Star Trek TnG

[Dartful Dodger]

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He must be very humble because he doesn't want all those potential compliments to take away from his video.

[Benevolance]

That....hurt.

[hyiu]

I don't know what to say.....

 

[Rick]

I work with a guy who looks a lot like this guy, and is as big a fan of ST:TNG...  I just sent him the link and said, "I had no idea you had such a wonderful singing voice."  I am now awaiting the "F off!" that I know is coming.  Stay tuned.

 

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*snicker*


Isn't the Internet great?!?!

*snicker*

[Frigo]

If I wasn't depressed before watching that video, I sure as hell am depressed now.

I'm going to go find an extension cord...

[javeryh]

The funniest part about this video is not the fact that this guy made it, it's the fact that he thought pressing the "upload to YouTube" button was a good idea.  This made my day.

[WhereEaglesDare]

[ark_ader]

I will get post traumatic stress every time I hear that TNG theme tune now!   

[patrickl]

Maybe he lost a bet?

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Maybe he lost a bet?

It's a thought... but he also did the theme to Voyager, with his own lyrics.

*snicker*

[Benevolance]

So he lost a big bet?

[Dartful Dodger]

he also did the theme to Voyager, with his own lyrics.

I didn't notice that before.

I went to his webpage and he has a whole series of these.

He doesn't have the lyrics for the original Star Trek though.

[jamesjones626]

why is it that trekkies are way way wierd compared to star wars nerds. 

[patrickl]

why is it that trekkies are way way wierd compared to star wars nerds. 

Maybe because you are a Star Wars fan yourself?

[jamesjones626]

why is it that trekkies are way way wierd compared to star wars nerds. 

Maybe because you are a Star Wars fan yourself?

i like star wars but to me it just another movie

[patrickl]

I don't see much difference between the level of weirdness of Star Wars vs Star Trek fans. Or for that matter fans of just about any sport. They all go to meetings wearing odd clothes thinking that their outfit makes them look cool or that it has some effect.

[WhereEaglesDare]

I don't see much difference between the level of weirdness of Star Wars vs Star Trek fans. Or for that matter fans of just about any sport. They all go to meetings wearing odd clothes thinking that their outfit makes them look cool or that it has some effect.

Indeed.  Dont forget the Star Wars Kid

[Frigo]

I thought that was the same person, only grown up?

[shmokes]

Trekkies are way weirder than Star Wars fans.  I think it's because Star Trek is a far deeper universe.  I mean, sure, there are plenty of people who dress up as Star Wars characters for Halloween and buy Star Wars toys.  But Trekkies learn to speak Klingon.  Wait . . . I'm jumping the gun, I guess first I should say: Klingon, the language, EXISTS!

Also Star Trek conventions.  

Star Wars is far more mainstream.  It's strictly a shallow, popcorn affair.  It's just doesn't provide enough meat for the weirdos to bath themselves in.  Hmm . . . I think that's a mixed metaphore. 

[Rick]

It's just doesn't provide enough meat for the weirdos to bath themselves in.

Well...

I work with a guy who looks a lot like this guy, and is as big a fan of ST:TNG...

Remember this guy?  No reaction, but yes.  He does own a Starfleet Uniform.

 

[RayB]

That video is the sort of thing I'd expect a dorky 10 year old to make and I would excuse it for the fact that it's by a 10 year old.

[hyiu]

so there... we solved it !!!

that "guy" is only a kid who is only 10 yrs old, he just look "mature"...
and he lost a big bet....
 

[patrickl]

Trekkies are way weirder than Star Wars fans.  I think it's because Star Trek is a far deeper universe.  I mean, sure, there are plenty of people who dress up as Star Wars characters for Halloween and buy Star Wars toys.  But Trekkies learn to speak Klingon.  Wait . . . I'm jumping the gun, I guess first I should say: Klingon, the language, EXISTS!

There are plenty people that speak "Yoda" though.  Or the "language" of that big froglike thing with the floppy ears.

It might be less evolved, but people are working on Star Wars languages too. There is a book and website (and this and this) to help you learn the language

Also Star Trek conventions.  

How are these different from Star Wars conventions?

Star Wars is far more mainstream.  It's strictly a shallow, popcorn affair.  It's just doesn't provide enough meat for the weirdos to bath themselves in.  Hmm . . . I think that's a mixed metaphore. 

You just get shallow weirdos. Why would that be less weird?

[shmokes]

Shrug.  Because weirdness is directly correlated to social norms.  If most people consider Trekkies dorkier or weirder or whatever than Star Wars enthusiasts then it simply is the case for that reason alone.  I can't quote any surveys or anything, but i think it's pretty clear that Star Wars is far more mainstream and accepted in popular culture than Star Trek. 

FWIW I much prefer Star Trek.

[patrickl]

Yeah I guess it's a matter of opinion. I can understand people wanting to learn languages or wanting to know more of the (fictional) technology or history behind all the books and movies (for both franchises). On the other hand I would never go and play with a lightsaber or dress up as a Klingon. Yet from what i understand you find the first weird and the second less so.

Personally I find sports fans a lot weirder. Even though that's utterly mainstream. Especialy the Dutch fans I think. All colored oranged wearing hats and noisy things and claiming that if they don't wear those orange things that the team is not going to win (when they are watching the game on TV!).

But then my sports loving friends think that a middle aged guy building a "games cabinet" is even weirder ... tsk tsk tsk

[shmokes]

The sports thing is a perfect example.  When I say wierd I'm speaking in terms of social norms.  But if you're talking about objective weirdness in terms of human behavior, then I guess it's probably a wash or something.  Like, painting your face your sports team's colors or Darth Maul's colors I suppose are more or less the same thing, objectively speaking.  One is just less cool.  It's not objectively less cool, if there is such a thing.  It just so happens that society, probably more or less arbitrarily, accepts one to a greater degree than the other.  I think this is the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek.  It's an arbitrary difference, but one is more accepted than the other, making the other weirder.  No reason for it.  It just is.

[patrickl]

You mean because more people do it?

[shmokes]

More or less.  I mean kind of by definition.  I figure weird more or less means strange or unusual or not normal.  I mean, 30 years ago French women thought Americans were weird for shaving their legs and armpits and vice versa.  Weird is largely a function of what people do.  The more people that do it, the less weird it becomes.

[shmokes]

At least that's what I mean by weird.  There are other senses in which to use the word, of course.  Like, "It's weird that so many poor people support a political party that protects the interests of the rich at their expense."  But in terms of social acceptability of behavior, which is what I think we're talking about, there's definitely safety in numbers.

[patrickl]

I don't think the original poster was talking about the acceptability by society.

[shmokes]

Sure he was.  He posted the video for us to make fun of.  He specifically mentioned that the guy's comments were disabled.  The whole point of the OP was, "OMG . . . look at this dork!"

[patrickl]

Sorry, I meant jamesjones626 as the original poster who claimed that trekkies are weirder than Star Wars fans.

I would swear that included the quote ... second try then.

why is it that trekkies are way way wierd compared to star wars nerds. 

[shmokes]

Same thing as far as I can tell.

[Howard_Casto]

I'll be glad to say that both are really wierd.  I actually went to a convention or two in my youth and when a guy like me, who's waaay up there on the nerd scale starts to feel ashamed to be somewhere you know it's bad.  The people are always nice enough, it just seems that they are oblivious to how foolish they look, and I don't mean just their appearance but rather their behavior (being waaay to serious about their costume/persona or worse yet thinking that by doing a really poor imitation of the character they are being cool).

All of that being said, trekkies are worse but it really doesn't have anything to do with their preferance, rather it's all in the costumes.  90% of Star Trek costumes involve spandex, a material that nobody looks good in unless they are in really good physical condition.  Most Star Wars costumes, on the other hand make use of flowing robes or capes.  Those tend to look okay on anyone.  Also most star wars characters are human or wear a plastic mask, while most star trek characters involve prosthetics (that most people can't apply properly I might add).  So by default the average star trek fan looks dorkier than the average star wars fan when in costume.  It's a fact.


All of THAT being said, Star Trek is still the supeiror franchise and thus more worthy of extreme dedication.  After all, star trek has given us 5 television series, all of which were pretty good to fantastic. Star Trek has also given us several movies most of which were really good with a stinker or two mixed in.  Star Wars on the other hand has basically given us 6 films, three of which being so horrible that most fans completely ignore their existance.  So look at it this way, at least they are obsessing over something worthwhile as opposed to something stupid (ie football or nascar).

[shmokes]

All of that makes quite a bit of sense.

I thought of a couple of things that differentiates the sports face-painter from the sci-fi face-painter.  The sports guy intends to get blind drunk (if he isn't already).  Somehow this makes it slightly better in my head.  Like . . . he's not really serious about the whole thing.

Also . . . sports guy is painting himself as a gesture of support.  Sci-fi guy is playing make-believe.  Again . . . the former is just a little bit more respectable than the latter.  Not that it is respectable, lol.  Just a little bit more. 

[patrickl]

If we start discussing spandex outfits then obviously Tron fans are the worst 

[shmokes]

Don't . . . you . . . do it!!!!

[patrickl]

OK, I won't 

How about "Batman guy" then?

[saint]

Wait . . . I'm jumping the gun, I guess first I should say: Klingon, the language, EXISTS!

You are simply more aware of Star Trek fans. Ewok, the language, exists. Go look up the 501st.

[Grasshopper]

90% of Star Trek costumes involve spandex, a material that nobody looks good in unless they are in really good physical condition.

Heh, I think you've hit the nail on the head there. However, I don't see why sportsmen* get a free pass. Even being in really good physical condition doesn't automatically make you immune from looking ridiculous in spandex.

I never cease to be amazed at the preposterous outfits that have become the norm in many sports. Take cyclists for example. They wear tight fitting spandex outfits in garish colours like fluorescent pink and yellow, and wear silly little helmets that look like they've stuck a  tortoise on their heads. It's the type of attire that would get you refused entry to many gay bars on the grounds that you look too flamboyant. Yet when professional sportsmen wear this type of stuff it's considered perfectly normal and mainstream, and nobody bats an eyelid.

* Sportswomen are an entirely different matter. They can wear as much spandex as they like. 

[patrickl]

Wait . . . I'm jumping the gun, I guess first I should say: Klingon, the language, EXISTS!

You are simply more aware of Star Trek fans. Ewok, the language, exists. Go look up the 501st.

As I posted above, there are actually several languages in Star Wars. Although they are probably less complete with less of it spoken on screen.

Apparently there was a whole song in Mandelorian (Boba Fett) in a game.

[Howard_Casto]

Wait . . . I'm jumping the gun, I guess first I should say: Klingon, the language, EXISTS!

You are simply more aware of Star Trek fans. Ewok, the language, exists. Go look up the 501st.

Man I'm going to have to throw all my dork cards on the table tonight. 

The Ewok language doesn't really exist, at least not officially.  It was created by fans and may or may not be considered cannon by lucas, who only made enough words for the ewok victory song.  Klingon, on the other hand DOES exist.  It was created by the writers of the movies (and later the tng show) to ensure that the characters wouldn't be shouting gibberish at the screen.  They did this because they felt that star trek fans were so smart and so obsessive that they would realize it was gibberish if they didn't.  The language has nouns and verbs and sentence structure just like any real language.  Que up some behind the scenes interviews about star trek 6 to hear an interesting blurb of how difficult it is to translate shakesphere into klingon.  All trek languages of any re-occuring alien race are actual languages btw.

With that being said it's really neither here nor there to the argument.  Which is nerdier, a universe in which the fans create a language themselves or one where the writers are so scared of fan reaction that they create a language for each alien race?  Personally I think it might be the later.  Afterall, there might be an ewok langauge but there is a real english to klingon dictionary I can pick up at most book stores, on my computer, as an audio book or dvd.  So that means that there are enough people out there that want to learn klingon so that paramont can actually turn a profit form such a silly product.

[Howard_Casto]

90% of Star Trek costumes involve spandex, a material that nobody looks good in unless they are in really good physical condition.

Heh, I think you've hit the nail on the head there. However, I don't see why sportsmen* get a free pass. Even being in really good physical condition doesn't automatically make you immune from looking ridiculous in spandex.

I never cease to be amazed at the preposterous outfits that have become the norm in many sports. Take cyclists for example. They wear tight fitting spandex outfits in garish colours like fluorescent pink and yellow, and wear silly little helmets that look like they've stuck a  tortoise on their heads. It's the type of attire that would get you refused entry to many gay bars on the grounds that you look too flamboyant. Yet when professional sportsmen wear this type of stuff it's considered perfectly normal and mainstream, and nobody bats an eyelid.

* Sportswomen are an entirely different matter. They can wear as much spandex as they like. 

I could agree with that except for the fact that with the example you are using (cycling) every one of those traits have a purpose.  The spandex is crucial to prevent chaffing. The helmet might look stupid, but it's computer designed to protect the head and reduce drag.  The garish colors with gay patterns are on there so spotters can easily identify the different racers.  Sure they look like fools, but at least there's a reason for them to look like fools.

Other sports don't get a free pass though.  Bowling and golf in-particular come to mind.  No excuse for dressing so stupid in either sport.

And yes, women need to wear tighter clothing in my opinion.  You know... to reduce drag...

[Howard_Casto]

All of that makes quite a bit of sense.

I thought of a couple of things that differentiates the sports face-painter from the sci-fi face-painter.  The sports guy intends to get blind drunk (if he isn't already).  Somehow this makes it slightly better in my head.  Like . . . he's not really serious about the whole thing.

Also . . . sports guy is painting himself as a gesture of support.  Sci-fi guy is playing make-believe.  Again . . . the former is just a little bit more respectable than the latter.  Not that it is respectable, lol.  Just a little bit more. 

Eh... you've swayed me the other way with your argument.

Getting blind drunk isn't something you should be doing intentionally or not.  If that isn't bad enough getting drunk with the intention of making a fool out of yourself (serious intentions or not) is probably the worst thing you could possibly do.  Nerds might be nerds, but as you've just described them, the average sprots fanatic is a loser in every sense of the word.

Also the whole "for support" thing... I've never really gotten that.  I think this is why I'm pretty indifferent in regards to sports.  Ok so a corporation hires an athlete from out of state, possibly from out of the country to come and work for your team, at which point he could leave at any time if he's offered more money or better options. How exactly is he "your" player again?  How is it "your team".  Even if it's a local team you don't know the guy, your aren't helping him win so why do you care how well he does?  I just don't get it.  I understand the reason an athlete plays but I never have understood the reason fans like to watch them play (with the exception of family and friends of course).

On the other hand the sci-fi fan is dressing up as a character they identify with.  Unlike athletes, the fan of the fictional character has all kinds of info about the characters personality and their history.  In short they have an actual reason to enjoy the character.  Well except for the people that make up their own character.  Creative definately, but it's a bit out there.

I guess what I'm saying is it seems more rational to me for a person to obsess over someone because of their ideals or heroics rather than to obsess over a man or group of men because they are hired by the same company or because of the men can throw a ball farther than the average man.  The fact that one of the two might be fictional doesn't really matter.

[shmokes]

it just seems that they are oblivious to how foolish they look, and I don't mean just their appearance but rather their behavior (being waaay to serious about their costume/persona or worse yet thinking that by doing a really poor imitation of the character they are being cool).

I think what I said about sports is not too far off from what you said here.  These sports guys are not being serious.  They are serioius fanatics, of course.  But they (most of them, anyway) are not remotely oblivious to how foolish they look.  And they don't take themselves seriously.  They are doing the opposite . . . they're being intentionally goofy.

But whatever . . . I'm honestly willing to concede the point rather than argue the distinctions.  I don't think I would ever paint my face for a sports team unless my kid wanted me to.  I'm willing to do all kinds of ridiculous things for my kid, so that probably doesn't count.  If you are insistent that doing it for sports is just as bad that's ok.

Butsuggesting that getting really drunk is something you should never do?  Meh . . . Loosen up.  Life is way too short to be lived so conservatively.

[JeepMonkey]

If I wasn't depressed before watching that video, I sure as hell am depressed now.

I must disagree.  Watcing this video makes me feel much better about myself.

[protokatie]

I think part of the reason why the star wars fans look at star trek fans as being "lesser" has to do with the basic mood of either franchise. To star wars fans (myself included, but only original trilogy) the star trek universe seems fake and unrealistic. This is possibly due to the mood of star trek being that of a future utopia, wear as star wars is of a dystopian struggle against oppression.

Negative feels more real, basically.

[Dartful Dodger]

These sports guys are not being serious.  They are serioius fanatics, of course.  But they (most of them, anyway) are not remotely oblivious to how foolish they look.  And they don't take themselves seriously.  They are doing the opposite . . . they're being intentionally goofy.

Really? Mention the Cubs to a Sox fan or the Sox to a Cubs fan.


A sports fanatic will know every stat for every player and every score for every game, but they don't know a second language.

A Star Trek/Star Wars fan will know every character on every world in a fictional universe, but they'll also know math and stuff.

[patrickl]

Another group of fans that seems to be going for "weirdest":