XBMC available for Apple TV

[BobA]

For those who like XBMC some very good news.

Wired Article

Working Link for Seasonpass

[ark_ader]

For those who like XBMC some very good news.

Wired Article

Working Link for Seasonpass

Naughty Boy!

Supplying links for dodgy software!

[Grasshopper]

Naughty Boy!

Supplying links for dodgy software!

I don't get it. Why's it dodgy?

[crashwg]

Naughty Boy!

Supplying links for dodgy software!

I can only assume you're referring to the jailbreaking of the Apple TV.  It's not "dodgy" according to the U.S. Copyright Office...
http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20011824-85.html

[ark_ader]

It might be isn't legal in the US or in the UK, or anywhere else this website is accessible from.

That is why we practice a word called restraint.  It might be neat to post it, but do you have the right to post it from Saint's website?

What?  Its legal for iphone?  Is it legal for AppleTV?  Have you looked?

Is it fine for me to start publishing links to hacking software?  I do not think so and if you did it on my website without my permission you WOULD get a life ban.

I'm all for free speech and everything, but I am also for common sense.  

Here is the link for the ruling.  And the iphone ruling is not just for iphones but could be used for any wireless device, but you will see that the AppleTV is not wireless and is not the same. [/spoiler]

http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2010/Librarian-of-Congress-1201-Statement.html

Yeah I know it sounds like its the same considering it is iOS and everything, it is not and could land anyone caught in hot water.

It is my experience not to tempt the genie out of the bottle, especially Apple.

I have looked at this copyright statement again, and it looks like they changed the ruling on computer software archiving.  It seems:
(4) Video games accessible on personal computers and protected by technological protection measures that control access to lawfully obtained works, when circumvention is accomplished solely for the purpose of good faith testing for, investigating, or correcting security flaws or vulnerabilities, if:

    (i) The information derived from the security testing is used primarily to promote the security of the owner or operator of a computer, computer system, or computer network; and
    (ii) The information derived from the security testing is used or maintained in a manner that does not facilitate copyright infringement or a violation of applicable law.


Puts a real glimmer of hope of the legality of Mame now, considering that security testing was not a goal for circumvention, or maybe I should be more adoptive with this.

5) Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete.  A dongle shall be considered obsolete if it is no longer manufactured or if a replacement or repair is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace....

Well I can crack open those 2600 and C64 carts now.  Neogeo?

Could all change in 3 years though...

[Samstag]

Holy crap the AppleTV is only $100?  It has fewer features than most other network media players so I just assumed apple would be asking at least $200 for it.

For that price and the possibility of running xbmc on it I might buy my first apple product.

[BobA]

As far as I know it only allows you to run the software that you want on an Apple product sort of like running Linux on a computer that comes with a MS op system.  XBMC in its present config is perfectly legal and extends the capabilities of a product that some makers have obviously crippled.   

However that being said,  Saint or any Mod please send this post to Hell if required.   

[RayB]

In Canada it's not illegal to jailbreak or back up media you legally own.

[Donkbaca]

Everybody knows apple purposely leaked this as a way to sell more apple tvs and get publicity before there annual announcements. Duh

[Blanka]

Cool, it's for the little one!
Too bad is does not have composite. I'm one of those idiots who's happy with a 21 inch CRT for television, as it is rock solid, still delivers the best image for regular PAL broadcasts, and environmental friendly as it only uses 45 watt in operation. The Apple TV could have been cool for all console emulators and accidental youtubing, the only stuff I miss from my TV.

[Gray_Area]

Is everyone...or anyone....else seeing that weird blanking of content in ark_ader's posts?

I looked up XMBC a while back, but found it wasn't really being supported anymore. What do any of you like about/want with it?

[opt2not]

Is everyone...or anyone....else seeing that weird blanking of content in ark_ader's posts?

Hover your mouse cursor over it. It's the "spoiler hiding" feature.

[BobA]

Is everyone...or anyone....else seeing that weird blanking of content in ark_ader's posts?

I looked up XMBC a while back, but found it wasn't really being supported anymore. What do any of you like about/want with it?

You must be thinking about the original XBOX XBMC.  It is only supported by an offshoot group as it was dropped by the originators.  XBMC is alive and well at http://xbmc.org/  Some people really like its features and looks for their media centers.

[Gray_Area]

I think I rememeber now. I wanted the Confluence skin, and the 'download' text is not a link.

[gaijinking]

I bought one of these with a leftover birthday Amazon gift card before I realized that the hacks/implements were only a week fresh. My first though was "Wow, this almost the size of two iphones mating." But as I studied on what was needed to install XBMC on it, i stumbled across this: http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=91581
a sizable list of limitations, and posts about how sluggish it handles. So I guess it still very early days on this one. And sadly for me, the biggest appeal was getting it all to work on a 720p display. I know everyone is all jazzed about 1080p, but I gotta say for a 37" panasonic plasma, 720p is all i really need right now. However, until I tried hooking an ati5770 up to it on my media server. At native panel resolution of 1024 x 768 the computer sees it as a 4:3 display so everthing looks squashed, or if i switch it to 720p it looks blurry. I just don't understand how the Apple TV can see my funky res 720p just fine, or my Xbox360 looks fantastic streaming Netflix, but my ATi card just can't support the funky native resolution of the screen. Maybe i'll hold on the the Apple TV until the current XBMC issues get solved, and then I could possibly just use it to stream files to the tv. At least until I upgrade to a new 65" 1080p next year.

[Blanka]

Just let the Ati think it is a 720x1280 display. Your TV wil rescale it to 1024x768

[gaijinking]

Hey Blanka,
yeah, I tried 720p 50hz and 60hz but it just looks blurry and washed out.  1080i works, but I can only get it to sync at 30hz, and it just doesn't look right. My other Hyperspin box didn't have this problem, but my newer setup with the ATi 5770 looks like garbage in all the "supported modes." I finally figured out a slight work around- I connect it using an hdmi to dvi cable (hdmi in to the TV with DVI into the video card) and Catalyst somehow auto detects it as a 1920 x 1080 display @ 60hz. But it's still not sharp and clear until I switch the desktop res through Windows7 to 1680 x 1050, and bingo it looks great! Catalyst still sees it as 1920 x 1080, but somehow Windows is scaling it in a way that fits the funky resolution of the 720p plasma. Still, I don't get why I have to do some crazy work around to get it to scale right. If an xbox, wii, and a multitude of other devices can scale perfectly to it, why can't the ATi driver see it right? I've also tried power stip and it only makes things worse. I was about ready to swap the video card out until I discovered the above work around. Anyhow, now I've got XBMC working beautifully! And I can't wait to get Hyperspin up and running- was going to wait for 2.0 to be released. Nonetheless, I do hope XBMC on Apple TV matures in the future. I'd love to get one for friends or family who don't need a full blown HTPC. And since it runs on iOS, once they get Cydia running on it, I'm sure it will be able to handle MAME4all just as well as the iPad. Could be fun to hack a wii-mote to joystick for emulators. Let me know if anyone has any luck with their Apple TV?

[jamesjones626]

It might be isn't legal in the US or in the UK, or anywhere else this website is accessible from.

That is why we practice a word called restraint.  It might be neat to post it, but do you have the right to post it from Saint's website?

What?  Its legal for iphone?  Is it legal for AppleTV?  Have you looked?

Is it fine for me to start publishing links to hacking software?  I do not think so and if you did it on my website without my permission you WOULD get a life ban.

I'm all for free speech and everything, but I am also for common sense.  

Here is the link for the ruling.  And the iphone ruling is not just for iphones but could be used for any wireless device, but you will see that the AppleTV is not wireless and is not the same.

http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2010/Librarian-of-Congress-1201-Statement.html

Yeah I know it sounds like its the same considering it is iOS and everything, it is not and could land anyone caught in hot water.

It is my experience not to tempt the genie out of the bottle, especially Apple.

I have looked at this copyright statement again, and it looks like they changed the ruling on computer software archiving.  It seems:

(4) Video games accessible on personal computers and protected by technological protection measures that control access to lawfully obtained works, when circumvention is accomplished solely for the purpose of good faith testing for, investigating, or correcting security flaws or vulnerabilities, if:

    (i) The information derived from the security testing is used primarily to promote the security of the owner or operator of a computer, computer system, or computer network; and
    (ii) The information derived from the security testing is used or maintained in a manner that does not facilitate copyright infringement or a violation of applicable law.


Puts a real glimmer of hope of the legality of Mame now, considering that security testing was not a goal for circumvention, or maybe I should be more adoptive with this:

5) Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete.  A dongle shall be considered obsolete if it is no longer manufactured or if a replacement or repair is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace....

Well I can crack open those 2600 and C64 carts now.  Neogeo?

Could all change in 3 years though...

lmao!  someone got all buthurt

[BobA]

XBMC gets and update XBMC Article

[ark_ader]

XBMC gets and update XBMC Article

Yeah and this is similar to this thread:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=109456.0

[shmokes]

It's so strange how links to these illegal jailbreaks are showing up all over mainstream websites, with nary a cease and desist in sight.  Not the least of which being greenpois0n.com, a site registered in Arizona.  Why oh why has Apple not shut them down?  Maybe Apple just can't afford to hire a lawyer.

[ark_ader]

It's so strange how links to these illegal jailbreaks are showing up all over mainstream websites, with nary a cease and desist in sight.  Not the least of which being greenpois0n.com, a site registered in Arizona.  Why oh why has Apple not shut them down?  Maybe Apple just can't afford to hire a lawyer.

Maybe they are waiting for a golden opportunity like a sap dumb enough, to taunt them into make an example of.

Remember Shmokes you have not read that link I provided nor the obvious breakdown of the statements from the Library of Congress as listed in the above thread. Otherwise you would have realised that the Statement absolves those who provide the service to jailbreak iPhones.

Perhaps you like to promote your ignorance to the whole world via your online pseudonym.

At least I have the education to admit when I am wrong, maybe you need to study up on that.   

[Donkbaca]

The library of congress "ruling" you cite is just commentary regarding copyright law. How does that apply here? What copyright is being infringed on? Nobody is ripping off Apple code as far ad I know

[ark_ader]

The library of congress "ruling" you cite is just commentary regarding copyright law. How does that apply here? What copyright is being infringed on? Nobody is ripping off Apple code as far ad I know

Really?  Just commenting? 

[shmokes]

It's so strange how links to these illegal jailbreaks are showing up all over mainstream websites, with nary a cease and desist in sight.  Not the least of which being greenpois0n.com, a site registered in Arizona.  Why oh why has Apple not shut them down?  Maybe Apple just can't afford to hire a lawyer.

Maybe they are waiting for a golden opportunity like a sap dumb enough, to taunt them into make an example of.

Yes, I'm sure that's it.  They don't want to go after people creating or distributing the jailbreaks.  Cos, like, all they're losing now is millions and millions of dollars.  They're just biding their time until they can find a golden opportunity to teach someone a lesson for taunting them.  Cos Apple hates taunting.