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Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---So you basically admit, your friendship group is a niece group, with very specific backgrounds and demands, which don't reflect the majority of normal people.
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 Firstly, niche as in "Arcade / Game" interested people are the exact kinds of people who use mame.
( A person usually finds mame, because of a passion for an old machine they used to love and play the hell out of)

 2ndly, its not the only type of people I hang with.  Its just an example of the types of people who are more passionate about games.  The people who it actually matters to.

 There are THOUSANDS of arcade games out there... and do you know where they went?  To peoples homes.  Thats right.  Imagine 8000 machines of One type of game, and they are all in peoples homes.  Then imagine that there have been games released for the last +50 years, and almost all have made it to someones home.

 The sheer number of gamers out there is Staggering.  Yet, because you have only met a certain type of people, that do not have machines or the same passions... you make the assumptions that the majority is the same as you have seen locally within your click.

 Its simply not the case.  ESPECIALLY when talking lightguns.  A Lot of people grew up using them, and want them for the pc... weather it be for mame or console emulation.  Also, theres a difference between want and have too. Plenty of people want Ram Controls new Starwars controller remake... but not everyone has the $300 to grab it.

 Be aware, your grasp on the game playing enthusiast is extremely limited at best.
(Especially for being on this site... which hosts thousands of game related projects)

Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---That's why, instead of trying to make the mainstream version of MAME suit your very specific needs,
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 Specific needs?  You mean 'Arcade Accuracy"  ???

 One thought the goal was to preserve arcade accuracy & experience... which includes arcade controls...

 That shouldnt be a separate version of mame.  In fact, mame should expand in a way to show people more history about these games.  As you listed, many people dont know T2 was a pot based game.   A simple picture of the bottom of the control panel may help with that, in addition to a line of text or two... as well as the possible separated controller mappings. (arcade -vs- user modified)

 The goal of the project should be about complete preservation, not about, "Well, the majority of young people I know dont even play 720.... so screw it".

Haze:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 14, 2010, 03:33:30 pm ---
--- Quote ---So you basically admit, your friendship group is a niece group, with very specific backgrounds and demands, which don't reflect the majority of normal people.
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 Firstly, niche as in "Arcade / Game" interested people are the exact kinds of people who use mame.
( A person usually finds mame, because of a passion for an old machine they used to love and play the hell out of)

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The vast majority of people I know who use MAME to play games use it because they want to get an idea of what games used to be like, or played some on Xbox live, such a sequel / remake to something and wanted to play the original.

Most people who were actually playing these things back in the day aren't that interested at all, they have families to support, and little time for MAME / emulation at all.  This is evident from the lack of developers too (and the reasons developers have given for leaving the project)

None of them care if they're using a mouse instead of a gun, or an analog joystick on an xbox pad instead of a crazy 49-way controller.  They're probably rather happy that MAME just works, out the box, by default, and doesn't have a ton of bewildering options.  I am also happy with this situation because it make it far easier for me to develop and work with the project.

The rest of the people I know who use MAME use it to help with repairs and such, for which again, they consider the team to be doing a decent job.  This group don't care about *playing* the games in MAME, so again, don't care what inputs MAME supports, as long as they can use it as a debugging tool for their hardware.

You greatly overestimate your own importance, people who who want to use MAME, but with the original controls are a tiny, tiny minoirty.  Most people who want original controls use the original hardware.

Arcades are dead, because the number of people wanting to use them pales in insignificance compared to average people using PCs and modern gaming machines.

You are confusing your idea of 'arcade accuracy' with that of the devs.  Your views clearly do not agree with what the devs view as important, at all.  If your views disagree with that of the developers involved, then yes, they very much belong in a different project, a separate version of MAME, or whatever else.  There are no license restrictions that prevent this.




SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on November 14, 2010, 02:01:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 14, 2010, 01:30:50 pm --- If i had only had a programmers brain

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It's about two posts after this that I got tired of reading this.

Once Saint closes the thread, I'll be more than happy to read the Cliff Notes.


--- Quote from: Haze on November 14, 2010, 09:02:50 am ---...the dev team which is as good as dead anyway.  

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Am I the only one that's mildly concerned about this?

Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---The vast majority of people I know who use MAME to play games use it because they want to get an idea of what games used to be like, or played some on Xbox live, such a sequel / remake to something and wanted to play the original.

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 Exactly.  It shows your age bracket.  You didnt grow up in the days of the massive arcades.. and the people you know are the same bracket of people... who are Clueless.

 You, like most younger gens, think the world revolves around you.  You think that you are the majority... because the older gen is somehow vanished from existence! lol 

 What do you think happened to all those people who grew up playing with the nintendo zapper?  Or Area 51 in the arcades?  Do you think they forgot all that?!  Did they Die already?!


--- Quote ---Most people who were actually playing these things back in the day aren't that interested at all, they have families to support, and little time for MAME / emulation at all.  This is evident from the lack of developers too.
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 Developing for mame, and having an interest and playing games are completely different things.  In fact, I know plenty of older men like myself, who have extreme passion for their game hobby.   From collecting old consoles & games... to actual machines.   In fact, they have more money now then they did back in the day when they were kids popping their parents quarters into the machines.

 And yes, they Make time for their passions.  Family & or Business, it doesnt matter.  They find ways to get back their youthful experiences.


--- Quote ---None of them care if they're using a mouse instead of a gun, or an analog joystick on an xbox pad instead of a crazy 49-way controller.  They're probably rather happy that MAME just works, out the box, by default, and doesn't have a ton of bewildering options.
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 Exactly.  Why would they care if a game used a spinner?  They dont even know what it is.  And when they go to play a spinner game and its completely uncontrollable... they will write off the game as useless crap.  Instead of being a great treasured game that it is... when its played using the correct controller.

 However, there are those who Do want to know, and Would care, if they knew, and If say the xbox released a spinner attachment.

 In fact, many who come to this very site have stared off clueless, and not so appreciated in real controls and games they didnt play in the past... and have done a 180, and bought a spinner or various other controller... and now enjoy the games as they were intended to be enjoyed.   This extends to simple things like using a real wico 8 way leaf switch joystick for Robotron (the game is unplayable without it).

I am also happy with this situation because it make it far easier for me to develop and work with the project.

 - But it completely devalues the thing you are trying to preserve.  Its like taking a Lamborghini, and only preserving the engine.  Then controlling that car engine with an xbox thumb stick.  Its pathetic, and the opposite of what should be done.  Its completely the WRONG Attitude to have about preservation.


The rest of the people I know who use MAME use it to help with repairs and such, for which again, they consider the team to be doing a decent job.

 - Id say there are less people using mame for repairs is extremely limited at best.  Most the repair men have figured out how to fix games well before mame, and might only at best use mame for finding a romset.

 This group don't care about *playing* the games in MAME, so again, don't care what inputs MAME supports, as long as they can use it as a debugging tool for their hardware.

 - What kind of person repairs arcade pcbs and has no passion for games?  I know many game repair men, and most all of them have some real machines, if not entire basements filled with them.


--- Quote ---You greatly overestimate your own importance, people who who want to use MAME, but with the original controls are a tiny, tiny minoirty.  Most people who want original controls use the original hardware.
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 - My own importance?!  You mean, my idea about correct preservation?!
You are a complete ignorant idiot man.  No doubt about that.


--- Quote ---You are confusing your idea of 'arcade accuracy' with that of the devs.  Your views clearly do not agree with what the devs view as important, at all.
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 - There is no "my idea".  There is either accurate, or Not accurate / not preserved.

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