Build Your Own Arcade Controls Forum
Main => Buy/Sell/Trade - non-retail => Topic started by: usedelectronics on January 24, 2005, 12:15:01 am
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I made myself some one player sticks of various styles to "play-test" various sticks, and button layouts.
They are the smaller joystick boards in this picture):
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/All-control-panels.jpg)
I can do these same layouts, or any other "standard" layout. I can also provide Lexan tops, routered T-moulding grooves, And pre countersunk joystick cutouts.
All parts are cut on a High-End CNC router, and are VERY precise.
What would all consider a "reasonable" price for these?
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I'd actually have an interest in one, if it could be custom made with little effort.
Something like the 7-button design featured on the bottom row, but with an additional joystick hole for games like Robotron and Krull.
I like it because it looks portable.
A lexan top would also be nice, but not applied yet, as I'd like to ad some custom art. Definitely the t-mold slot has to be there.
BTW ... What would a good price be for one of those?
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Yes, I can make any layout that's somewhat common.
I really don't know what to charge as for price.. I'll try to put one together.
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I would snatch one up immediately. Unfortunately I don't have the tools and my shop teacher won't give me access to the shop for "personal" projects so something like this is my only hope.
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These would be sold in "kit" form of course to cut down on shipping. :)
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not to stop this, but you've got to think about the shipping. it might be thin if you just ship a board without controls, but mdf is going to weigh alot. but they look good, i'd be interested if you lived close enough to justify it, but probability dictates that your not.
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Actually, depending on shipping cost, it might be wise to include some controls, just to make the whole thing a better "value".
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I'd be interested in this as well, PM me when you have a price and I'll let you know what type of layout I would like. I would also need to have t-molding slots at the least and would prefer a clear lexan top.
Thanks,
--Dweebs
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How much would you charge for a street fighter styled panel?
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Put one together tonight.
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/Bottom.jpg)
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/Top.jpg)
Nice part about the CNC cut panels... No screws required!
I used Titebond glue and clamps, and believe me.. There's no breaking that thing apart! I even jumped up and down on the sides!
I looked around at other pre-made/kit joysticks, and the prices varied quite a bit..
Gamecab.com wants $30-$35 for a blank, undrilled, unassembled wood panel.
slikstick.com wants $125 for a black melamine, assembled(with no buttons/sticks), with t-molding.
I think the easiest thing for me would to offer these panels, unassembled, and predrilled to some standard layouts. (I could offer T-molding slot on the top panel for a small extra charge.)
If I made these panels "slightly smaller" they would fit flat inside a USPS flat rate box, and only cost 7-10 bucks to ship within the Continental US.
My initial guess on pricing is about $40 for a predrilled top, and the sides for the base. +7-10$ shipping.
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USPS prepaid has a box with an interior of 13.625" x 11.875" x 3.375"
What about making a longer full CP that comes in 2 pieces. Since it's CNC'd, it should fit together perfectly and you could do a 27.25x11.875 or a 23.75x13.625 CP
$40 is still more than I'd personally pay, but it's just a thought for those (like me) who might like a replacement CP (or 2)
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Is $40 for the Single Player or Double player box? $40 seems a bit high for a single player box but reasonable for a 2 player one. Red Octane used to sell single player boxes pre-drilled with vinyl and a drilled plexi cover for $25 but they don't sell them any more. But they could afford to mass produce them.
Any chance you could do some single player boxes based on these blue prints?
http://www.byrdo.org/small_sanwa_blueprint.htm
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usedelectronics ....
would you still consider doing the lexan overlay? also, the last example is great. any chance of getting a second joystick added to the right side of something like that setup?
thanks in advance
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Is $40 for the Single Player or Double player box?
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usedelectronics ....
would you still consider doing the lexan overlay? also, the last example is great. any chance of getting a second joystick added to the right side of something like that setup?
thanks in advance
Yes, I could add a additional joystick hole. On the lexan, I will have to find out the cost of the materials. I can cut the panel without trouble, but there will be an extra charge to cover the materials/labor.
I will have to find out exactly what my material costs on these will be, and get a more solid idea of what I'd need to sell them for to make this worthwile.
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PM sent :)
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Any more info?
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Update:
The smaller control panels and panels to make a base (open bottom) are available for 20$ plus shipping.
The 2 player control panel (The one without the routered dust washer and trackball recess) is available without a base for $20 plus shipping.
I believe that the smaller panel kits will cost around $15 to ship. I don't know what the large panel will cost.
These were prototypes, and are all available immediatly.
custom versions of these panels will be available by request, with a $5 charge for custom button layouts. (Small panels only.)
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Sent you a email and a PM last week.
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Hey so would that be $25 for a box using the blue prints I mentioned earlier? Would that also include T-molding slots cut or how much extra would that cost? Also could it include routing out around the joystick and buttons for mounting them?
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Completely custom designs would be more expensive, as new router programming would be required.
What I mean by custom button layouts is any thing other than the typical button layouts: Street fighter, Neo-Geo, Mortal Kombat, etc.
I would be willing to include single side routing (I.E. Dustwashers and trackball flush mounting, OR Recessed joystick mounting. Not both. Both requires a great deal of extra work, and configuration of the machine.)
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By recessed joystick mounting you mean routing out on the underside of the CP so the joystick is the correct height right?
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i would spiffy but it would be 45 anyway you like take a look
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Spiffy:
Yes, I would be willing to make those style panels. (I'll have to draw one up and make sure the router can do the required cuts.)
I would especially be motivated to do a "group" purchase, as it's easier to run these in large quantities (A whole 4X8 sheet at a time.)
Routering the joystick mounts and buttons isn't a problem.
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Ok, I'll post over on the Shoryuken.com (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2140498&posted=1#post2140498) forums and see if I can get a bunch of people to go in for a "group" order.
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Sorry for posting on your thread about my cp -usedelectronics , i thought you just had those for sale and and werent making anymore i didnt read all the postes before i posted so excuse my posts -tommy mad poster ;D
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No problem. ;)
All PM's have been returned. :)
I'll be posting pictures of the oak Ms.Pac cocktail kits I made last weekend tonight.
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Here's the best I could get on the Byrdo Plans.
There is a couple "problems" with them.
1. Unless I am just totally screwing this up somehow, there is a 1/4"+ gap between the rear of the upper panel and the back of the controller. (I could easily correct for this)
2. This panel has 3 parts that need angled cuts to make it assemble properly.
The top panel, the rear panel, and the front panel. These items would increase the price slightly per unit, because the angle cuts need to be manually done, instead of by the router.
Here's a picture:
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/byrdo%20stick%20assy.jpg)
Here's the reason the angle cuts are required: (Top Rear Corner)
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/angle%20cut%20section.jpg)
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I'd be in for 2 of Byrdo inspired designs too.
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Anyone interested in a Oak Ms-pac kit?
I don't think I even want to deal with shipping one of these though...
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/MsPacKit.jpg)
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Put it together, you'll probably get a great response!
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Here's my "massaged" version of the byrdo stick:
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/stickassy.jpg)
This way it only needs 2 angle cuts, and the edges have been radiused for T-molding.
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I want to see that thing together, that looks pretty killer. And by the way, can I just get the top of the control panel? I plan on building the rest, how much will it cost just for the top?
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Ok, the group order looks like it is up to 23 boxes so far.
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You know what go ahead and can the T-Molding slots idea. You'd have to do those by hand I don't think your CNC machine would do them and that is an awful lot of work for a "group order". Better to keep the work as minimal as possible.
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Oh I see I guess tilting it like that would elliminate one of the angled cuts. How much extra would it cost to get that extra angle cut? I kind of like it butter with the back straigh up and down but if it would cost to much extra then angleing it like that would be ok.
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The rear panel isn't tilted. I just made a 3/4" Straight section at the very back. That way the top of the rear panel doesn't need to be angle cut.
The notches on the buttons mmay be possible, but they cant have straight inside corners. The minimum radius is 1/4"
So it would have to be a 1/4" wide slot with a rounded end.
If you could send me, or post a image of the dimensioned joystick/button layout, I could add it to the model.
(I had a mistake on my top panel, as I feared.. It doesnt have the gap anymore.... ::))
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So is this your CNC router, or one you have access to at work?
I've been collecting parts to make my own, & was just curious.
- tmasman
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BYOCNC? Thatd be intense.
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BYOCNC? Thatd be intense.
cncZone.com (http://www.cnczone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=48)
It is...
But it's another thing I really don't have time for, but REALLY want to get into.
I've been collecting the parts to build a small one (12" X 12") to see if I can feasibly build one myself with the tools I have.
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BYOCNC?
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BYOCNC? Thatd be intense.
cncZone.com (http://www.cnczone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=48)
Whoa.....
WOW! Thats definitely too "smart" for me.
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One of the prototypes is on ebay.. Starting at $9.99!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6156561310
I will have a final price on the byrdo sticks by mid-week. I am waiting to hear back from my plexi/lexan supplier. :)
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If you could send me, or post a image of the dimensioned joystick/button layout, I could add it to the model.
I don't really have specific dimensions foy the joystick and button layout. I usually just eyeball them. The buttons should be arched similar to the ones on a Sega Versus City Cab. The indention for the joystick should be around 3-1/4" x 3-1/4" and the indention for the 6 main buttons is roughly around 4-1/4" x 5". And if your using 3/4" wood then they would need to be 1/2" deep. I can e-mail byrdo and see if he has any dimensioned joystick/button layouts.
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One of the prototypes is on ebay.. Starting at $9.99!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6156561310
ah crap. i wanted that. :P
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I would consider one because its easier for you than me, but I live in Canada and Im afraid of shipping.
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The first Byrdo inspired prototypes will be made tomorrow, as well as a couple other goodies..
I will also be cutting out a "suprise" for the person that bought the first prototype...hehe.
Pictures to come!
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Hey! Thats me. I bought the first prototype. I wanna know what the surprise is!?!
-Dweebs
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Surprise: To encounter suddenly or unexpectedly; take or catch unawares.
I think that means youre not supposed to know :) Watch your shipping charges go up like $20 :) Now that would be funny
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sent pm.
how much is that oak pac kit and are the top and the cp sides cutout - not in the pic?
thanks!
chris
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Yes, the bottom panel, Top panel, and control panel sides are included in the kit, just didn't make it into the picture.
Pricing hasn't been set on the MsPac cocktails quite yet, but it will be soon!
And now for the unveiling!!!!
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/ByrdoTop.jpg)
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/ByrdoBottom.jpg)
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/ByrdoBack.jpg)
Here it is! THe Byrdo (Red Octane) inspired stick.
Note: The button configuration is for this prototype.. The groupbuy version is yet to be decided.
(I think Dweebsor knows why the buttons look like they do though... ;))
And this proto is also finished:
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/Dweebs0r.jpg)
Everything turned out great, and the incredible accuracy of the router stil doesn't fail to impress me!
It even does text:
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/ARLogo.jpg)
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SWEET!
I cannot wait to get my hands on these controllers.
Ordering some more buttons and joysticks now.
-Dweebs
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Wow that came out nice. In fact I may even pik some up myself just to save me the time of doing the wood cuts. I never thought my design would be professionally reproduced with a CNC machine, after seeing the final result it makes me wish I had access to one. Great job
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I really love that design. If I requested altered dimensions (heightwise) would it be at all possible to modify them for me? I'll pay the extra money if needed...
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I bought both of the prototype sticks and have been amazed at how willingly he modified the original design to suit what I needed. I cant understate what a
great deal I got on these joysticks. When I get them here, I'll paint them, wire them up and post pics.
-Dweebs
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Wow, looks like it turned out great. It even did an amazing job on the plexi!! I can't wait till the final versions are finished.
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Nice!
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Again, me not thinking, I forgot to include a couple more questions. Are the Byrdo design panels available with the 2 player (with trackball) layouts? Also, is the top of the panel hinge-able? I'd like access to the innards if at all possible. Also the custom height thing. Thanks for all the help!
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Hi, Shoryuken.com wouldnt allow me to register so I just wanted to say that I would like to be part of the group buy that they are doing. If everything turns out good, put me down for 2 of them.
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Here's one of the prototype units assembled.
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/Finished-Top-View.jpg)
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/Finished-Bottom-View.jpg)
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/Finished-Side-View.jpg)
Notice no gaps! :o
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Usedelectronics,
That looks awesome. I have a couple questions that other might be wondering as well though. Does the bottom have screws to remove it or is the top hinged?
Also, is the underside routed for joystick? And, what type of joystick is that you have in there, and where might I be able to purchase one?
Thanks,
-Dweebs
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As far as I know the boxes don't come pre-assembled so if you wanted a hinge you could just go down to home depot to put one on there when your putting the box together. Same thing for the screws on the bottom. The joystick looks like it is either a Wico 8-Way or a Happ P360 with a Wico Ball Top.
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The prototype units (Like the one pictured, and the one your getting Dweebs0r)
Are not routed for the joystick, because they're set up for Happs parts.
The general idea of the box is that the top, front, rear, and sides are all glued together. The bottom can be drilled and screwed on for access.
As for the joystick pictured in my example, it is a Wico 8 way microleaf. (Good eye Spiffy.)
They are available on ebay from time to time.
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I am nearly ready to kick off the actual group buy, as the materials, and Cad files are all ready to go.
There is a SLIM possibility that I can get the wooden tops replaced with laser cut steel panels instead. This would alleviate the need to rig the pop-in sanwa buttons being rigged into a incorrect panel thickness, and preserve the joystick height.
If this were possible, it would add $5 to 10 dollars to the price of the joystick. Would you be more interested, or prefer the routered wood panel?
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Wow, that would be great. Who is arranging the group buy so I can contact him on further detail? Id really like to be part of this.
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Wow, that would be great.
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Just wanted to say that I got my prototype byrdo and the other controller today and I am very pleased with the results.
Do not hesitate to get this byrdo style controller!
It is very compact and perfect for a single player type controller.
My goal is to use the byrdo as a PS2 fighting game controller (Tekken 5) and the other stick as a Mame joy.
I'm waiting on a delivery of controls from ponyboy and a hacked ps2 controller from snaake.
When I have everything, I'll glue it all together, wire it up, and post pics of the results.
-Dweebs
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Bad news on the laser cut metal.
I can't find a shop that can hold the accuracy required for a reasonable price.
So without adding 12-15$ a panel for the metal tops, it isn't going to happen.
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Thats cool.
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O.k. We'll stick with the routered wood tops then.
Yes, I would have no problem offering the happs drilling.
Did you have any luck getting the button/joystick layout finalized?
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Ok, glued my joysticks together today.
I added the few parts I had just for laughs. I am waiting on a few parts shipments as I had previously posetd to finidh everything. I'm going to pick up some black paint today and hopefully have Kinkos print me up an image for below the plexi tommorow. I am extremely happy with the purchase. Dont hesitate to buy one of the Byrdo joys! They are quite compact and solid as a rock.
Here are a few images from my crappy camera:
(http://img45.exs.cx/img45/7274/ebay0394xt.jpg)
(http://img45.exs.cx/img45/4993/ebay0409lu.jpg)
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Looks good Dweebs.
One suggestion, although it may be too late..
The top panel was designed so when installed, the plexi top should sit almost flush with the side panels. In your pictures the rear of the top panel is sitting pretty low.
In other news:
The materials are all at the shop now, And once the sanwa buttons (I ordered a set or two just for the "trial" assembly process) arrive, the design will either be put into production, or modified where required.
I will post a link here when all is ready for the group buy.
Pricing news:
The group buy pricing will be as follows:
Standard design (Set up for Happ start/select buttons, routered for a sanwa joystick and the 6 sanwa buttons) $30
Happ Design (Set up for all Happ Buttons in the same 6 button design as above, with a Happ joystick recess and hole) $30
PS2 or 8 button layout (As pictured in Dweebs0rs example pics) $30
All kits include the sides, Front and Back Panels, a 1/4" thick bottom panel, the preroutered and drilled top panel, and a matching pre-routered and drilled cast acrylic panel.
Shipping: Shipping for one or two joystick kits is the same. Will ship via USPS priority mail with delivery confirmation, for $8.50
There is a possibility that we will be offering a discount on multiple kit purchases. That will be decided by the time the kits are released.
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Standard design (Set up for Happ start/select buttons, routered for a sanwa joystick and the 6 sanwa buttons) $30
I think most people making a Sanwa stick are going to use all Sanwa buttons including start/select buttons. I know I don't wanna pay like $5-6 shipping from Happs for just 2 buttons.
I also think you should offer these options for the Byrdo boxes:
6 and 8 buttons layouts
straight, american button layout and curved japanese layout
regular height for Sanwa parts, and increased height for Happ parts
An a different note, where would I buy the titebond glue and clamps for assembly of the box.
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Are you no longer offering 2 player panels?
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Those additional layout styles shouldn't be a problem.
The clamps and titebond are available at any home improvement center typically.
As for the 2 player panels, I'd be happy to offer them still. However shipping will be pretty expensive!
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usedelectronics you have a PM
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Did you have any luck getting the button/joystick layout finalized?
Not sure if this is what you needed, but this is was taken from Catch-22's site before it went down (Astro/Versus City style layout). Compliments of Toodles from the SRK forums.
http://s87314581.onlinehome.us/6-button.jpg
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Did you have any
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New pricing info:
1 kit in any standard button configuration: $29.99 + $8.50 shipping.
Add a second kit of any standard layout for just $24.99 more.(no additional shipping)
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What about 2 player panels? Have you thought of price/shipping on those?
usedelectronics, I'll post pics of my joystick today, I got a box of stuff from ponyboy yesterday.
Thanks,
-Dweebs
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What about 2 player panels? Have you thought of price/shipping on those?
Thanks,
-Dweebs
An off the top guess would be:
$40 for a basic pre-cut 2 player panel. (34"X16"X3/4") With Happ joystick/pushbutton holes, and a happ trackball cutout.
Add $25 for a matching 1/8" Cast acrylic cover.
Add roughly $20-$25 for UPS shipping and packaging.
NOTE: This pricing is not for "custom" layouts. This is for the standard layout listed in the first post on this thread.
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Might "contact" you in the future for a new CP for my machine.. if you dont mind something a "little" custom.. :P
basic 6 button layout, no trackball, just something nicer than the POS im using..
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On looking at the Japanese layout a little more closely, it seems the joystick maybe a little close to the buttons.
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OK, got my first joystick together today and wired with an ipac.
I put the Byrdo stick on Ebay because I wanted a bigger controller with more room.
I'm still waiting on Snaake to send me the hacked ps2 pad (cmon Snaake, I'm dying here!!) so I can attach this to my son's PS2 but I wanted to go ahead and get the wiring harness put together.
Thing left to do: wire tie the wiring harness, sand and repaint controller (a few little runs), mount the IPAC2, hook up the PS2 pad when available.
I am considering leaving this one as a Mame controller and adding a Vortex spinner with the chrome Mame spinner to it. What do you guys think?
I've been playing Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom games all morning!
Here's the shots, again excuse my pitiful little camera:
(http://img44.exs.cx/img44/3577/img00070hx.jpg)
(http://img44.exs.cx/img44/3408/img00092we.jpg)
(http://img44.exs.cx/img44/7427/img00129ff.jpg)
Thanks again used electronics!! I will definitely be ordering a 2 player version in the future. You just cant beat usedelectronics prices on these, you could hardly purchase the wood for what he is selling them for. I am by no means a woodworker or craftsman and these went together easy as pie with a little wood glue. I painted it with a black satin spray paint ($3.00). I think it turned out nice.
Please ignore the ipac hanging out off the back!! I was excited to try it out.
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The button layout DarkChylde posted is the layout i would like to be see be used.
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I requested an 8 button layout because I intend to connect this to a PS2 for some Tekken 5 and Virtua Fighter action. Thats the beauty of the cnc router, he can pretty much do whatever you'd like with it, within reason.
-Dweebs
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with permission from mr usedelectronics... i got a few hacked ps1 pcb's that i want to offer to anyone that may need them. PM for shipping and pricing.
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I will be out of town until monday the 14th. So if you don't get a reply, you know why!
We should be doing the first production run on these boxes the following weekend!
:)
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I'm Back.
I see from the post by spiffy that he has a few concept button layouts worked up.
Once you guys decide on the final layout(s) I can finalize the plan and cut these on sunday.
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Any further information on these so far?
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If you make a 6 button capcom street fighter layout, and it fits sanwas, I know ALOT of people that will buy them.
including me.
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Hello again everyone,
My business partner has finished transferring our site over to the new software, as well as getting the new forum software, and storefront up and functional.
The designs for the panels are finalized (waiting on the dimensions from spiffyshoes). We have everything else waiting, ready to begin production.
For those of you that were registered on our old forums, your information has been transferred to the new software. However, you will have to request a new password due to the transition.
Please do not order anything from the store yet, as it is not active. You will all be notified when the parts are available.
Thanks again for all your interest!
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Here's the final version of the "sanwa/Byrdo" layout.
What do you guys think?
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/backempty.jpg)
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/topempty.jpg)
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/topfull.jpg)
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And now with the requested changes made:
(http://arcadereview.com/images/router/8.jpg)
(http://arcadereview.com/images/router/6.jpg)
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I would be interested in buying one of these.
But I have a question:
How would you mount the sanwa joystick into the wood?
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It looks like he simply made the wood for the sanwa box (where the buttons and sticks are) thin enough for Sanwa stuff. It doesn't HAVE to be mounted on metal I didn't think, it's just that the common wood CP's are much to "thick" for a sanwa. I've heard of people just mounting Sanwa stuff right on a sheet of lexan instead of using wood on the top (I don't know about that though, seems kinda flimsy).
Looks like he just routed out the wood around it without making it flimsy, good stuff.
With you permission, used electronics, I know a site that would kill for these boxes, as they are almost the No.1 item in making a custom stick that alot of people can't make (live in apartments, don't have the tools). I don't know if you have posted on there or not, but on the Hardware section on the www.shoryuken.com boards, 90% of the topics are about custom stick making/buying. There is also a thread with well over 1000 posts called the "Custom Stick" thread(It's a fighting game website with focus on the 2-D fighters, and almost all agree that a stick is the only way to practice at home for tournys in the arcade, so almost everyone wants to/uses one). However, no one sells premade boxes, as most are just hobbists that make a full featured stick, but most people would rather make their own, the only hitch being that they don't have the tools/wood/skills/area to make them.
So go post on there! Or I can let them know about it, and guide them here, it's up to you really. I know they would really be excited.
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Whats up Parry.
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Ah! My fault! Sorry bout that.
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Any word on the Happ boxes? I'd like one with the same layout as the ones you're doing now, but designed to fit Happ Competition buttons and stick. Also I don't need a hole for the select button :)
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Here's the FINAL version, fully assembled.
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/Byrdo%20Assembly/Top-Complete.jpg)
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Just a friendly bump, and to let you guys know the store's officially open!
http://www.arcadereview.com/catalog/index.php
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Good deal!
(bookmarked until I except the fact my homemade box will suck and order from you.)
EDIT: Well, when the Happ boxes get on there, anyway!
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Those Happs boxes are what I am after as well......
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They're in the production process currently! :)
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Awesome!
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FYI.
There are some prototype sanwa tops, and 10button Happs tops available on the site now.
http://www.arcadereview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44
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Bumpity Bump Bump. Just keeping you on your toes. Would love to throw a couple Happs parts into that Byrdo inspired Control box.... if it becomes available.
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Bringing this back from the dead with a few updates...
I am trying to clear out some remaining inventory fron the last production run of these kits.
I have the full housing with the exception of the precut lexan top.
These ship in the flat rate USPS boxes {2 kits fit in one box}
So any one interested?
20 shipped for one kit 35 for two?
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I made myself some one player sticks of various styles to "play-test" various sticks, and button layouts.
They are the smaller joystick boards in this picture):
(http://www.arcadereview.com/images/All-control-panels.jpg)
I also have 4 of the small panel kits left.
These include the precut predrilled top, and a base without a bottom cover.
{the trackball panel, one 6 hole straight panel, and 2 curved hole panel are available, as well as one 6 hole straight panel assembled.}
Best offers.. Or trade for other parts.