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Title: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Spring construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 02, 2008, 07:48:47 pm
Well, I really didn't want to start into another project this soon, but who does?  I am dismantling my current jukebox in order to make this one.  With that said, I have the following things already:
1) 19" touchscreen
2) 22" widescreen second monitor
3) 2 ledwiz controllers and 20 rgb led's from ggg
4) 2 250 watt cerwin vega floor speaker assemblies
5) Kenwood amp
6) Karoake amp
7) Betabrite

In order to get me super motivated, I purchased this computer package today for $299:
New Computer (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3947466&sku=P450-9108%20C&srkey=XFX%20MG-610i-7059%20Socket%20775%20Barebones%20Kit)
Intel Pentium D 945 3.40GHz OEM, 500GB SATA HD, 20x DVD±RW, 3GB DDR2 PC5400, ATX Mid Tower Case, 500 Watt Power Supply

Now, with the help of the shopbot cnc, I plan to include many things that I would have never been able to before.  This may be slow in getting started, but I am looking forward to it! :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: leapinlew on July 02, 2008, 07:55:53 pm
I need more backstory...

What happened with the previous jukebox?

With that shopbot, and your imagination.... sky's the limit
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: mccoy178 on July 02, 2008, 09:22:54 pm
Here is the link to the old jukebox.  It was great and the students loved it, but I just want to try something different and more authentic looking.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=69257.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=69257.0)

Here are some youtube videos of it working:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=69257.msg784051#msg784051 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=69257.msg784051#msg784051)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: mountain on July 02, 2008, 10:06:25 pm
You can't do that! :angry:

That thing was too cool. When can I come pick up the shell of the old juke  ;D

Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: Franco B on July 03, 2008, 01:16:54 am
That thing sure as hell is/was (:'() cool!

I cant blame you for wanting to make another now you have your shopbot.

Do you have anything in mind design wise etc for it?
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: mccoy178 on July 03, 2008, 09:03:18 am
Do you have anything in mind design wise etc for it?
Something of this variety, but without the wood grain:
(http://www.putterfingers.co.uk/images/Wurlitzer%20CD%20wood%20RGB.jpg)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: shardian on July 03, 2008, 09:13:51 am
Have you considered just selling the old one? That thing was sweet and I'm sure you could get good money for it.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: leapinlew on July 03, 2008, 10:15:58 am
Have you considered just selling the old one? That thing was sweet and I'm sure you could get good money for it.
Good point! Thats probably what I would've done. Sounds like it's already been disassembled though.

Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: mccoy178 on July 03, 2008, 11:41:36 am
I haven't done anything with it yet.  The big trade off is that I'm just giving up on all the time put into it.  I can sell the shell I guess, as it is already for a setup.  The hassle of training someone to use it is the underlying problem.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: NiN^_^NiN on July 03, 2008, 08:25:43 pm
Funny enough i'm doing this myself but im cheating basically :P

http://ebs.ez.net.au/images/ebs_products/musicalInstruments/jukebox/img_01.jpg

I'm buying this 3 cd wurlitzer clone from ebay and gutting it and putting a 7" touchscreen and making it coin operated i've got all the parts besides the jukebox gotta wait 30days for it to be shipped to australia

It's only 1meter tall but on a stand it works out nicely i'll probably use a keywiz aswell to have some coloured leds sadly it's missing the bubble effect but i know the mini wirlitzer i got prevously had a bubbler and all it was is oil that bubbles when it heats up (the glass that holds the oil in it when it bubbles exploded and i got a refund)

If you need any pics or mesurments on anything on my juke im happy to help when i recieve it

Just wish i had money to get a real wurlitzer  :'(
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: mccoy178 on July 03, 2008, 11:59:53 pm
Thanks to Mountains' suggestion, I decided to tackle the bubbler system today.  I bought a dual air pump for a fish tank today at PetSmart and some 3/4" od 1/2" id tubing from Home Depot.  With just the right amount of light air release, perfectly timed bubbles rise up through the tubes.  Tomorrow I'm going to see if the local Tractor Supply Company is open and get a 1/2" t valve with a pressure release.  Pics to come in the near future for those of you who have no clue what I'm talking about. ;)

EDIT:
Here are some youtube videos of what I'm talking about.  It's the tubes with air bubbles on the edges.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABulxFikby8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsQCXhLosoY&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTwqgDpxz5g&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: BASS! on July 04, 2008, 03:57:40 am
Man thats going to be a lot of finishing work. I wish I had a huge shop and a bunch of minions I could enslave to help me with my projects:-( But watching that build you did was very informative, and I can definitely see your going to do a great job:-)

I say sell it on craigslist for $1000 with the disclaimer: Must have some technological experience to set up and use. This jukebox does not use cds and will play mp3s. For amusement only.
On top of that the text saying that your gameroom needs one of these, be the envy of all your friends.  Hehehe. Just a thought.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: mccoy178 on July 04, 2008, 10:28:42 am
I found this while wasting some time this morning.  I submit for your viewing pleasure on this 4th of July:
(http://www.trimoor.com/jukebox/front.jpg)

(http://www.trimoor.com/jukebox/side.jpg)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: mccoy178 on July 04, 2008, 04:53:32 pm
Okay, I need some input.  Small bubbles or large?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWSYBtSYZow[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: jfunk on July 04, 2008, 05:20:40 pm
Small bubbles!
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: Namco on July 04, 2008, 08:29:45 pm
Big Bubbles!
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: Singapura on July 04, 2008, 10:36:47 pm
No small!
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: Singapura on July 04, 2008, 10:38:38 pm
Quote
found this while wasting some time this morning.  I submit for your viewing pleasure on this 4th of July:

Is there something like a hellcade for jukeboxes? That looks hideous  >:D
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: Ed_McCarron on July 04, 2008, 10:50:42 pm
McCoy, if you haven't already thought of this...

Be sure that the feed air line is long enough to go up ABOVE the top of the bubbler tube and then loop down to the pump.  That way, if the pump shuts down, the water stays in the tube.

It only takes one failed flapper valve to make a wet mess on the floor.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: mccoy178 on July 04, 2008, 10:58:45 pm
Good idea! :cheers:

No small!
Is this a vote for small or big?
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: BASS! on July 05, 2008, 02:16:09 am
I like big bubbles!!! This is going to be a vote. Throw one in the topic for voting!
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: Encryptor on July 05, 2008, 07:33:43 am
Small

Encryptor
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style
Post by: soup on July 05, 2008, 09:42:58 am
Hmm, I would go the big bubbles as the smaller faster bubbles create too much *noise* (not sound, but looks) - as in it creates too much of a busy scene drawing too much attention away from other parts of your juke box you want to show off (going by your previous project their is much to admire  :) ). But this is only my personal view as I was looking at doing a similar jukebox project (albeit very much on the amateur scale) for my 'try hard' imitation of a Wurlitzer (changed direction halfway, hopefully not as bad looking as the example you posted).

Be really interested in seeing how you implement the bubbler part, started looking into the 'how' but ran out of time to do so with my juke.
I'm assuming their is a bit of noise with the pump? The biggest issue I have with my jukebox is the sound of the fans as with ppl over it's not always used at full volume :)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: Ed_McCarron on July 05, 2008, 10:23:17 am
One other thought...  Be sure to add some bleach or alcohol to the tube to prevent plant growth.  You're making a nice aerated algae farm there.  Water + air + light = green stuff.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: mccoy178 on July 05, 2008, 11:29:25 am
Again................brilliant!
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: NiN^_^NiN on July 05, 2008, 12:00:04 pm
I can tell you that pc modders who use water as a cooler use distilled water and water wetter mix which stops any type of algae growing

It's sold at pepboys (some american auto shop)

The bubbler wurlitzer used a chemical called Dichloromethane which is all toxic which i don't reccomend it was a closed system the heat from the bulbs created the bubbles.

I do believe there is an oil that is the same and will boil(create bubbes) with little heat and non toxic
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: Goz on July 07, 2008, 02:04:29 am
How about mineral oil it was frequently used in the 70's to make groovy stuff like Rain lamps, etc. If memory serves heat was applied and it did a bubble thing.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: Havok on July 07, 2008, 03:08:36 am
Small!
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: 8way on July 07, 2008, 07:36:12 am
Small.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: Franco B on July 07, 2008, 08:04:03 am
Very cool buddy.  8)

You could always have two tubes next to each other, one with large bubbles and one with small. Or you could even have three - large bubbles in the center pipe and small ones in the outer two.

You could maybe even use different diameters of pipe (eg, one large pipe and two smaller ones etc)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: mccoy178 on July 07, 2008, 08:38:43 am
Very cool buddy.  8)

You could always have two tubes next to each other, one with large bubbles and one with small. Or you could even have three - large bubbles in the center pipe and small ones in the outer two.

You could maybe even use different diameters of pipe (eg, one large pipe and two smaller ones etc)
Hey, you trying to kill me here?!  ;D

How about mineral oil it was frequently used in the 70's to make groovy stuff like Rain lamps, etc. If memory serves heat was applied and it did a bubble thing.
I'll have to do some google searching on that.

I am going to a plastic store today and look into solid clear tubing.  I am also going to head over to the aluminum yard and see what kind of stock they have for cutting out the accent pieces and speaker grill. :applaud:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: NiN^_^NiN on July 07, 2008, 09:34:28 am
Seems goz is right on track

http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php

altho it's a computer they are just using an air stone (the air filters in fish tanks that blow air) so it seems the oil won't harbour bacteria so that seems like the solution as the water creates algae

do double check the oil wont create mould etc as i did a quick search and nothing came up but just to be safe
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: mccoy178 on July 07, 2008, 11:44:10 am
Seems goz is right on track

http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php

altho it's a computer they are just using an air stone (the air filters in fish tanks that blow air) so it seems the oil won't harbour bacteria so that seems like the solution as the water creates algae

do double check the oil wont create mould etc as i did a quick search and nothing came up but just to be safe
Most excellent computer they have there.  I will be stopping by the vets office before this is all over. ;)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: mccoy178 on July 07, 2008, 03:55:48 pm
Okay, shopping list update:
1.  The computer arrived today.  Everything made it but the case.
2.  I bought 5/8" and  3/8" hard tubing for the bubbler.  $35
3.  I bought 1/4" x 24" x 55" black plexi as it will be the main accent piece of the jukebox.  (Mountain, I need to borrow your polishing skills) $110
4.  I bought 1/16" x 24" x 48" qty.2 of soft aluminum to create all of the accent pieces and the speaker grill.  $34
5.  The local animal hospital said a gallon of mineral oil will be $18.

Now it is time to start designing. :applaud:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Small bubbles or big? You decide.....
Post by: mccoy178 on July 08, 2008, 01:24:39 am
I've started to do some Sketchup of what I'm thinking.  I've decided that I will not be able to bend the top curve with tubing like I planned, so the project has changed a little.  This pic is how far I got tonight.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Google Sketchup Mockup in Progress
Post by: NiN^_^NiN on July 08, 2008, 04:03:30 am
Im guessing it's the bigger tube and not the bubble tube thats giving you the problem with bending it?

I looked into doing this years ago and i found some clear huge tubing just like the bubble tube you have  which would bend easily.

Not knowing what tubing your using couldn't you do the wurlitzer style but instead of it being bent have it square?

could have the accent pieces on the top corners it think a square version of a wurlitzer with the lil viewing window would be cool
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Google Sketchup Mockup in Progress
Post by: shardian on July 08, 2008, 11:37:29 am
Ahh, I found the reason why you decided to do this project...can't say I blame you! You have a proof of concept already to go by.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=81207.msg847697#msg847697

I bet that thing would weight a ton though.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Google Sketchup Mockup in Progress
Post by: Franco B on July 08, 2008, 11:50:24 am
Ahh, I found the reason why you decided to do this project...can't say I blame you! You have a proof of concept already to go by.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=81207.msg847697#msg847697

I bet that thing would weight a ton though.

Wow! That thing is amazing!  :o
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 10, 2008, 09:35:32 am
I finally was able to start cutting tonight.  The video is kind of jacked up, but you can at least get the idea.   :cheers:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e37zfdhMJE8[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has begun!
Post by: javeryh on July 10, 2008, 09:41:25 am
I can't believe you did all that in one night.  It looks like everything was cut PERFECTLY too.  I am jealous of your skills and your awesome woodshop.  This thing is going to be great!   :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has begun!
Post by: Franco B on July 10, 2008, 09:58:20 am
Dammit!!  :hissy: I can't see youtube videos at work (cough cough, I mean on this certain PC at home).

Im going to have to wait until I get home tomorrow to see. (Unless you have a photobucket account you can upload to, I can see videos hosted there  :)) 

I wanna see :-[
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 10, 2008, 10:44:58 am
I can't believe you did all that in one night.  It looks like everything was cut PERFECTLY too.  I am jealous of your skills and your awesome woodshop.  This thing is going to be great!   :cheers:
Well, I would like to take credit for the leet cutting skillz, but I must give credit where credit is due.  The shopbot cnc did the cutting.  I just drew what I wanted on the laptop.

Dammit!!  :hissy: I can't see youtube videos at work (cough cough, I mean on this certain PC at home).

Im going to have to wait until I get home tomorrow to see. (Unless you have a photobucket account you can upload to, I can see videos hosted there  :)) 

I wanna see :-[
Sorry brother, it's 135mb.  That's why it didn't get posted last night because it wasn't done by the time I passed out. :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has begun!
Post by: Franco B on July 10, 2008, 10:50:20 am
Ah well, all good things come to those who wait. Im sure its worth it   :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 11, 2008, 12:25:21 am
Well, after further review, I decided that the current cabinet is too big.  It's measurements are 36" wide x 60" tall x 25" deep.  I have just spent the last 3.5 hours redrawing everything and changing some of the design.  The new measurements are 32" wide x 58" tall x 20" deep.  I think it will look a little skinnier, but it won't stick out into the room so far.  As I post this, it is about 12:30 am.  I will report back later after things are cut and that should tell how long the process of cutting takes. :dizzy:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 11, 2008, 03:32:53 am
Each sheet took about an hour each and after sanding and assembly it took around 3 hours total.  I made a couple simple mistakes, but I like the tab system of holding it together.  I plan on expanding on that idea tomorrow, (or later today I guess).  Here are some pictures for your enjoyment.  I hope by the end of tomorrow I have it about 70-80% done.  That is the tremendously huge advantage of the cnc.  The great news is that once it is built, I can reproduce it by just selecting that file on the laptop. :cheers:
Here is the shopbot in action:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104671;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104673;image)

Here is the new and the old sitting together in harmony:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104675;image)

Here are some various pics of the cabinet:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104677;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104679;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104681;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: Barry Barcrest on July 11, 2008, 10:47:43 am
So you may be offering these as kits then dude  >:D
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: javeryh on July 11, 2008, 11:44:39 am
Wow CNC machines look like a lot of fun.  Too bad I'll never get to play around with one.   :-[
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: shardian on July 11, 2008, 03:56:42 pm
That is just plain badass how the name of the piece is scribed into the wood. A kit would be very interesting indeed!
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 12, 2008, 03:20:15 am
I decided to focus on the inside tonight.  Upon consideration of where everything would fit, I decided to keep six inches open behind the speakers for the receiver.  I also determined that the wide screen and the small touchscreen will barely, and I mean barely fit inside the area available.  I'll try to get the touchscreen area done over the weekend and the bubbler areas.  I have 20 rgb's to install, so I was trying to determine how and where to incorporate them all.  Now to the pics:

I decided to make a slide in sleeve type of contraption so that I could build the outsides, slide in the inside, and finish installation.  It took about three hours to draw up all the details, but it was fun.  By having the speakers sitting back appx. 3 inches, I should be able to fit the speaker grills and any lighting in there without issue.  Here is a three pic tutorial on how it went together.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104729;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104731;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104733;image)

Here is the jukebox with everything sitting in there loose:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104735;image)

Here is a shot of the back.  I did not make a back of the speaker box yet, as I still need to determine where the pressure holes will go and exactly what is going behind it.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104737;image)

And in closing, just a few more shots of the total progress:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104739;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104741;image)

I love the idea that this has only cost $70 in material to make so far.  I think that I will be under $125 in wood by the time it's all said and done. :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: mountain on July 12, 2008, 01:49:14 pm
Man, that thing is going to be nice! I like those round at the top Jukes ;). Are you re-using the Cerwin Vega's?
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 12, 2008, 06:29:03 pm
I am indeed reusing the cerwin vega's.  Today I made the shelf for the touch screen and drew up how I wanted the bubbler area to look.  The only issue I continue to mess up is the ribs that hold the top together.  They are a small footprint, so at least making them three or four times isn't using a lot of material.  I kept the touchscreen 1/4" from the front in order to have room for the plexiglass.  Here are some progress pics:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104752;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104754;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104756;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104758;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104760;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 14, 2008, 12:32:11 am
Well, I was hoping to have one whale of an update tonight, but the machine is still cutting.  All day yesterday I thought and thought about the bubbler area and how I wanted it to look.  During the early evening into the night my mind churned.  Even as I went to the movies with the wife and then on to bed I thought.  I almost had it.  Then, around 4am, I woke up with the idea in my head.  It took my about four hours tonight to draw the idea and get the tool pathing done properly, but I will say this, I am very excited to see the results.  I doubt the machine will be done for another couple hours, so I'm going home.  I will throw a pic of it cutting, but no major updates until tomorrow night.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 14, 2008, 01:47:45 am
Here are a couple cutting pics.  I don't know if they can be seen or not, but the first two pics are of all the guide holes that will hold everything together.  You can see where I started off with the wrong bit and thought I was going to burn the whole gig down.  The last pic is of where progress was when I left.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104837;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104839;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104841;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: javeryh on July 14, 2008, 10:45:21 am
Awesome.  So you can design the thing on the computer and the CNC machine will cut everything out exactly?  I assume you can check on the computer to make sure everything will line up once cut?  That is so cool.  I've never seen one of those things in action before... It would take me months to do what you have done in a few days...   :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 14, 2008, 11:16:36 am
Awesome.  So you can design the thing on the computer and the CNC machine will cut everything out exactly?  I assume you can check on the computer to make sure everything will line up once cut?  That is so cool.  I've never seen one of those things in action before... It would take me months to do what you have done in a few days...   :cheers:
There are a couple of ways of accomplishing this.  First, which I am hoping to do in the future, is to design everything in a CAD program like Sketchup, Autocad, ProE, etc., flatten the parts out, then cut them out.  Second, the way I am doing it now, is to design it flat piece by piece and hope that the measurements come out.  So far so good.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 14, 2008, 12:14:26 pm
Well, I'm on break for a little while.  A green bean monster is taking all my time! :notworthy:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: kizer on July 14, 2008, 06:07:54 pm
That is simply impressive as heck. Wow
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 14, 2008, 06:54:37 pm
Here is a sneak preview of the pillar/bubbler area.  Everything is held together by the three aluminum rods.  I didn't buy a 4th yet, as I'm still deciding whether or not to just use dow rods and cut the middle/visible parts out.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104919;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104921;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104923;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104925;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104927;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: Jigenjuke on July 14, 2008, 11:10:54 pm
Wow!  Great work.  All I wanna ask is when are the kits available and how much is shipping to Japan  ;D
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Construction has rebegun!
Post by: mccoy178 on July 15, 2008, 01:44:54 am
I have decided to take a break on the designing and talk a little bit about how and why I decided to design the bubbler tubes.  I kept looking at the shell and wondering how in the world I would be able to design the tubes and make them something I would like.  If you google Wurlitzer 1015, you will see the traditional design that I wanted to copy.  The link that Shardian posted also had some features that I wanted to incorporate.  The problem that I had was that I had no idea how to create the 3d look.  With the combination of my experience with the cnc, past projects, and just research and poking and proding things I see in the real world, I came up with the current design. 

What was so difficult about what I made was that I made it out of thin air and designed it in 2d on the computer.  It took forever to make sure I had the proper measurements and the holes in the proper places.  Once I had a base to go with, I was able to customize the rest to what I wanted.  Take for example the base.  I decided that I wanted to create a base for the shell to sit on.  In order to do this, I had to layer the pieces together.  In thinking about each layer, I came up with the following adjustments:

The very first piece I designed was the piece that would be the top of the base and connect to the shell.  The bottom of the shell is made of 1/2" pressboard, so I decided to countersink 1/2" into the base piece.  Once I had that, I decided that I wanted the base to have some width to it.  I made it 1" wider all around except in the middle of the front and the rear, where it is 1/2".  Once I had that, I considered the other layers and decided to create 1/4" guide holes that dow rods could be used in to align everything.  Then, after I had everything done, I remembered that I had forgotten the hole for the bubbler tube.  I had to go back and add that hole to 27 pieces!  So, here is the very first piece that was designed on the computer:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104941;image)

Next, I decided to design the rest of the base.  In contemplating how tall I wanted it to be, I decided that two to three inches would be fine.  By adding four 4" circles to the bottom and three layers, that would give me a 2 1/2" addition to the total height of the machine.  Here is the middle section of the base:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104939;image)

When making the very bottom of the base, I decided to add (or leave, depending upon how you look at it) squares in the back to support the bottom 4" discs.  Here is the bottom of the base:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104937;image)

After I went back and added the .630" hole for the bubbler tube, I remembered the plumbing.  To accommodate
 that, I added a square to be cut out so that the area around the bubbler tube would be left open.  Now I can fit a 90 degree elbow at the base.  You can see that I did not go all the way through on the top section of the base, as I forgot about it and I didn't want to go back again.  As it stands, I have 1 1/2"'s to work with and if I need that additional 1/4", I can just use a flush trim bit to open that area up.  Here is the front of all three base sections:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104943;image)

Here is the back of all three base pieces.  As I just copied and pasted that top layer, you can see how I changed each piece on the laptop to suit the needs of each piece:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104945;image)

Here is all three pieces sitting together:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104947;image)

Now, I needed to design the pieces that would go up the sides.  A couple of things had to be considered.  1.  It had to not only be aesthetically pleasing, but also functional.  2.  It had to have a 3d look to it, to create "curb appeal" if you will.  3.  It had to be able to hold the light lense and the bubbler tube.  and 4.  It had to be able to easily attach to the shell.

With these things to consider, I started off with some basics.  The fatter pieces would be center pieces in the base, the middle, and the top.  Skinnier, 1/2" press board would be skinnier and have the responsibility of holding the light lense in place.  After those were designed, I started to really look at the shell and see where I could add features to really set the pieces off.  If you look, I added a 3/4" wrap around that hooks into the middle of the machine.  With the 1/4" black plexi, the bubbler pieces will fit right up to the face of the middle.  In the back, I decided to go 1/2" past the edge of the shell.  This will allow for some accented trim pieces and give the juke just that much more "curb appeal".  In the end, there are 14- 3/4" pieces and 8- 1/2" pieces.  Here is an example of the 3/4" mdf middle pieces and a 1/2" pressed board piece with the channel routed for the light lense:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104949;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104951;image)

There is to be a 1/4" round over put on each of these to go along with the rounded theme:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104953;image)

Using the 1/4" guide holes, I am using a piece of aluminum rod for demonstration.  Here is all of the pieces of the base attached:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104955;image)

Here is a view of the back of the base:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104957;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104961;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104963;image)

Here is the front with everything in place.  Although the light is deceiving, the pieces are alligned perfectly:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104959;image)

Here is the front with the bubbler tube in place:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104965;image)

Here is a shot of the underside with the open area for attaching the plumbing to the bubbler:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=104967;image)

Sorry for the long post, but I realized that I hadn't been really explaining any of the ideas or concepts.  It was a nice break to do this and I hope this will help others in their planning of projects. :cheers:



Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Franco B on July 15, 2008, 02:56:24 am
I really can appreciate the work thats going into this. Respect brother  :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: shardian on July 15, 2008, 01:19:19 pm
What is the plastic diffuser material you are putting in behind the bubbler tubes? I just re-read the last post and didn't see it mentioned anywhere.

Also, have you looked into diy vacuum forming to make plastics similar to the original bubbler machines? I've seen people make small to medium scale diy vacuum formers. I figure with your skills and access to shop grade equipment, you might be capable of making a 2'x3' vacuum former.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on July 16, 2008, 02:05:42 am
What is the plastic diffuser material you are putting in behind the bubbler tubes? I just re-read the last post and didn't see it mentioned anywhere.

Also, have you looked into diy vacuum forming to make plastics similar to the original bubbler machines? I've seen people make small to medium scale diy vacuum formers. I figure with your skills and access to shop grade equipment, you might be capable of making a 2'x3' vacuum former.
I used a 2' x 4' light diffuser from Lowe's.  It cost $7.  I did look into vacuum forming, but I just don't have enough time to truly make it happen the way I would like.

Here is some more pictures I took tonight.  I remade a few parts to adjust how things fit together.  I also remade the insert piece so that the middle monitor was angled back two inches instead of two and a half.  The speaker holes were a little small, so I remade that, as well as a couple of the smaller pieces.  I slapped it all together with the base in just for poops and giggles.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105028;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105030;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105032;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105034;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105036;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Blanka on July 16, 2008, 02:30:45 am
If you use a serious speaker system like you did, I would try to make the casing of the speakers more sturdy. Maybe you need to segment it, give each speaker its own box, and for the woofers the box maybe 1.5 inch thick on all sides. Try to keep the boxes from being too rectangular to reduce standing waves. This is especially true for the midrange. The woofers produce too long waves to be affected by a box around 1 feet dimensions. Also fill the boxes with cloth or rockwool. Keep the opening for the wires minimal. Otherwise it is almost a pitty that you bought woofers like that. You limit 80% of their potention if they are mounted in one big hollow space with only 3/4 inch panels. Guess for the weight of your speakers, around 100lb of MDF may be necessary for casing the speakers themselves already.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Donkey_Kong on July 16, 2008, 02:30:28 pm
I really been wanting to make a juke now and one of my concerns was high powered vibrations. Is this ever a concern? I mean here you have a pair of (i think 12"?) high powered subs that are all going to be contained with the rest of your components, pc stuff, touchscreens, etc. Will the stuff be vulnerable to damage from vibrations? If so what do you do to address an issue like that on this project? (might not be an issue at all, just wanted to check) Also, what brand/model are you using again for an amp to power the big boomers?

So far it's looking great and you are moving super fast on it, thanks again for sharing your projects with us.

Edit: That's funny, I didn't read blankas post till now. I think his idea is addressing that type of concern??

Otherwise it is almost a pitty that you bought woofers like that.

So what do you suggest...smaller? I think those are spot on for this size of juke myself.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on July 17, 2008, 01:24:13 am
If you use a serious speaker system like you did, I would try to make the casing of the speakers more sturdy. Maybe you need to segment it, give each speaker its own box, and for the woofers the box maybe 1.5 inch thick on all sides. Try to keep the boxes from being too rectangular to reduce standing waves. This is especially true for the midrange. The woofers produce too long waves to be affected by a box around 1 feet dimensions. Also fill the boxes with cloth or rockwool. Keep the opening for the wires minimal. Otherwise it is almost a pitty that you bought woofers like that. You limit 80% of their potention if they are mounted in one big hollow space with only 3/4 inch panels. Guess for the weight of your speakers, around 100lb of MDF may be necessary for casing the speakers themselves already.
Thanks for the post.   :cheers: I have been wondering about the speaker box considering all six speakers were in the same space.  I have a solution for that I believe.

I really been wanting to make a juke now and one of my concerns was high powered vibrations. Is this ever a concern? I mean here you have a pair of (i think 12"?) high powered subs that are all going to be contained with the rest of your components, pc stuff, touchscreens, etc. Will the stuff be vulnerable to damage from vibrations? If so what do you do to address an issue like that on this project? (might not be an issue at all, just wanted to check) Also, what brand/model are you using again for an amp to power the big boomers?

So far it's looking great and you are moving super fast on it, thanks again for sharing your projects with us.

Edit: That's funny, I didn't read blankas post till now. I think his idea is addressing that type of concern??

Otherwise it is almost a pitty that you bought woofers like that.

So what do you suggest...smaller? I think those are spot on for this size of juke myself.
I didn't have any issues with the other juke as far as vibrations are concerned.  When this is finished, I would be amazed if it vibrates terribly due to the insane weight of the whole machine.  I am using a kenwood receiver to power everything.  The speakers themselves have a small power unit that I attach the speaker wire to that control their output.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Neilyboy on July 17, 2008, 09:33:06 am
mccoy, holy hell man this is just sick!! you my friend have a true talent!

keep up the great work man I can not wait to see this thing progress.

neil
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Donkey_Kong on July 18, 2008, 01:11:43 am
I didn't have any issues with the other juke as far as vibrations are concerned.  When this is finished, I would be amazed if it vibrates terribly due to the insane weight of the whole machine.  I am using a kenwood receiver to power everything.  The speakers themselves have a small power unit that I attach the speaker wire to that control their output.

Oh yea i never thought of the overall weight of the juke to hold er down. I'm happy to hear this isn't a concern. I might have to consider some of blanka's suggestions for when I make one. I want to go with some big boomers myself and limiting the performance wouldn't be cool.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on July 22, 2008, 12:04:09 am
I decided to take the advice on the speaker box enclosure for the subs.  Thought I would share a website that is very helpful in calculating what size the sub will need. :cheers:

EDIT:  It would probably help if I included the website! :dizzy:
http://www.bcae1.com/spboxnew2.htm (http://www.bcae1.com/spboxnew2.htm)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: DaOld Man on July 22, 2008, 12:07:25 pm
I hate you guys with CNC's... (man I wished I could have one too!)
Seriously, you are doing a great job!
Cant wait to see the final results.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: newtrix on July 29, 2008, 04:30:14 pm
No Progress?  No Pictures? Your killing us here... :dunno :hissy:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on July 30, 2008, 04:32:16 pm
Sorry for the delay.  I went on a road trip last week and I have been hired to make a sign for my local community.  It's top secret for our town, but I don't mind sharing it with youse guys.  I will post pics of the pink foam board mockup I'm cutting right now.  It's a 4' x 8' sign.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on July 31, 2008, 04:23:20 am
Here's those pics of the sign mockup.  I need to clean up all of the insert letters, but all is going well.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105737;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105739;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105741;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105743;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on July 31, 2008, 05:57:08 pm
Here are some more pics with most of the letters installed.  The lake logo is also installed in the top.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105759;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105761;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=105763;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mountain on July 31, 2008, 06:05:02 pm
Holy crap dude! That looks amazing! Did they supply you with the files?

Choctaw Lake is nice, been there a few times.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on July 31, 2008, 06:07:34 pm
Thanks!  They did supply the Indian logo in pdf format.  Other then that, the whole thing was created from scratch in about 2 hours. :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: YoGaBaR on July 31, 2008, 11:18:23 pm
WOW! That is gonna be one awesome juke. Any plans on sharing the cad files for the build??? ;D
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: melarky on August 01, 2008, 12:00:08 pm
Thanks!  They did supply the Indian logo in pdf format.  Other then that, the whole thing was created from scratch in about 2 hours. :cheers:

Looks like you may be a vectric customer?  Do you use Vcarve for your signs?  I love their software, it's rare that I use anything else with my CNC now (makes it so quick).  I only end up using other cad/cam program now if I need some super precise stuff, but for most things vcarve does the trick.  Been wanting to try their cut3D program, but haven't had any real practical reason to buy it yet.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on August 01, 2008, 03:19:16 pm
Thanks!  They did supply the Indian logo in pdf format.  Other then that, the whole thing was created from scratch in about 2 hours. :cheers:

Looks like you may be a vectric customer?  Do you use Vcarve for your signs?  I love their software, it's rare that I use anything else with my CNC now (makes it so quick).  I only end up using other cad/cam program now if I need some super precise stuff, but for most things vcarve does the trick.  Been wanting to try their cut3D program, but haven't had any real practical reason to buy it yet.
Yeah, I have the vectric package.  I've yet to use the cut3d myself, but I think the photocarve is awesome.  Are you anywhere near Ohio?  There is a big shopbot camp in September and one of the two creators of Vectric will be there along with almost anyone related to cnc.  Of course it is a Shopbot event, but there will be plenty of reps there from supply companies and just good advice in general. :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: melarky on August 01, 2008, 03:54:55 pm
Thanks!  They did supply the Indian logo in pdf format.  Other then that, the whole thing was created from scratch in about 2 hours. :cheers:

Looks like you may be a vectric customer?  Do you use Vcarve for your signs?  I love their software, it's rare that I use anything else with my CNC now (makes it so quick).  I only end up using other cad/cam program now if I need some super precise stuff, but for most things vcarve does the trick.  Been wanting to try their cut3D program, but haven't had any real practical reason to buy it yet.
Yeah, I have the vectric package.  I've yet to use the cut3d myself, but I think the photocarve is awesome.  Are you anywhere near Ohio?  There is a big shopbot camp in September and one of the two creators of Vectric will be there along with almost anyone related to cnc.  Of course it is a Shopbot event, but there will be plenty of reps there from supply companies and just good advice in general. :cheers:

Sounds like a lot of fun, but I'm in Utah, a little too far away to justify the expense and time off to go to it.  I'm really impressed with the vcarve software, I have used it to make many 2D cuts (not using their Cut2d or whatever their specific 2d software is, but just plain old vcarve).  I have cut a few arcades out using their software, the latest being those little namco arcade cabinets (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=68524.0) I was going to make kits for (I still will, just need to find the time to finish up the tool paths).

Photo vcarve is a blast, I've really enjoyed making lithopanes with that.  I'm fairly active over at the vectric forums and have posted some of my lithopanes there, but maybe I'll post one here too.  I cut mine out of little dollar store cutting boards (they come in about the perfect thickness, around 1/8", so I don't have to machine them down any to start, and I can cut them out after if I want to mount them in a light box or something).

This is one of the first lithopanes I carved, this is with no light source behind it.
(http://melarky.com/images/lithopane1.jpg)

Here is the same lithopane with a light source behind it, the picture doesn't do it justince, it's so much better in person, really neat.
(http://melarky.com/images/lithopane2.jpg)

Here is the source image, it's me and my wife when we visited Quebec one year, it was -40 degrees, hence the hats, lots of fun.
(http://melarky.com/images/lithopane3.jpg)

I cut that out with a v-bit too, it was before I had a nice micro ball nose end mill.  They seem to machine much nicer now with that.  I would love to try it out on some nice corian, I hear that stuff machines like a dream.

Anyways, sorry to derail your thread, your sign look great, and your juke box looks amazing.  I want to do a similar project some day, I have a little touch screen computer sitting by waiting for a project like this, but chances are I'll just get lazy and buy one of those cheap small wurlitzer knock offs and stuff the machine in there :)  Keep us updated on this jukebox, by far the most impressive one I've seen.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on August 01, 2008, 11:41:02 pm
Hey, that photo is really cool!  I finally learned that the skinnier the better for those.  I just read your mini ms pac thread and it kills me.  I know I could make a ton of money with the machine, but I just can't.  With starting my teaching career, I had to let my pool business go and I understand that financial sacrifices must be made to be successful.  That doesn't mean a boy can't dream though! :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Donkey_Kong on August 03, 2008, 12:56:33 am
The sign looks great mccoy! Question for you on the big piece...how long did it take the machine to chew out that texture and lettering? How about the outer shape...I suppose that parts probably fairly quick?
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on August 03, 2008, 12:09:43 pm
Hey there!  The texturing took about 3-4 hours and the lettering took about 2 hours. :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Kaytrim on August 07, 2008, 05:53:56 pm
I am starting to plan the same style of juke.  Would you care to share the cut plans?  I will be using hardwood and making some changes to the profile.

Thanks,
Kaytrim
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: shardian on September 05, 2008, 08:55:15 am
Have you been able to get back on this? I am very excited to see the finished project
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: DaOld Man on September 05, 2008, 11:23:52 am
I concur.
I have been lurking in the shadows watching this project. it would be neat to have some updates.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on September 07, 2008, 11:30:44 am
Well, between football and teaching, my life has been nuts.  I stare at it everyday from my desk.  I did get all of the pieces that I needed cut, so now I just need like six to eight hours of sit down time to make it all fit and play nice.  The problem is that I have so many other things right now.  It's coming, believe you me, it's coming. :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: shardian on October 06, 2008, 02:00:12 pm
Monthly bump.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on October 06, 2008, 07:44:44 pm
Thanks. :cheers:  As I sit here at my desk staring at the jukebox, it truly is a representation of my life as I can do nothing but stare at it.  How soon is Christmas break again????????????????
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mountain on October 06, 2008, 07:51:44 pm
Don't make me come down there!   ;)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Neverending Project on October 07, 2008, 10:18:21 am
Monthly bump.

Maybe you should have that checked?
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: shardian on October 08, 2008, 10:43:00 am
If I were you, I'd be putting my breaks and lunches to good use! I have to do all my home and arcade projects in 15 minute bursts spread over a month or 2.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: javeryh on October 08, 2008, 10:57:22 am
If I were you, I'd be putting my breaks and lunches to good use! I have to do all my home and arcade projects in 15 minute bursts spread over a month or 2.

Haha me too.  Can you believe the wife and kids actually want to spend time with me?  Sheesh.   ;)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Santoro on October 17, 2008, 10:56:53 pm
Dang McCoy.. just found this thread.  This thing is going to rock in every sense of the word. 


Hurry up dude.  :)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on November 01, 2008, 11:57:49 pm
Okay, some motivational things happened tonight.  The wife wanted to go shopping for maternity clothes tonight, so I left her in the store while I went to Spencer's.  While there, I came across this light.  I thought that the rest of the community would dig this as a cheap option for jukebox builders.  I think it was around $25.  Also, I picked up the last pieces I needed for the computer that is going to go into it. :cheers:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCkjldYh3Po&feature=channel[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE_QPjd-NVk&feature=channel[/youtube]
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: polaris on November 02, 2008, 07:16:08 am
i was looking at one of those online last night, was wondering how it would look, cheers for posting the vid.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Kaytrim on November 03, 2008, 10:31:43 am
Yea progress.  :applaud: I am still looking forward to seeing for finished product as mine will be similar in design.  That LED light is like what I am planing to use with the LED-Wiz I have.

TTFN
Kaytrim
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: Barry Barcrest on November 06, 2008, 10:16:09 pm
That kaliderscope light is pretty awsome especially at that price i like it.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on December 24, 2008, 10:44:05 pm
I think it's about that time.  ;)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mountain on December 24, 2008, 10:53:10 pm
Agreed...the kids have to be asleep by now!  ;D
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on December 26, 2008, 07:38:08 pm
I'm at my inlaws right now, so I will post pics later when I get back to the school.  Quick update:

1.  Designed and cut out 3d object for the top center of the jukebox.

2.  Created air ports for woofers in speaker boxes.

3.  Finished drilling holes for speaker wires.

By the end of the night, I hope to have the speaker box completely done outside of painting and to have the 3d center piece sanded and ready for painting.  It is made of both mdf and corian.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on December 26, 2008, 09:42:46 pm
Here are some pics of the center piece in production.  It is made out of 1.5" mdf, .75" corian, and .5" corian.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114964;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114966;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114968;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114970;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114972;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114974;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Bubble tube construction explained.
Post by: mccoy178 on December 27, 2008, 03:10:11 am
Boy, do I miss nights like this.  Nothing better than focusing on a project like this with no other care in the world for a few hours.  Just to have my brain back for a few hours was so nice.  Anyways.................

I finished the speaker box today and it was a major undertaking.  Mountain came out to the shop last week and convinced me to put padding in the box and to port it.  He emphasized getting everything just right, but honestly, I calculated the area of the box properly, but the rest is a toss up.  It has to sound better than it would have the original way, so I'll deal with it.  I made the port with a section of 2" pvc and a shower drain.  I was walking around Home Depot and it dawned on me that I could use one of those to countersink it and look nice.  So, without further ado, here are some self explaining pics of that process and a couple shots of the box itself at different intervals.  It is setting up for rest of the night.  Tomorrow, I hope to get the speaker wiring all fixed up and the box primed. :cheers:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114982;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114978;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114980;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114984;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114986;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114988;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114990;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=114992;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: leapinlew on December 27, 2008, 01:02:30 pm
Looking good.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on December 27, 2008, 06:09:27 pm
Okay, okay, I concede, making the boxes accurate made a tremendous difference in sound quality! :notworthy:  The bass carries like it should and the treble is not overwhelming at high volumes.  :cheers:  Thanks for the suggestions fellas, well worth the effort! :applaud:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on December 27, 2008, 11:10:46 pm
Here is todays updates:

The speaker box in its complete state.  I spent about an hour fixing the wiring from the old setup and getting it all ran accordingly:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115015;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115017;image)

Next, I put together the outsides of the jukebox.  I call them candy canes.  I had made them all back in the fall, but I did not have them all sanded and rounded over, so I spent a good four hours on that today.  I used short pieces of dow rods to line them up, glued them up, then I clamped them all together.  Tonight I am going to work on the redesign of the front grill, as I have a different idea for the speaker grill.  I am doubting my ability to cut the aluminum properly, so I think I am going to use corian.  More to come on that later. :cheers:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115019;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115021;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115023;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115025;image)

Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: Donkey_Kong on December 28, 2008, 09:29:56 pm
Well the new speaker arraignment isn't as pretty as the old one, but I guess you have to do what sounds the best. I don't understand why the subs need to face to the rear of the juke? Then again I know very little about the sound dynamics, but I would like to learn a little from this project.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on December 28, 2008, 10:14:22 pm
They don't have to point towards the back, I did that to create the space needed for the boxes.  With the speaker grill I have planned, you won't be able to see any of that area anyways.  I wondered the same thing at first, but sound quality prevailed. :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on December 29, 2008, 01:01:05 am
I was able to complete the front of the jukebox tonight.  I redesigned the speaker grill area to the new speakers with the cnc software.  I also remade the secondary monitor faceplate and the primary monitor base plate out of corian.  They took forever to get the measurements exactly right.  It was worth the effort.  I had about 4 hours invested in that tonight total.  I also sanded the base down.  Sanding is one thing I'll never miss. :cry:  The pictures below show the backside with the countersinking, the front where the speaker area snugly fits into base.  The corian helps with putting the speaker box into its exact location.  It was over 1/8" off before it was placed.  The rest of the pics are just me goofing.  The corian is going to be painted, so don't worry, it's not going to be the color of Seafoam when it's done. :afro:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115086;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115088;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115090;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115092;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115094;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115096;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115098;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115100;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: Gatsu on December 29, 2008, 01:23:10 am
man thats looking pretty. I can't wait to see the final product.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on January 01, 2009, 11:48:51 pm
Finally some updates.  I have been working on it on and off for the past few days.  I am almost ready for paint to be honest.  One thing that I did that I am super excited about, is that I purchased a new receiver at Bestbuy and it made all the difference in the world in regards to the sound quality.  I thought it already sounded great, but the speakers were completely rejuvenated after this.

Here are some pics of the casters that I added.  I will need to add two candy canes on the bottom to each side to hide the casters, but I think that will help the overall appearance of the jukebox.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115286;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115288;image)

I was trying to figure out how to attach the candy canes to the cabinet and I remembered seeing some neat hardware that they use on cheap material.  I drilled holes where I wanted the bolts to go, I then drilled out the area where the nut would go, countersunk the nuts into the candy canes, and then it was done!  It really solidified the cabinet, and if the front lenses ever get broke, I can replace them now.  If I had permanently mounted them, that would have been a total bear.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115296;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115290;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115292;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115294;image)

I also redesigned and cut out the front piece because I wasn't pleased with the top openings being square and the new 3d piece having an angle.  Here is an upclose shot of what I am talking about.  I am trying to catch all these aesthetic details, it is difficult while making it.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115298;image)

This area is going to be quite the challenge.  I need to design a cap for here that will cover the bubbler system, and then tie into the upper section.  You can see that I added the curve that compliments the 3d piece to the bottom of the open area also, resulting in some difficult design work for myself.  It will probably one of those details that no one even notices, but I'll always spend twenty minutes explaining it as they roll their eyes. ::)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115300;image)

Finally, I have designed the holders for the led lights that will go in the side areas.  It will make more sense once I get the pictures posted. :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: Franco B on January 02, 2009, 05:50:46 am
Looking great bud! I can appreciate the work that's going into it. Cant wait to see the finished juke :)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on January 03, 2009, 06:56:38 pm
Update:
1.  I found a good amount of this metal grill at a metal salvage yard.  I was amazed when they rang up the 4' x 2' piece at a whopping $3.20.  What a deal!  So, I've attempted to clean it up and have put a coat of clear coat on it.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115398;image)

2.  I mounted the secondary monitor to the corain.  I used the same system from the last jukebox, the aluminum strap, but bent it at 90 degrees and predrilled my holes.  The following pictures demonstrate nicely what I'm talking about:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115400;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115402;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115404;image)

3.  I glued the shell together tonight in preparation for priming.  I am excited to get this guy painted, I just don't know if I'm going to run out of time before school starts. :'(

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115406;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: Franco B on January 03, 2009, 07:17:35 pm
Sweet deal on the grill!

I've seen your LCD mounting technique before, that's definitely the technique I will use when LCD mounting.

Don't tease us and stop work now! Make it some kinda watch and learn school project :)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on January 03, 2009, 07:48:41 pm
Well, I am taking a lot of the parts home tonight to prime and paint.  The base won't be done due to the parts covering the casters still need to be machined.  But I am going to give it a good effort.  God that corian is fugly as is. :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: Barry Barcrest on January 05, 2009, 12:22:19 am
Looking good dude, hope you get in all together soon  :cheers:
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on January 05, 2009, 08:25:47 pm
Thanks Barry!  I did some more work tonight, as I decided this weekend that I can get the project done over the next couple weeks if I keep chugging along.  I cut out the metal for the top of the jukebox.  The pictures tell the story.  Thanks for the tip from Mountain to sandwich the metal between two pieces of wood to keep the metal from bending.  I used two pieces that were the same shape as I needed to cut and it came out great I think.  I'll find out tomorrow when I can get back to the cabinet.  I also threw in a picture of some of the corian with the base coats on them.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115545;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115547;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115549;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115551;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115553;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115555;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on January 09, 2009, 01:11:23 am
Most of the cabinet is now primed.  I don't have any pictures of that at the moment, but once I get it up and running next week, I will be posting like crazy.  In the meantime, I decided to take on some of the led wiring tonight.  Here is the brackets I designed to go behind the light lenses.  I cut them on the Shopbot.  They hold five rgb's evenly apart throughout each section of pillar for a total of 20 between the two sides.  I only finished one side tonight, as I needed to adjust all of the wiring from its last home in the old jukebox.  Here are some before and after pics.  I still need to paint the final finish on the bracket, so nothing is permanent yet. :cheers:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115773;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115775;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115777;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115779;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115781;image)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on January 10, 2009, 12:03:00 am
Well, I am halfway home on the last light bar.  It is tedious work. :P  But enjoyable work.  Anyways, I'm taking a few minutes break and I will be back later with pics!
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on January 10, 2009, 02:19:12 am
I have finished the second light bar.  Here is a little pictoral of my joyous evening. :afro:

First, here is the ledwiz from the old juke with everything still attached as it.  I mounted the ledwiz to the bracket and went from there:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115860;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115862;image)

I then carefully cut off any addon wires that I had added in the past, disconnected everything and put the rgb's in their new homes:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115864;image)

I then numbered each of them and started with number one.  I measured out about an inch past the last screw terminal needed, stripped the wires, then attached them.  I left all of the +5v for last:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115868;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115866;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115870;image)

Here is the first half done:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115872;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115874;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115876;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115878;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115880;image)

Here is a couple more pics of the final product:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115882;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115884;image)

Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: shardian on February 04, 2009, 03:40:27 pm
Bump!

I was in a BW3's a few weeks ago, and they had some fancy commercial video juke that was in this style. It had columns with RGB lights, covered with milky plexi. It made a very cool effect.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Spring construction has begun!
Post by: mccoy178 on April 15, 2009, 11:32:54 pm
I HATE WHEN MY POST GETS ERASED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Anyways, I had a bunch typed, tried to upload too big of a picture, and the post was lost.  Summarized:  Computer fixed, big video card hassle.  Ledwiz's working, my errors, fixed now.  Here is one pic:

Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Spring construction has begun!
Post by: shardian on September 11, 2009, 11:09:13 am
Bump...again.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Spring construction has begun!
Post by: Jigenjuke on September 29, 2010, 07:57:05 pm
Any updates on this one?  Would love to see it finished.
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Spring construction has begun!
Post by: caesar on October 01, 2010, 06:50:23 pm
Hello,
Very Nice Build  :applaud:
Do you have some more completed pics?  ;D
Thanks!


www.cavicchiojukebox.com (http://www.cavicchiojukebox.com)
Title: Re: New Jukebox - Wurlitzer style - Xmas construction has begun!
Post by: yweiss on October 05, 2010, 09:09:34 pm
Update:
1.  I found a good amount of this metal grill at a metal salvage yard.  I was amazed when they rang up the 4' x 2' piece at a whopping $3.20.  What a deal!  So, I've attempted to clean it up and have put a coat of clear coat on it.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115398;image)

2.  I mounted the secondary monitor to the corain.  I used the same system from the last jukebox, the aluminum strap, but bent it at 90 degrees and predrilled my holes.  The following pictures demonstrate nicely what I'm talking about:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115400;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115402;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115404;image)

3.  I glued the shell together tonight in preparation for priming.  I am excited to get this guy painted, I just don't know if I'm going to run out of time before school starts. :'(

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=115406;image)


Great build! where did you got thsoe aluminum strips? I want to mount my monitor also and it look a good way to do it