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SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 12, 2010, 03:07:33 am ---Would you believe me that your PC, your Macintosh, your Windows, or Linux even, your graphic card probably best example... there are hundreds of violated copyrights, in both hardware and software. And regardless of whether ATI might tomorrow sue Nvidia for billion dollars and win over copyright infringement, you as a consumer will not be held liable and will still be able to sell offending piece of hardware, without anyone giving ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- what went between Nvidia and ATI in the meantime, and ....

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Once again, your inability to do the research shows through. nVidia/ATI, AMD/Intel  already did sue each other for more money than most of us make in a lifetime. The difference here is that this has all been settled and fees have been paid and interestingly, permission granted in some of those cases. The comparison between the business model of these company and a video game company is a poor one. The only similarity I can recall is Ms. Pac-Man. Once again, an agreement was made between the owner of the copyright and the violator of that copyright and the damages were paid for in some fashion. No such agreement exists between the copyright holder and the X in 1 boards you seem to want to find an imaginary loophole for.


--- Quote ---no matter how many copyrights were violated there the item itself would not be dimmed illegal to buy, poses or re-sell. No?

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If you do not know the story of Tengen, then you sir, cannot be deemed a video gamer.  :laugh2:


--- Quote ---I am not trying to dispute those laws, only finding a hole where they do not apply in given circumstances. -- When the package with my PCB arrived, it contained notice from the customs office. It said they opened the box and inspected the item, and they obviously found it to be perfectly legal since they forwarded all that to me. Should I call them back and say how they were immensely stupid? Does it not strike you as strange that would be the only item in the world that is illegal, yet taxed and available in stores?

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Once again, research would aid your argument and understanding how these laws function would go a long way in looking less like an idiot looking to make a buck. Here is a link to U.S. customs for the other people in this forum who are actually capable of doing the research.

taylormadelv:
This argument almost seems related to old artwork and jewlery and stuff that was stolen from Jews by the Natzis in WWII. When the original owners' families are contacted and can prove the item belonged to their family, it is returned to them and it doesn't matter if that last owner paid a zillion dollars for it, it was stolen, it's still considered stolen and the ignorant last "owner" is the one that gets the short end of the stick. x in 1's are illegal no matter how many times it's been resold or how many invoices were made for its' purchase, it's just as illegal as when it was produced new. The fact that the boards "slip into" old cabs real nice-like just makes it a lot easier to ignore their illegality and perpetuates the double standard of PCB vs full blown mame.

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 12, 2010, 03:07:33 am ---Does it not strike you as strange that would be the only item in the world that is illegal, yet taxed and available in stores?

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Or like the guy who was selling marijuana seeds for years by mail order and store front, issuing receipts and paying his taxes ?

It's a good thing that paying those taxes made it legal because he would have gotten 5 years if  ... oh wait a minute ...

Haze:
or, let's give another example.

You buy a PC, you have your invoice, it's preinstalled with Windows and Office.

The copies of Windows and Office aren't legal, they've been installed from pirate copies of the discs using cloned keys, and they're infringing on Microsoft's copyrights and licensing.

Microsoft's Genuine Advantage software recognizes this, and promptly starts disabling features of your install of Windows and nagging you to buy a genuine copy, and will eventually become deactivated.

Despite 'legally purchasing' your PC, you now can't use it properly.

Microsoft DO NOT consider your illegal copy of windows to be legal, they only offer a means to upgrade it to a legal copy in exchange for your illegal copy, they are under no obligation to do this at all, and if you look carefully at the terms you MUST submit your counterfeit windows CD.   Most systems sold like this don't even come with a CD, it's all pre-installed.  This is a *VERY* common situation***.  No high quality CD = you MUST buy another copy to be legal.  Operating the system without doing so is illegal, and Microsoft make this quite clear.  This is no different to operating a counterfeit / infringing 60-in-1 board on location.

Your invoice means _nothing_ for the legality of the product.


*** and is in fact the main target of the scheme, people who download Windows know all about the cracks and ways to bypass the systems, people who unknowingly thought they bought a legal product from a shop don't.


--- Quote ---Q:
What happens to customers who have mistakenly purchased a counterfeit version of Windows?
A:

Microsoft advises users who learn that their copy of Windows is not genuine to take the following steps:

    Learn more about how to recognize genuine Windows at www.microsoft.com/genuine.
    Return to the reseller who provided the software to seek redress.
    If their reseller is unable to help, users can take advantage of Microsoft genuine Windows offers designed to help victims of counterfeit software. To learn about the genuine Windows offer, customers can read about it later in this FAQ.
    Users can also purchase a genuine copy of Windows from a local reseller.

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--- Quote ---
Q:
What is the genuine Windows offer?
A:

The Microsoft genuine Windows offer is designed to help customers who unknowingly purchased counterfeit versions of Windows XP by offering those who qualify a complimentary copy or electronic license key for a genuine copy of Windows XP.
Q:
What are the details of the genuine Windows offer?
A:

To help customers who unknowingly purchased a counterfeit version of Windows XP, Microsoft has created two genuine Windows offers for those who qualify:

    Complimentary offer: Microsoft will make a complimentary copy of Windows XP available to customers who have been sold counterfeit Windows. Customers will be required to submit a proof of purchase, the counterfeit CD, and a counterfeit report with details of their purchase. Only high-quality counterfeit Windows will qualify for the complimentary offer.
    Electronic License Key Offer: Microsoft will offer an alternative for customers who find out via the WGA validation process that they are not running genuine Windows, but do not qualify for, or choose not to take advantage of, the complimentary offer. These customers will be able to license a Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP directly from Microsoft for a special on-line purchase price. The Windows Genuine Advantage Kit for Windows XP will include a new 25-character Product Key and a Windows Product Key Update tool that will allow customers to convert their counterfeit copy to genuine Windows XP electronically.

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SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: taylormadelv on September 12, 2010, 08:44:33 am ---This argument almost seems related to old artwork and jewlery and stuff that was stolen from Jews by the Natzis in WWII. When the original owners' families are contacted and can prove the item belonged to their family, it is returned to them and it doesn't matter if that last owner paid a zillion dollars for it, it was stolen, it's still considered stolen and the ignorant last "owner" is the one that gets the short end of the stick.
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I believe this is what has suspected to have happened to some missing paintings. They have gone into private collectors hands who make no bones about this sort of thing yet don't publicly announce they have them. The private collector in question might even be the Jewish family who the painting(s) were stolen from. My point being, Unidroit Convention limits claims on stolen cultural artifacts to fifty years. Would a painting stolen from a Jew by the Nazi's fall under that? If so, then the paintings and other works of art "permanently" disappearing may be stolen by the very families they were stolen from because they were unable to find proof of ownership.

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