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Yie Ar Kung-Fu has THREE buttons, not TWO!?!

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Gray_Area:

--- Quote from: Siris on November 14, 2010, 02:20:12 am ---No, you are whining!

That is the whole point of your argument.

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Do you think he's whining because of what he's saying?...or because of the wording he's using?

abaraba:
Siris,
Ok, I'm whining, what's your point? I'm not arguing, I am asking you for your opinion first - do you think they made a good decision to remove this functionality based on 'operators manual', or not? I also ditto Gray_Area question, it is not quite clear why are you "against" me. If you are just mad at me for my insults to "baby developers", then you are right, it was completely unnecessary, perhaps that's what you call "whining", nevertheless I still stand behind my words. What now, we still don't know the important part - who's right, and who is wrong?


Anyway, the whole point of this thread is to answer this question:

Q.) does original 'Yie Ar Kung-Fu'  PCB have a pin for the 3rd button, and would just additional wire on a harness be enough to "unlock" this functionality (Easter Egg), or perhaps it would require some electrical modification on the PCB itself, and maybe it is not practically quite possible to use this functionality with actual PCB at all.

I also want to know at what point was this 3rd button abandoned by Konami... were they ever planning for it to be in the game or is it just some hack programmers did for fun. Without this sort of information we can't properly argue about whether the decision to throw out this functionality from MAME has any reasonable justification behind it, or not.

Haze:
Luigi is not a MAME developer, he's an external contributor like you or anybody else posting here.

If you feel the patch is wrong, submit another to undo it, with evidence supporting your case.  Luigi obviously submitted it with sufficient evidence to support the application of the patch.

That's how things work.

Just seems like another excuse to have a go at the developers to me.

(and yes, MAME has emulated 'cabinets' at a certain level from day 1, disallowing opposite directions to be pressed at the same time and such because doing so will break quite a lot of games, eg. one of the Metal Slug games will reset if you press left and right at the same time!  Do you think there would be any less bitching if we decided to remove that 'cabinet' emulation so people could reset the game by accidentally pressing the left and right cursor keys at the same time?

There should probably be an additional layer of abstraction but that's a significant amount of work which would touch every single part of MAME, and right now nobody on the team seems to have the motivation to even reparent a couple of sets that need reparenting never mind write completely new sub-systems.  It's dead, as you might say, and yes, being bitched at for every last change which isn't just refactoring something no doubt has something to do with that)

Hoopz:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on November 13, 2010, 09:08:37 pm ---Except that its not improper emulation, If the function exist in the code of the game.

 Its merely a hardware connect or disconnect.

 Same for the Stereo sound in a games Code that exists, and is OUTPUT.  Just because the actual cabinet the pcb was housed in didnt have 2 speakers (cost cutting), or it was wired as mono... does not change the fact that the game was designed with stereo sound... and could EASILY be hooked up by anyone, by hooking on to the output pins.

 If the game PCB is outputting stereo, then for a mame dev to take away the ability to hear it, shows that they are not representing the hardware accurately.

 Just because some corporate dirtbag wanted to cut cost with mono speakers, does not mean that games truly designed intent should not be able to be experienced.

 How difficult would it be to add such options to the cheat engine?  I doubt it would take much effort at all.  Its just pure analism / ocd, without any real understanding / respect for the creativity for the games themselves.

 While Im not saying I agree with cheating on Yie Ar, as they did decide to remove the button (unless it was merely a way to make it easier to test levels)... it IS part of the history of the game. (and it is still part of the game)  And all such history should be preserved and experienced at will of the user.

 As long as the user understands that the 3rd button or stereo sound was not the way the game was finally presented, there is no harm at all in leaving the user to the exact things that they could experience if they owned the PCBs + a soldering iron.


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Then code it up ---smurfette---.  Seriously, either code it up and be a part of the solution or quit bitching about those who don't do what you want with their time.  You ---smurfette--- and whine but never do anything to help fix the code that you freak out about.  You don't have constructive criticism.  You ---smurfette--- without offering to get involved to fix it.

And if you can't code, then why ---smurfette--- to Haze or anyone about how they are ---smurfing--- things up?  At least they have the talent to try and it doesn't matter if they agree with your agenda or not.  It's their time, they can do what they want.

Before the mob decides that Mame is wrong, has anyone actually seen documentation stating that they did something that is incorrect or are a few people trying to bully their way into stuff?

X, whip out your nazi analogies now.  You can't see the forest for the trees.  :troll:

Edit: typo

CheffoJeffo:
Shades of the Belligerent Kool-Aid Man ... telling everybody else the facts not actually having worked with the elements in question.

RTFW if you want to find vendors.

 :whap

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