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Title: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on May 19, 2018, 08:12:13 pm
I started building my 4th arcade box in April 2018, this time is a full size multi arcade / platform cabinet (my other boxes was just 1 or 2 joysticks only)
I was dreaming about doing this for a long time, and I have some draw down ideas on paper, I checked other similar projects to see if that ideas are actually good ideas or not  :D

Ideally the hardware will be like this:

The software:

Steps:

Road Blocks:

Stores / Suppliers

Finished (almost?):
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/fullsizePic001.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/fullsizePic002.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/fullsizePic003.jpeg)
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(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/fullsizePic005.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/fullsizePic006.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/fullsizePic007.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/fullsizePic008.jpeg)


Video of the initial work on the lights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbuePBl1W0Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbuePBl1W0Y)

Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on June 08, 2018, 04:56:27 pm
Building the Cabinet
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/004.jpeg)
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(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/063-1.jpeg)
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(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/052.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/064.jpeg)

Componets
Tv
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/010.jpeg)
Fan (already have it)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/011.jpeg)
Speakers
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/017.jpeg)
Joysticks, Buttons and Topballs
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/012.jpeg)
T-molding, handlers, USB ports
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/028.jpeg)
Blue Buttons
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/053.jpeg)
Grills
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/047.jpeg)
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on June 08, 2018, 04:56:41 pm
Bezel
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/030-1.jpg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/030-2.jpg)

Drawer
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/038.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/039.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/040.jpeg)
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(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/046.jpeg)
replaced the handle.
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/046-b.jpeg)

Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on June 08, 2018, 04:57:00 pm
Controls Panel and Hardware

(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/068.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/070.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/076.jpeg)
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(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/091.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/095.jpeg)
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on June 08, 2018, 05:21:05 pm
Art, wiring and finishing

(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/100.jpeg)
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(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/113.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/114.jpeg)

I did the wires one by one, I like something custom, all the LEDs and the controllers.
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/120.jpeg)
(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/121.jpeg)
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(http://www.medutech.net/forostemp/Arcade/131.jpeg)
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Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: 05SRT4 on June 08, 2018, 06:35:10 pm
Hey there, cool build and a quick tip. When posting your images press the "Insert Image" button and paste the photo link in between the 2 brackets. This will add the preview.

Also the last few links are dead.

Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on June 12, 2018, 11:56:00 pm
Hey there, cool build
Tnx  :cheers:
and a quick tip. When posting your images press the "Insert Image" button and paste the photo link in between the 2 brackets. This will add the preview.
I did but I having issues with the img tag
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 13, 2018, 02:11:24 am
Updated pictures  8)
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: Drnick on September 13, 2018, 02:37:33 am
 :applaud: :applaud:  Looks pretty good to me. 
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: Zoomie on September 13, 2018, 02:02:20 pm
Great looking cab.  I see you used a seven button layout for p1/p2 that looks pretty much identical to the one I chose.  It's a shame they don't have a seven coin layout similar to yours (and mine) on slagcoin so we could print it out rather than having to measure and 'add' that seventh button each time.  It's a great cross between Japanese and NEO-GEO layouts!

Quick question: Where did you source the plastic ring inserts for your joysticks?  I cut 1 1/8" holes for the joysticks but I wasn't sure how to finish the inside surface of the MDF.  It's fine with buttons because they cover the imperfections but with clear joystick dust covers the inside of the ring looks awful.  I need something to make the joystick holes look finished and I was considering using opaque dust covers as a last resort.  That or paint them black and hope the sticks don't make contact and rub off the paint.

I'm at the step where I'm finalizing design of my cab so looking at your steps and decisions was a huge help - much appreciated!
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: yotsuya on September 13, 2018, 03:09:33 pm
I guess I canít count, I only see 6 buttons for P1/P2
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: pbj on September 13, 2018, 03:14:47 pm
Literally scrolled through the photos to see if you angled the sticks... and I appreciated how you held off on that until the end... and you angled the sticks.

:bat
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: yotsuya on September 13, 2018, 03:33:13 pm
I saw that too, but since itís an aircraft carrier, well.... he built what he dug.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: pbj on September 13, 2018, 03:40:16 pm
Seriously, though, he can correct that mistake underneath the control panel and nobody will be the wiser.  Drill some new holes and good to go.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: Mike A on September 13, 2018, 03:44:01 pm
Yeah. That should be fixed. It would only take a few minutes.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: Zoomie on September 13, 2018, 03:51:22 pm
I guess I canít count, I only see 6 buttons for P1/P2

It was in his design photos (had the slagcoin layouts with a 7th button) but I guess it didn't make the final productCUT.  {can't believe I missed that pun} 
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 13, 2018, 08:09:38 pm
Great looking cab.  I see you used a seven button layout for p1/p2 that looks pretty much identical to the one I chose.  It's a shame they don't have a seven coin layout similar to yours (and mine) on slagcoin so we could print it out rather than having to measure and 'add' that seventh button each time.  It's a great cross between Japanese and NEO-GEO layouts!
My original idea was 7 but then I found that I ran out of controller connectors, so I leave it as a future upgrade.

Quick question: Where did you source the plastic ring inserts for your joysticks?  I cut 1 1/8" holes for the joysticks but I wasn't sure how to finish the inside surface of the MDF.  It's fine with buttons because they cover the imperfections but with clear joystick dust covers the inside of the ring looks awful.  I need something to make the joystick holes look finished and I was considering using opaque dust covers as a last resort.  That or paint them black and hope the sticks don't make contact and rub off the paint.
I got an acrylic rod when I purchased a led light strip for my pc, that, lucky me, fit perfectly, so I cut it and sanded to the final look.
Same issue here, the joysticks holes looks better with acrylic, also allow more light to came out, you will need something like that, on ebay you can find some cylinders like that, try there.
Check other projects for ideas on how to beautify them.

I'm at the step where I'm finalizing design of my cab so looking at your steps and decisions was a huge help - much appreciated!

Design is the most important step, take your time, and good luck!!. ask whatever you need.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 13, 2018, 08:12:37 pm
Thanks all for the comments.

Literally scrolled through the photos to see if you angled the sticks... and I appreciated how you held off on that until the end... and you angled the sticks.

:bat

I did several test on player 3 and 4 to get the perfect angle, I used two 10 years old kids to measure that  :lol
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: Mike A on September 13, 2018, 09:00:34 pm
The perfect angle is straight.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: Zoomie on September 14, 2018, 12:14:19 pm
Many thanks for the replies meduza.
I'll have a look at Ebay for acrylics but I'm considering swapping my crappy 4-switch joysticks for something better.
Finally got my rig playable last night and while I can tolerate clicky buttons, clicky joysticks drove me mad.

I nearly have myself convinced to give sketchup another try.  My first attempt it just seemed overwhelming but I think the benefits are there.  I'd rather over-plan for an easy build than under-plan and end up with a crap end result.  I'm the sort that even small blemishes or errors can't be un-seen.  I definitely can never get a tattoo for that reason!
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: javeryh on September 14, 2018, 03:05:56 pm
The perfect angle is straight.

yeah I don't understand the push back on this from just about every first time builder of a 4P cab.  This is something that has been settled and shouldn't be up to "personal preference" - angled sticks are going to annoy everyone who gets stuck on the end.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: opt2not on September 14, 2018, 03:13:37 pm
The perfect angle is straight.

yeah I don't understand the push back on this from just about every first time builder of a 4P cab.  This is something that has been settled and shouldn't be up to "personal preference" - angled sticks are going to annoy everyone who gets stuck on the end.
People want to learn the hard way.

Or, the novelty of a 4P cabinet's prerequisite seems to only be to just have the extra controls installed, instead of actually making them properly playable. 

But hey, first time builders think they know it all, so what-can-ya-do...
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: AkAdam44 on September 14, 2018, 03:28:19 pm
Looks fantastic!!  I'm looking to build something exactly like this in the next couple months.  Your pics really help out.  I'm sure I'll be back with questions once I get my build going.  Once again, great looking cabinet!!!

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Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 14, 2018, 05:34:01 pm
The perfect angle is straight.

In this panel Player 3 and player 4 stand or sit in angle, I already tested it, and if I put them straight the kids does diagonals and the arm of player 4 will block button 5 and 6 on player 1,  anyway if I see issues in the future, is not a big deal to rotate them on any direction.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 14, 2018, 05:36:57 pm
Looks fantastic!!  I'm looking to build something exactly like this in the next couple months.  Your pics really help out.  I'm sure I'll be back with questions once I get my build going.  Once again, great looking cabinet!!!

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Thanks!

I been working on coding a new program to control the LEDs on the cabinet, that left me with no time, and the pictures I uploaded are not all of them, if you need more details or info about something let me know.  :cheers:
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: yotsuya on September 14, 2018, 05:45:28 pm
The perfect angle is straight.

In this panel Player 3 and player 4 stand or sit in angle, I already tested it, and if I put them straight the kids does diagonals and the arm of player 4 will block button 5 and 6 on player 1,  anyway if I see in the future issues, is not a big deal to rotate them on any direction.

How does the arm of Player 4 get in the way? The physical location of the joystick doesnít change whether theyíre angled or not.

That raises the question, I wonder how much further up the joysticks are on the USS Nimitz as opposed to a traditional Konami?
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: Nephasth on September 14, 2018, 05:59:26 pm
Where's Scott and his diagram?
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: BadMouth on September 14, 2018, 06:07:16 pm
The perfect angle is straight.

In this panel Player 3 and player 4 stand or sit in angle, I already tested it, and if I put them straight the kids does diagonals and the arm of player 4 will block button 5 and 6 on player 1,  anyway if I see in the future issues, is not a big deal to rotate them on any direction.
Angle of player and buttons stays the same, but the joystick should be parallel to the screen.  It's counterintuitive, but the correct way.  Look at the arrows and bolt heads for player 3 and 4 on original games like Gauntlet, TMNT, Simpsons, NFL Blitz, etc.  People instincevely move the joystick in the direction they want the character to go regardless of the angle of their body.  They can adjust to playing on an angl d stick with time,  but WILL HAVE TO ADJUST.

Some of the people telling you to fix it have done the same thing themselves and regretted angling the sticks.  It's not just the old school curmudgeons hating on a different way.

EDIT: swiped generic eric's signature image and added some labels
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: Zoomie on September 14, 2018, 06:21:27 pm
Some of the people telling you to fix it have done the same thing themselves and regretted angling the sticks.  It's not just the old school curmudgeons hating on a different way.

This is some of the best advice you'll see on the board.  It's very important to recognize the difference between people who don't like your aesthetic choices, and those trying to steer you away from bad designs that affect function or construction.  If you're not sure which one it is, ask.  Joystick orientation has been brought up enough that it's safe to assume this is a function one.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: PL1 on September 14, 2018, 06:29:18 pm
Where's Scott and his diagram?
You say it, we play it.   :lol

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20160907125606im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: AkAdam44 on September 14, 2018, 07:49:08 pm
Where's Scott and his diagram?
You say it, we play it.   

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20160907125606im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott
Thanks for the diagram! When I first considered the positioning of my future control panel's joysticks, I thought just like Meduza did. I figured placing them at an angle made the most logical sense. But after reading countless posts on this forum I've decided against it. I'll go with what the experienced guys are recommending.

@Meduza please post as many pics as you have! Would love to see them. Here's what my plans look like so far...any suggestions? The red outline was the original side panel that i just traced. Then I modified it a little and added all my dimensions on the right hand pic in blue.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180914/381d7bb5aca431e92f1069b37dd4708c.jpg)

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Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: opt2not on September 14, 2018, 07:51:14 pm
How does the arm of Player 4 get in the way? The physical location of the joystick doesnít change whether theyíre angled or not.
It's because he has Chance's Flynn CP design. I've been telling people about the indents in this failed design, elbows getting in the way of other players etc...but it falls on deaf ears all in the name of making the CP shape look different.

That CP shape has been perpetuated throughout new projects, and while aesthetically it's different from a traditional CP, functionally and ergonomically it's cumbersome to play on with all 4 players at once.

There's a reason why the traditional CP shape like in PL1's image above is a standard. 
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: PL1 on September 14, 2018, 08:28:30 pm
On a related note, Malenko's Broad Street Bullies (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,140777.0.html) joystick layout is even better than my diagram because he put all four sticks on one horizontal line.

That works better for 2-player twin stick games like Smash T.V.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136713.0;attach=320347;image)


Scott
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: AkAdam44 on September 14, 2018, 10:31:59 pm
On a related note, Malenko's Broad Street Bullies (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,140777.0.html) joystick layout is even better than my diagram because he put all four sticks on one horizontal line.

That works better for 2-player twin stick games like Smash T.V.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136713.0;attach=320347;image)


Scott
So this design will actually give all players less room on the control panel? I thought I would get more elbow room for the two center players since they are spaced apart due to the trackball between them and because they extend out a little farther away from the screen compared to the outside players.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180915/a046b1f8cfea58220b66e744c7364258.jpg)

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Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: opt2not on September 14, 2018, 11:25:53 pm
Quote from: AkAdam44 link=topic=157367.msg1664472#msg1664472
So this design will actually give all players less room on the control panel? I thought I would get more elbow room for the two center players since they are spaced apart due to the trackball between them and because they extend out a little farther away from the screen compared to the outside players.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180915/a046b1f8cfea58220b66e744c7364258.jpg)

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P3ís button arm, his/her elbow gets in the way of P1ís joystick arm, and P4ís joystick arm elbow gets in the way of P2ís button arm.

In the traditional cp set-up, youíd just have the occasional bumping elbows, which can be mitigated by slight standing offset from one another. But this design doesnít give you enough space to move forward or back for that offset standing position so itís more awkward to avoid interfering with other players arms.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 15, 2018, 12:06:33 am
Where's Scott and his diagram?
You say it, we play it.   :lol

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20160907125606im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott

I have to disagree  :-\, my original idea was that, like in the picture, all in line (is easier install the hardware), but after measuring four persons, I found out that they does not fit, the persons on the sides (player 3 and 4) have to play with their arms and head in angle and is very annoying, so, naturally they will open to the side in angle, to avoid the guy next to then, and then they start moving the joystick in the wrong direction.
so the problems I found with straight layout:
1. space between players.
2. so the players move to the sides they will start moving the joystick in diagonals.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: Nephasth on September 15, 2018, 12:13:50 am
Where's Scott and his diagram?
You say it, we play it.   :lol

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20160907125606im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott

I have to disagree  :-\, my original idea was that, like in the picture, all in line (is easier install the hardware), but after measuring four persons, I found out that they does not fit, the persons on the sides (player 3 and 4) have to play with their arms and head in angle and is very annoying, so, naturally they will open to the side in angle, to avoid the guy next to then, and then they start moving the joystick in the wrong direction.
so the problems I found with straight layout:
1. space between players.
2. so the players move to the sides they will start moving the joystick in diagonals.

Multiple members... Years upon years of experience... Yet, we're wrong... ::)
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: JDFan on September 15, 2018, 12:27:39 am
2. so the players move to the sides they will start moving the joystick in diagonals.

Not normally --- When playing off to the side like that it is instinctive to still move the controller up directly toward the screen so when you angle the joystick it will mess up the playing - IF you do not think so try it on an actual 4 player arcade machine at an arcade ( You'll notice they pretty much all do not angle the stick and players have no problems since your hands just think up is directly toward the screen not away from where you are standing.)
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: opt2not on September 15, 2018, 12:53:14 am
Where's Scott and his diagram?
You say it, we play it.   :lol

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20160907125606im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott

I have to disagree  :-\, my original idea was that, like in the picture, all in line (is easier install the hardware), but after measuring four persons, I found out that they does not fit, the persons on the sides (player 3 and 4) have to play with their arms and head in angle and is very annoying, so, naturally they will open to the side in angle, to avoid the guy next to then, and then they start moving the joystick in the wrong direction.
so the problems I found with straight layout:
1. space between players.
2. so the players move to the sides they will start moving the joystick in diagonals.

Multiple members... Years upon years of experience... Yet, we're wrong... ::)
...and an industry standard back in the arcade days. But hey like I said, the novelty of a 4P cabinet is greater than it actually being properly functional. Iím sure all your hipster friends will be impressed.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 15, 2018, 12:03:41 pm
I have no idea what is your crusade guys, is not the end of the world and I almost sure you will never be here to use it... I just place two ten year old kinds on player 3 and 4 and I set the angle based on their behavior, If, I have to do it, I will do it straight, is easier, looks correct, but my experience was different.. I don't say I right or wrong. I just did a test and based my layout on the results.... ::)
I normally don't play player 3 or 4, only when playing The Simpson 4 players (I use Lisa normally) and works fine... so is more a personal thing than a standard ...
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: yotsuya on September 15, 2018, 12:05:04 pm
Iíd say the goal is to prevent other people from doing it the wrong way.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: opt2not on September 15, 2018, 12:55:57 pm
Iíd say the goal is to prevent other people from doing it the wrong way.
Yup exactly.
Clearly the OP isnít going to change his mind, despite multiple experienced members telling him itís wrong, AND even official original 4P cabinets mounted them straight.
But for any other members reading this, hereís a prime example of how a nicely build cabinet can be wasted on a bad playability.

Ps. Itís a good thing Konami didnít base their designs on 10 year old kidís opinions or we wouldnít have one of the most successful quarter sucking games of all time...

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/183300305238-0-1/s-l1000.jpg)

...next to X-men:
(https://r.mprd.se/MAME/cpanel/xmen.png)

Even the 6-player cab, with Dazzler and Cyclopsí positions at extreme angles to the monitor has them mounted straight.
(https://i.imgur.com/p0H20LQ_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

But hey, what do we and official arcade manufactures know?
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: yotsuya on September 15, 2018, 01:52:50 pm
No, it ***was*** a standard BITD. You wonít find a single original 4 player cab with angled joysticks. Thatís a BYOAC thing.

I mean, if it works for you and your kids, great- but itís just good that you know in case the first time you have a party and your buddies comment that something doesnít feel right. And to be fair, youíre right - at least you didnít route the area out - you can adjust and remount fairly easily.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: PL1 on September 16, 2018, 01:18:04 am
You wonít find a single original 4 player cab with angled joysticks.
Before making an absolute claim like that, you may want to look at the Captain America & the Avengers flyer here (https://flyers.arcade-museum.com/?page=flyer&db=videodb&id=1573&image=1).  The bolts on P4's stick are clearly angled.

There was some disagreement on this list (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,87347.msg1301886.html#msg1301886) by DM, but you might be able to confirm/disprove using flyers because companies aren't likely to use crappy conversion cabs in an ad.

You can also add the much-maligned 2-player titles Virtua Fighter and Virtua Fighter 2 to DM's list. (image from VF2 manual)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=118037.0;attach=179395;image)

Shponglefan understands this ongoing discussion.
Seriously, why do you guys care so much what people do with their own arcades in their own homes?

(http://craphound.com/images/xkcdwrongoninternet.jpg)

Bottom line: A few cabs came from the factory with angled sticks, but the vast majority, including the most popular and well-received titles, did not.


Scott
Title: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: yotsuya on September 16, 2018, 03:01:36 am
Good luck with your build
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 18, 2018, 10:58:58 am
Added a video of the initial work on the illumination system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbuePBl1W0Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbuePBl1W0Y)
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 18, 2018, 04:21:10 pm
Good luck with your build

Tnx for the tip, if someone start complaining about the angle, I will put it right.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: AkAdam44 on September 18, 2018, 04:44:57 pm
Added a video of the initial work on the illumination system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbuePBl1W0Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbuePBl1W0Y)
The buttons look great! Would you mind sharing a link to the buttons you used and which RGB LEDs to go with them. Pretty sure I want those exact buttons for my C.P.

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Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 18, 2018, 06:21:18 pm
Added a video of the initial work on the illumination system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbuePBl1W0Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbuePBl1W0Y)
The buttons look great! Would you mind sharing a link to the buttons you used and which RGB LEDs to go with them. Pretty sure I want those exact buttons for my C.P.

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The button are the iL PSL-L Translucent with Black Concave, and convex for the pinball buttons. (industrias lorenzo from arcade paradise)
The LEDs are my own creation, I did a hole on the button, and added a 5mm LED, but you can get the 12v ones that also fit perfectly.
The software is LEDSpicer, a program for linux, in development right now by me, but I will post more details when I get it into beta stage (very soon).
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: AkAdam44 on September 18, 2018, 09:28:43 pm
Added a video of the initial work on the illumination system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbuePBl1W0Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbuePBl1W0Y)
The buttons look great! Would you mind sharing a link to the buttons you used and which RGB LEDs to go with them. Pretty sure I want those exact buttons for my C.P.

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The button are the iL PSL-L Translucent with Black Concave, and convex for the pinball buttons. (industrias lorenzo from arcade paradise)
The LEDs are my own creation, I did a hole on the button, and added a 5mm LED, but you can get the 12v ones that also fit perfectly.
The software is LEDSpicer, a program for linux, in development right now by me, but I will post more details when I get it into beta stage (very soon).
Ok, I found the buttons...
https://paradisearcadeshop.com/home/controls/buttons/buttons-il-industrias-lorenzo/il-psl-l-transparent/2309_il-psl-l-translucent-with-black-concave-plunger?search_query=PSL-L+Translucent&results=179#/choose_a_microswitch-75_gram_cherry_microswitch/pushbuttons-white

But if I want the same RGB LED effect without making my own, like you have done, do you think this is what I would need?
https://paradisearcadeshop.com/home/electrical/leds/button-leds/100_il-lumination-rgb-5vdc-led-#idTab5


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Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: meduza on September 19, 2018, 01:11:59 am
Ok, I found the buttons...
Excellent!
But if I want the same RGB LED effect without making my own, like you have done, do you think this is what I would need?
https://paradisearcadeshop.com/home/electrical/leds/button-leds/100_il-lumination-rgb-5vdc-led-#idTab5
What platform you going to use on your machine?
I will finish the program soon and you will be able to use it, but only if you run on Linux.
Right now is working fine, but still on alpha stage (finishing stuff and fixing bugs).
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: AkAdam44 on September 19, 2018, 06:26:04 am
Ok, I found the buttons...
Excellent!
But if I want the same RGB LED effect without making my own, like you have done, do you think this is what I would need?
https://paradisearcadeshop.com/home/electrical/leds/button-leds/100_il-lumination-rgb-5vdc-led-#idTab5
What platform you going to use on your machine?
I will finish the program soon and you will be able to use it, but only if you run on Linux.
Right now is working fine, but still on alpha stage (finishing stuff and fixing bugs).
I'll be using Windows 10 with either LaunchBox or HyperSpin. So I'll use LEDBlinky

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Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: solocon on December 15, 2018, 12:10:29 am
Wow! Great job!! I'm new to the cabinet builds and really like this design. How does one go about getting the designs for something like this? Would like to build something like it if I can.
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: arcadefanatic56 on December 15, 2018, 07:57:11 pm
super nice cab!
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: DaOld Man on December 16, 2018, 12:58:57 pm
Good build..

Now, about the 4 player joystick angles, on the original cabs, (not this project), why are the buttons for players 3 and 4 angles different while the joysticks are not?
Title: Re: New 4 players Cabinet Build: Gaudium Maxima - worklog
Post by: JDFan on December 16, 2018, 01:09:56 pm
Good build..

Now, about the 4 player joystick angles, on the original cabs, (not this project), why are the buttons for players 3 and 4 angles different while the joysticks are not?

Because your hands change position when off to the sides so moving the buttons plays more comfortably -  but your mind still tells you that up is toward the screen even if you are standing sideways to it !