Slimmer, quieter Xbox 360 is here...

[DJ_Izumi]

They fixed the drive in later models, but obviously for the new version they broke out the old supply of cheap/faulty drives again.

It's like you don't even READ the stuff you talk about.  The problem with the early models had absolutely nothing to do with changing the orientation of the Xbox while in operation.  Some of Samsungs in the Xenon Xbox's sold from 2005-2007 would scratch discs while the Xbox was reading them without changing the orientation.  They just did it while spinning the discs in normal operation.  So Microsoft rolled out a disc replacement program for effected units.

It has never been okay to change the orientation of the Xbox 360 while it's in operation.

The two issues are entirely unrelated.  It's just not okay to turn a non-mobile drive 90 degrees while it's spinning a disc at 7000RPM and a laser head hovers just 2mm away from it.  By simple nature of it's rotation, it's working like a gyroscope and it resists movement that is at an angle to its plane of rotation.

Hell, the article on the Dutch tests, which you yourself cited and linked to don't mention word one about changing the orientation.  Some of the drives were just flat out eating discs when operating horizontally.  They didn't rotate the machines while operating them or talk about that.  Did you even read/watch it?

No one has said the Xbox 360 S eats discs when operating it horizontally unless you are dumb enough to turn it while it's turned on.

It's as if you not only failed high school science class, but you also failed reading comprehension in English class too.

[SavannahLion]

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Whatever

That truly is sad to see you write that. Not because you refuse to see any point but your own, but it shows how much respect you lack.

They fixed the drive in later models, but obviously for the new version they broke out the old supply of cheap/faulty drives again.

It's like you don't even READ the stuff you talk about.

See above.

[northerngames]

So you didn't have a problem and that means that all those other people didn't either ...

They fixed the drive in later models, but obviously for the new version they broke out the old supply of cheap/faulty drives again.

nope I just followed their directions when obviously they did not 

[SNAAKE]

 

[patrickl]

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Whatever

That truly is sad to see you write that. Not because you refuse to see any point but your own, but it shows how much respect you lack.

I show a clip that shows that it can happen witout moving. That the MAJORITY of people have problems with scratches without moving their machine.

So what the point debating how many ways there are to scratch a disc?

Just get over yourself.

[patrickl]

So you didn't have a problem and that means that all those other people didn't either ...

They fixed the drive in later models, but obviously for the new version they broke out the old supply of cheap/faulty drives again.

nope I just followed their directions when obviously they did not 

Yes they did. They got scratches WITHOUT moving their machines.

[northerngames]

there was very very very little that actually did that but there is alway's going to be some flaws on the first run of console's & new products that needs to be revised soon after.

what your showing never happened in the mass's the majority was the end users fault for not reading the manual & moving the console and claimed they never moved it type crap.

here's a large write up on it from llama.

http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/news/Xbox-360-Game-Disc-Scratched.htm

once again me and everyone I know except one that has a launch that leave's there's put never had any disk scratch's and the only one I do know of that scratched a disk moved it while it was on from horizonal to vertical and he wished he had read the manual first to avoid it  

can anyone reading this here honostly post that they have actually had there disk scratched from normal use and not moving there console from the spot it sits when it was first turned on?

perosnally I think the flip top style drive assembly is the best bet for all gaming console's.

[SavannahLion]

Edit:

Forget it, I've already proven my point and I'm not the only one that sees or apparently agrees with it. Continue on with your marginally relevant argument.

[DJ_Izumi]

I show a clip that shows that it can happen witout moving. That the MAJORITY of people have problems with scratches without moving their machine.

1) This is all old material.  This problem was revealed and delt with by the end of 2007.  It's 2010, the Jaspers they sell now don't even have those Jet Engine optical drives they used then.

2) Your initial complaint in this thread was the warning sticker on Valhala systems warning the user not to rotate the system, but now you're jumping onto this 3-4 year problem about some systems just eating discs that's been long resolved.  You've jumped subjects just to keep bitching about Microsoft.  It's been resolved years ago and you are too late to get on the bandwagon.

3) The majority of drives were never eating discs, if they were there'd be a much worse disc issue because everyone would be losing their discs.  The entire used Xbox 360 game market would disolve even.  Think about things before you say them.

[DillonFoulds]

I personally have a launch console (with Hitachi/LG drive), that always sits horizontal in my tv stand, and never gets touched during play.

Regardless of no one ever touching the console while it's on, all the games that I frequently play have rings at the exact same distance from center on the discs. (about 2cm from the outside). Every game I've played gets the exact same ring. It's got to the point that I'll put in the disc, install to the hdd before I even play, and play off the hdd rather than off the disc itself.

I couldn't tell you why it happens, it just does, and there's nothing I can do about it. Luckily the system is now JTAG'ed, and I never touch the DVD tray anymore.

[DJ_Izumi]

I personally have a launch console (with Hitachi/LG drive), .......It's got to the point that I'll put in the disc, install to the hdd before I even play, and play off the hdd rather than off the disc itself.

That would be one of the effected drives from y ears and years ago, yeah.  Though wow, if I had a launch system I'd always install to HDD just because those ---daisies--- were loooooooud.

Though I always install to HDD anyway since it reduces wear on the optical drive.

[patrickl]

Edit:

Forget it, I've already proven my point and I'm not the only one that sees or apparently agrees with it. Continue on with your marginally relevant argument.

Well, that's what I said. It's pointless.

[patrickl]

This is all old material.

It was .... UNTIL the slim Xbox was released. That's exactly the point. Did you even read the argument?

[DJ_Izumi]

It was .... UNTIL the slim Xbox was released. That's exactly the point. Did you even read the argument?

Old problem: Even minor vibrations could cause the 2005-2007 era Xbox 360's eat discs, this happened while the machines were stationary.

'Problem' that has always existed and continues to exist on the Xbox 360 S: Being an idiot and turning the machine 90 degrees while it's spinning the disc at 5000-7000 RPM is a stupid thing to do.

The problem is that you havn't even read the argument.  No old problem has rearrisen.  Unless the Xbox 360 S starts eating discs while stationary, no, there's no issue.  The only thing that's changed is that Microsoft now feels that they have to warn the users not to do something that is obviously a stupid idea.

I bet you'd think that Microsoft was responsible for using shoddy power bricks if the end of the cable had a sticker that said 'Warning: Do Not Lick This' too, wouldn't you?

[versapak]

This is all old material.

It was .... UNTIL the slim Xbox was released. That's exactly the point. Did you even read the argument?

Your argument seems to be that of someone who doesn't even own a 360 and just wants to troll with the most inane issues.

I know of no one that has suffered any sort of scratched discs from the 360S in real life or on any of the boards that I frequent.

If it happened to one person, a problem that doesn't make.

Unless it is a repeatable problem that can be filmed happening, than I subscribe to the theory that any scratches being done to discs  by the 360S are user error.

[DJ_Izumi]

Unless it is a repeatable problem that can be filmed happening, than I subscribe to the theory that any scratches being done to discs  by the 360S are user error.

THe thing is, he seems to think that turning the Xbox 360 S while it's in operation doesn't count as user error.  That that's somehow 'normal user operation.  I have an Xbox 360 Jasper unit, last model they made before the Valhallah 360S units.  There might not be some stupid sticker on it warning the user not to flip it over while it's turned on but the manual does tell you not to do that.

Know why they put a sticker on it?  Cause people are stupid enough to flip the 360 while it's turned on and who the heck ever reads the manual?

[patrickl]

Unless it is a repeatable problem that can be filmed happening, than I subscribe to the theory that any scratches being done to discs  by the 360S are user error.

I posted a clip of reproducable scratching. A UK consumer TV show found the same problem. Same problem that DillonFoulds described just a few posts up.

If your discs get scratched by moving the device, they will get scratched by vibrations in the room too.

[DJ_Izumi]

I posted a clip of reproducable scratching. A UK consumer TV show found the same problem. Same problem that DillonFoulds described just a few posts up.

If your discs get scratched by moving the device, they will get scratched by vibrations in the room too.

All of this relates to the 2005-2007 Era Xbox 360's.  Even DillonFoulds says he got his Xbox 360 at launch, meaning it's from 2005.

No one has demonstrated the Xbox 360 S producing scratches, other than when you flip it over which is stupid and contrary to user instructions on the Xbox 360.

You seem to have great difficulty in organizing your thoughts, do you suffer from schizophrenia or something?

[DillonFoulds]

Yeah, I'm definitely not saying that this new 360 is just as bad as the launch ones. I'm saying that the scratching on my console isn't at all related to movement or vibrations. There's a point on the disc that my laser always hits, no matter what. All the games that I've put a considerable (more than one hour, for me, is "considerable") have the same ring in the exact same place. It's just whenever the drive tries to read the one part of the disc, it'll ring it. Nothing I can do about it, other than HDD installs (and now JTAG'ing my 360 means i don't need to disc to do a HDD install, either).

[northerngames]

Yeah, I'm definitely not saying that this new 360 is just as bad as the launch ones. I'm saying that the scratching on my console isn't at all related to movement or vibrations. There's a point on the disc that my laser always hits, no matter what. All the games that I've put a considerable (more than one hour, for me, is "considerable") have the same ring in the exact same place. It's just whenever the drive tries to read the one part of the disc, it'll ring it. Nothing I can do about it, other than HDD installs (and now JTAG'ing my 360 means i don't need to disc to do a HDD install, either).

most drive's have a height & pitch adjustment screw on 4 corners of the laser frame or on two of the ends of the laser rails.

some either have a rubber boot or spring under the screws.

tighten them down 1-2 full turns and it should go away and still read fine.

[crashwg]

Did everyone here completely miss Snaake's posting on the new 360 overheating by arguing about discs being scratched because people are to retarded to know moving the console while it's on is restupid™*?

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=103427.msg1096179#msg1096179

Are those pictures yours Snaake?  That's pretty ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up if it's real!




*retardedly stupid

[Gorotsuki]

Oh yeah,
The slims shuts down
to "prevent" overheating.
It can't red ring anymore, because
they took out the red light.

[versapak]

Oh yeah,
The slims shuts down
to "prevent" overheating.
It can't red ring anymore, because
they took out the red light.

Well...

They took out red lights. Specifically the 4 that composed the ring, but there is a single red light in the middle now.


As for shutting down to prevent overheating...

The original 360 did that as well. The problem was that issues weren't caused by one case of severe overheating, but a  regular case of high heat from normal operation.

As for the pics there of the 360s having overheated...

It is widely believed that the 360s pictured was originally placed vertical to the right with its fan venting directly into the side of the cabinet.

There has been no widespread posting of 360s models overheating like that, because as long as you don't block that big fan on the top/right side of the console, it runs great.

My 360s, like the jasper model it replaced, is on almost all of the time. When I am not playing games on it, it is on as a media machine. It hasn't given so much as a hiccup in its operating ability.

[northerngames]

Oh yeah,
The slims shuts down
to "prevent" overheating.
It can't red ring anymore, because
they took out the red light.

Well...

They took out red lights. Specifically the 4 that composed the ring, but there is a single red light in the middle now.


As for shutting down to prevent overheating...

The original 360 did that as well. The problem was that issues weren't caused by one case of severe overheating, but a  regular case of high heat from normal operation.

As for the pics there of the 360s having overheated...

It is widely believed that the 360s pictured was originally placed vertical to the right with its fan venting directly into the side of the cabinet.

There has been no widespread posting of 360s models overheating like that, because as long as you don't block that big fan on the top/right side of the console, it runs great.

My 360s, like the jasper model it replaced, is on almost all of the time. When I am not playing games on it, it is on as a media machine. It hasn't given so much as a hiccup in its operating ability.

correct and also once again user error as it clearly states in the manual once again do not cover or block vent hole's becuase there needed for cooling.

lets wrap it in a towel and roll it around the ground while it is on playing a disk and see what happens next hmmm... lol.

[DJ_Izumi]

Did everyone here completely miss Snaake's posting on the new 360 overheating by arguing about discs being scratched because people are to retarded to know moving the console while it's on is restupid™*?

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=103427.msg1096179#msg1096179

Are those pictures yours Snaake?  That's pretty ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up if it's real!

*retardedly stupid

A single photo of a 360 S having shut down due to overheating doesn't tell you anything.  Firstly, there's no information on the circumstances and secondly, any manufactured product is going to have a small percentage of units that will have manufacturing errors.  You could pretty much find an example of a similar issue happening with ANY consumer electronic.

See huge swaths of users reporting the issue?  That's different, but this is one photo that keeps turning up in multiple places instead.

[SNAAKE]

those are not my pictures. I found them on xboxscene lool..

 

[Gorotsuki]

Well, if I hadn't had to swap my 360 twice allready
I probably wouldn't be so cynical as to it's
overall reliability.
I hope they're all good now, so I can get one
and be able to play my 360 collection until
I'm dead, like I'm still playing all my old consoles.