to wait for a new Zelda every time a system lanuches? I wish Mario Galaxy didnt give me motion sickness, I didnt even get to play that. 

[somunny]

And no offense to you personally, but anybody that thinks owning a 360 or ps3 makes them "hardcore" lives in a fantasy world.  Yeah, you bought a FPS box and play the games that 90% of the main "gaming" demographic plays.  You guys are actually the casual players, while people like myself, who play fighters, platformers, obscure japanese shooters, visual novels and ect.. are the "hardcore". 

   Glad to see we can still count on your ego maniacal buffoonery for entertainment.

[amendonz]

Lol. I primarily play fighters you fool. Try 3 hours a night of either ssf4 on xbox or super turbo on my cab. Cps2 hardware no emu crap. Hardcore enough? Argh

[Howard_Casto]

Lol. I primarily play fighters you fool. Try 3 hours a night of either ssf4 on xbox or super turbo on my cab. Cps2 hardware no emu crap. Hardcore enough? Argh

Don't call me a fool you fool.  Well then if you play fighters then you obviously have a wii for T vs C so why are you badmouthing it so?

[amendonz]

tvc is a terrible fighting game and represents in a way how bad casual friendly games are even taking over genres that were traditionally hardcore.

[danny_galaga]

Well, since this thread seems to be about hating on the Wii, I'll address the balance a little. I think it's an awesome little machine. Favourite exclusives on there include House of the Dead:Overkill, Mad World and Monster Hunter Tri. Awesome games (",)

I also enjoy Call of Duty: World at War. I dig actually waving a gun at the screen when I'm pretending to be a soldier.

On the new console, I'm not so sure, but I imagine Nintendo must have some idea of what they're doing. Their only real blunder in the past was the Virtual Boy, no?

[Vigo]

Well, since this thread seems to be about hating on the Wii, I'll address the balance a little. I think it's an awesome little machine. Favourite exclusives on there include House of the Dead:Overkill, Mad World and Monster Hunter Tri. Awesome games (",)

I also enjoy Call of Duty: World at War. I dig actually waving a gun at the screen when I'm pretending to be a soldier.

+1. I actually really like shooters on the Wii. It seems to be much more accurate controls than a regular old gamepad. The lightgun feature is probably one of the best perks of the Wii.

[BurgerKingDiamond]

RE4 was awesome for PS2, but even better for the Wii.

I got rid of my Wii a couple years ago and probably only bought 3-4 games for it.

Motion conrols work in a game like RE4, but unfortunately they are used like crap most of the time.

[ChadTower]

And here I thought the hardcore gamers were people whose online avatar was a picture of their balls.

[DaveMMR]

Well, since this thread seems to be about hating on the Wii, I'll address the balance a little. I think it's an awesome little machine. Favourite exclusives on there include House of the Dead:Overkill, Mad World and Monster Hunter Tri. Awesome games (",)

I also enjoy Call of Duty: World at War. I dig actually waving a gun at the screen when I'm pretending to be a soldier.

On the new console, I'm not so sure, but I imagine Nintendo must have some idea of what they're doing. Their only real blunder in the past was the Virtual Boy, no?

Thanks for adding that. The Wii IS NOT a bad system at all. Yeah, tons upon tons of crap. But there are some really good exclusives.

People bitched about New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Meanwhile, many have been clamoring for a retro 2-D Mario title and got one. I think it's a great game - must own. Donkey Kong Country Returns? Hard, but well done. The Metro Prime Collection (if you can find it) is a great package. Let's add No More Heroes (okay no longer exclusive but still), Madworld, Super Mario Galaxies and some downloadable titles like Dr. Mario (my GF plays that constantly). There's enough "must owns" on the system. Even when it collects dust, I like knowing I can fire it up at any time.

But here's the problem with Nintendo, to expand on Howard's points: they reinvigorated the gaming business in America and may have this stubbornness because of it. It may be an ego thing, who knows? But when competitors are advancing the technology, Nintendo sits back with a frumpy look and a dismissive tone reminding the consumers who kick-started this title wave of a billion dollar industry back when we were burying ET cartridges in the desert. Sony's got CD-Roms, DVD-Roms, HD? Feh. Gamers don't need that. We know what they want. Sega's got a modem in their console? Gamers don't want to play online. Microsoft has great graphics? We were making billions with 8-bits. And so on.

I can sort of understand some of their decisions. They were very afraid of piracy since the days of the Famicom Disc Drive (whose games were heavily pirated). That's why they stuck to cartridges and proprietary discs. They very much want to be the "Disney" of gaming. This is why the insane censorship (until they wanted that MKII money), Friend codes and simple graphics.

That being said, I've accepted Nintendo's weirdness. I still like them, but have always had a wait-and-see attitude with their systems since the N64. And so far, I've bought every one they've put out, save for the Virtual Boy (I waited and saw, and passed) and the 3DS (still too early and I don't play handheld games all that much anyhow). I'm taking the same stance with the Wii U. It's too early for me to comment on how that's turning out.