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Grasshopper:
It's a real shame this initially interesting thread has descended into a flame war. Some people here are being way too sensitive.

I'm sure all of us recognise the huge amount of work and talent that has gone into creating MAME and appreciate it. It really doesn't need to be said as it's self-evident. But that doesn't mean we should feel inhibited from speaking out when we feel the MAME developers have made a mistake. On the contrary. If we don't give them feedback then how are the faults in the program going to be identified? Ultimately we all want the same thing which is for MAME to be as good as it can possibly be.

Broadly speaking, I agree with abaraba and Xiaou2. It makes no sense to disable the third button if the hardware (and software) supports it. If people don't want to use the third button then it could easily be disabled by changing the keymapping settings.

Haze:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 14, 2010, 02:51:58 pm --- And how many people do you know?  heh    Now you know me, and guess what? I have 2 LCDTopguns, (and 2 crappy actlabs guns I wish Id never bought).  A lot of people who would like guns, dont have the money right away... or are not even sure they work well with mame.  That does not mean that people Like to play gun games with a mouse.  In fact, try playing pointblank with a mouse, and see how pathetic you do.  You wont get Anywhere in that game with a mouse... so its Pointless to even try playing it.  T2 is the only game you could justify playing with a mouse, because it was a pot based game... and where extreme accuracy & speed are not a necessity.

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Sorry, you're just some forum troll, I don't know you in person, to my knowledge I've never met you, not even once.

I do however know plenty of actual people, normal flesh and blood people, who use MAME, none of them with guns.  Some with a wiimote hacked to act like a mouse, but that's the limit.


Haze:

--- Quote from: Haze on November 14, 2010, 03:00:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 14, 2010, 02:51:58 pm --- And how many people do you know?  heh    Now you know me, and guess what? I have 2 LCDTopguns, (and 2 crappy actlabs guns I wish Id never bought).  A lot of people who would like guns, dont have the money right away... or are not even sure they work well with mame.  That does not mean that people Like to play gun games with a mouse.  In fact, try playing pointblank with a mouse, and see how pathetic you do.  You wont get Anywhere in that game with a mouse... so its Pointless to even try playing it.  T2 is the only game you could justify playing with a mouse, because it was a pot based game... and where extreme accuracy & speed are not a necessity.

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Sorry, you're just some forum troll, I don't know you in person, to my knowledge I've never met you, not even once.

I do however know plenty of actual people, normal flesh and blood people, who use MAME, none of them with guns.  Some with a wiimote hacked to act like a mouse, but that's the limit.


--- Quote ---As you say, its a Team effort... and if that means that nobody on the team is working on a certain area... either you all should take parts of that work and divy it up... or that area isnt going to improve.   And if that is the case... Which it is... then you cant expect people to be happy with the end result... and will have opinions similar or exactly like the ones I post... even if they are not voiced.

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and again this is where you seem to be confusing MAME for some commercial product, with actual deadlines (and even in commercial products features get dropped _all the time_ if there is nobody to work on them)

you're right, that area isn't going to improve, and no amount of bitching will change that.  Just because the overall goal is preservation and documentation of the systems doesn't mean you're going to get devs bending over and working outside the parts of the code they're comfortable with to achieve that.  You *can't* just split the workload, the best you can do is suggest suitable projects to different people, and more often than not they won't work on them anyway.

as for the overall debate, do I think all 3 buttons should be available, yes, as a matter of fact I do, I think it was a pretty ridiculous change, however, enough evidence was presented at the time to make it, and despite claims of others, I don't simply go about reverting other peoples code / submissions without reason.

Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---I do however know plenty of actual people, normal flesh and blood people, who use MAME, none of them with guns.  Some with a wiimote hacked to act like a mouse, but that's the limit.

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 And I know people in-person also.  Some who have Guns, or want them in the future.

 In fact, Id gather I know more passionate people in the arcade community in-person than you ever will.  Ive hung with various game collectors, who have Real machines as well as mame machines, and pinball machines... as well as the older electromechanical machines such as the old Ball Bowlers & EM gun games.

 I also worked as an Arcade Manager for Namco for 3yrs. In addition, Ive gotten email responses from developers like Owen Rubin, and Jamie Fenton.

 Ive hung out with the guy who created Videotopia, Jeff Anderson.  As we dumped the remaining 2 roms for TX-1 that were said to be needed... and he bought the TX-1 off of me.

 Ive been to game auctions/shows, pinball shows, and places like Funspot (largest classic arcade still standing), all of where Ive met some great people, who feel the same type of passion that I share about games.

Haze:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 14, 2010, 03:17:53 pm ---
--- Quote ---I do however know plenty of actual people, normal flesh and blood people, who use MAME, none of them with guns.  Some with a wiimote hacked to act like a mouse, but that's the limit.

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 And I know people in-person also.  Some who have Guns, or want them in the future.

 In fact, Id gather I know more passionate people in the arcade community in-person than you ever will.  Ive hung with various game collectors, who have Real machines as well as mame machines, and pinball machines... as well as the older electromechanical machines such as the old Ball Bowlers & EM gun games.

 I also worked as an Arcade Manager for Namco for 3yrs. In addition, Ive gotten email responses from developers like Owen Rubin, and Jamie Fenton.

 Ive hung out with the guy who created Videotopia, Jeff Anderson.  As we dumped the remaining 2 roms for TX-1 that were said to be needed... and he bought the TX-1 off of me.

 Ive been to game auctions/shows, pinball shows, and places like Funspot (largest classic arcade still standing), all of where Ive met some great people, who feel the same type of passion that I share about games.

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So you basically admit, your friendship group is a niece group, with very specific backgrounds and demands, which don't reflect the majority of normal people.

That's why, instead of trying to make the mainstream version of MAME suit your very specific needs, you should let it be what it is, you're in a minority.  If you want your changes you'd be better finding somebody to work on them in unofficial builds.

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