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CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 13, 2010, 09:17:28 pm ---Also, anyone who uses the term ---meecrob---, is low extremely low class, and out the think about the meaning of the words that fly out of their mouths.

 A lot of woman would be extremely upset to hear or read such a word being used as an insult.  Its simple feminine hygiene.  Your girls and wives probably use it without you even knowing it.  It does not mean a woman is 'dirty' for using it... and it has no basis as being used as a negative insult.

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I have a wife, 3 sisters and a daughter.

I KNOW what a ---meecrob--- is.

I also know what a Xiaou2 is.

garnerb350:
 :laugh2:

Haze:

--- Quote from: pinballjim on November 14, 2010, 08:59:01 am ---
--- Quote from: Haze on November 14, 2010, 07:46:58 am ---Luigi is not a MAME developer

--- End quote ---

Neither are you.


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and that is relevant how?  I have no desire to be an official part of the dev team which is as good as dead anyway.  My point is that people are bitching about the dev team over a change which didn't even come from the dev team.  People are also bitching about the dev team because apparently changes from outside the dev team are always ignored / overlooked.

The very same people are bitching about both cases!

See the issue?

Anyway, as I said, from where I'm sitting the project looks stone dead, you have your wish.  (and FYI given that I still have an account and access to the official, private MAME SVN server your claim is stretching it anyway)

To my knowledge nobody is working on anything interesting, there have been no noteworthy changes in the last 5 days, and relatively simple tasks aren't even being performed so good luck in trying to convince anybody to make major functional changes adding new & useful features.  A feeler mail out to the actual dev team yielded no results, so I'd say at this point it's pretty much up to the community to further the project which based on posts here you should be more than capable of doing.

Xiaou2:
So what you are saying, is that its too hard to actually preserve games as they should be preserved... and so just forget about it.

 And then you are trying to say, that because people who have passion for these games gets angered at mames "Pick and Choose"  attitudes of Importance,
that they will get all bent out of shape and quit.

 
--- Quote ---My point is that people are bitching about the dev team over a change which didn't even come from the dev team.
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 The decision to accept that, was from the Devs, as was the choice to make certain games mono, even though they had a stereo feed that could be easily tapped into with a real pcb.

 Its understandable that we do not want people to mistake that the 3rd button was part of the experience.  And geez, lets not forget to drill it into peoples minds that some companies wanted to skimp on speakers, and made a stereo game mono. However... when you open up ANY mame game, go into the controller options... you are barraged with more control options than existed in the game.
 
 Who would know, without looking at a games manual, what the game really used?  Is it optical, analog, or digital? Mame can use them all - even if the game didnt intend that... which is ok... BUT, it should be in some way differentiated so that the user understands what is what.
 
 You could solve this as easy as changing the font color of things that were not original to the cabinet.  You could add it to the Cheat engine (it being things like the 3rd button).  You could enforce the controller defined rules (trackball = mouse).   You could add a sub menu under controls as "ALT Controls" (Alternate control configuration).


 Mames biggest problem seem like there is little forethought about the future.  Its why entire sections of the main code are re-coded over and over again...  and yet still, there are things which dont work, dont fit, arnt accessible, arnt being preserved / preserved well... etc.

 People who love these games are not going to be happy about loss or lack of.  Heck, even developers of the ORIGINAL MACHINES, would be ticked off at things like "changed game to mono sound to better emulate the released cabinet".
If the very guy who composed the stereo tracks in a game has no option to hear his masterworks, how do you think he would react & feel?
 
 Mame solution:  If you dont like it, learn to code like us.  

 Which is utter BS, and everyone, including the Devs know it.
Especially when most of the precious PCBs come from fellow game loving donators, the actual game developers, collectors, etc.

 Much of the stuff that people ask for is dead simple compared to the challenges that a Dev has encountered trying to emulate something.  Maybe it would take them 15 minutes to fix / install.  Which again, is another reason why people get upset.

CheffoJeffo:
That is complete and utter ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- Xiaou2!

The entire point of an open project like MAME is that everybody *can* contribute. If you can't contribute, other than to have repeated hissy fits, then STFU or learn how to contribute.

The people who are contributing are doing FAR more than the people who whine and ---smurfette---. Even a non-MAME guy like me can see the obvious truth of that statement. Haze and I don't agree on certain issues (or, we could, if there was a legal and economical way to accomodate what he will view as my transgressions), but I would never deign to cross over and criticize him for what he has done, unless I had walked that same path.

The problem that you have is that the nice folks who ACTUALLY DO THE WORK won't do what you say simply because you say it.

We have both contributed to the dumping projects (which, other than coding, is about the only way the rest of us can contribute to MAME), and I expect that I have contributed more in that regard than you have (despite my being low class  :afro:). The difference is that I don't expect them to do what I say any more than I expect saint to do what I say because I contribute here.

You will be the first person, and be 100% correct in saying so, that preserving the interfaces (e.g. the actual controls used) is important. Then, in the same breath, you are happy to ---smurfette--- about something as trivial as MONO vs STEREO or this stupid discussion about a 3rd button that never existed in the arcade (I am curious how the OP is going to wire up that 3rd button on the board he just bought ... but he has a bigger problem with that Popeye board, audio amplification and video inversion).

You, supposedly, managed an arcade.

As such, you should understand the economics of the business. Most games released in the time period you are talking about were conversions, not dedicated cabinets. The conversion standard was JAMMA, which did not include stereo.

WTF are you bitching about something that was never experienced by 99.5% of people in arcades, including yourself ?

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