You're grow ass adults, start acting like it.
I thought my comments were tactful. I try my best to be.
But apparently not since I'm one of "the couple" that needs a 1-month ban or something. Chance's words. I would have appreciated being pm'd or responded to within this forum, rather than cowardly rediculed on Instagram.
Ratted me out to Saint huh? Nice job Chance. You're a real contributing member. Welcome to my blacklist. Contribute to that, ---uvula---.
And if Chance is on the UCA committee, consider me resigned from it.
I'd rather have no part of it if the committee is made up of people who want to stifle freedom of expression and feedback. (Also Chance, regard that KLOV group-buy...count me out too. I'd rather not deal with you entirely)
In fact if BYOAC is going in the Chance direction, my time here is going to come to an end.
"The spirit" of BYOAC, whatever it is, is looking grim if we can't give feedback without the sensitive members crying to the mods all the time.
Look at slogan under the Avatar, says is all, even have your name in it.I love Rodney. I wish you lived here in Arizona, bro. I'd buy you lunch right now.
If you don't try, you have no chance at innovation.
My props to Saint for handling this well and keeping the communications open. No matter what, I love BYOAC for the culture Saint presses of treating each other like adults and keeping order through communication. You are very appreciated. :cheers:Well said, Vigo. Pretty much how I feel.
I honestly am going to be doing a bit of soul searching on this topic. I totally get how I am part of a camp that sounds like we are criticizing every build. Every thread that comes up with angled joysticks, too many buttons, 4 foot wide control panels, mismatched screen ratios and sizes, etc, we are challenging their decisions because those are items that we see as overkill / feature creep / design flaws. Our experience and prior mistakes told us these are pitfalls and for a project that can cost thousands, we are genuinely trying to save others from traveling down a bad path.
It seems to be a common to find these kind of issues in recent build threads. Maybe the next generation of this hobby seems to value these things I consider as mistakes as great features. That you new guys want monoliths that cover every control and play every modern game, and that's what makes a great machine.
Right now, maybe I am thinking they are right. Maybe I am obsolete and don't have the scope or vision to make a machine that encompasses the wants or needs of the next generation of this hobby. I just want a machine that I can play TMNT or Commando or Rampage on...and have fun. I can't help but think that those of us who keep hammering on knowing limitations, design only for what you will play and avoid feature creep are just the fading generation of the guys who grew up in the arcades and are trying to recreate an experience. Maybe the new crowd is looking for something completely different. Maybe we are like the uncool geezers criticizing the kids for their skateboards and rap music....I don't know anymore.
Really this is the only time i'm going to bother even stooping to your low level of internet trolling by addressing you directly Malenko.
Mal, your interwebs drama bores me. And i'm going to stop here before you think it, or you, actually matters one bit to me.
I am sorry I am not nearly as articulate in my retorts as other people are. Vigo hit the nail on the head and I feel the same way. Maybe 15 years on these boards is too many. If Chad can quit anybody can.
IMO... its time to start calling their play out every time they do them, and shutting them down.
Every thread that comes up with angled joysticks, too many buttons, 4 foot wide control panels, mismatched screen ratios and sizes, etc, we are challenging their decisions because those are items that we see as overkill / feature creep / design flaws. Our experience and prior mistakes told us these are pitfalls and for a project that can cost thousands, we are genuinely trying to save others from traveling down a bad path.
I honestly am going to be doing a bit of soul searching on this topic. I totally get how I am part of a camp that sounds like we are criticizing every build.
Every thread that comes up with angled joysticks, too many buttons, 4 foot wide control panels, mismatched screen ratios and sizes, etc, we are challenging their decisions because those are items that we see as overkill / feature creep / design flaws. Our experience and prior mistakes told us these are pitfalls and for a project that can cost thousands, we are genuinely trying to save others from traveling down a bad path.
It seems to be a common to find these kind of issues in recent build threads. Maybe the next generation of this hobby seems to value these things I consider as mistakes as great features. That you new guys want monoliths that cover every control and play every modern game, and that's what makes a great machine.
Right now, maybe I am thinking they are right. Maybe I am obsolete and don't have the scope or vision to make a machine that encompasses the wants or needs of the next generation of this hobby. I just want a machine that I can play TMNT or Commando or Rampage on...and have fun. I can't help but think that those of us who keep hammering on knowing limitations, design only for what you will play and avoid feature creep are just the fading generation of the guys who grew up in the arcades and are trying to recreate an experience. Maybe the new crowd is looking for something completely different. Maybe we are like the uncool geezers criticizing the kids for their skateboards and rap music....I don't know anymore.
Good luck on your build. I for one am going to limit the amount of advice I give from now on. Too many sensitive people here.Every thread that comes up with angled joysticks, too many buttons, 4 foot wide control panels, mismatched screen ratios and sizes, etc, we are challenging their decisions because those are items that we see as overkill / feature creep / design flaws. Our experience and prior mistakes told us these are pitfalls and for a project that can cost thousands, we are genuinely trying to save others from traveling down a bad path.
:applaud: Yes! Researching here has saved me (and I'm sure many others) from making these mistakes.
The experience of you crusty old timers is invaluable. Please don't stop offering up advice.
Speaking of needing input from the veterans, I finally posted some art for my cabinet. I'd appreciate any input on that over here (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,147277.msg1537436.html#msg1537436).
I think it's funny considered X2's going back and forth with Malenko was one of the REASONS for this thread....
Finally, Im not trying to pick on you personally. But I did want to clarify the arguments typically had, and bring more light to them.
Yeah... I stand by my original point. If you don't believe me, ask the OP.
Chance and I are peachy. My point was that X2s bickering was part of the reason why Chance posted that in the first place, but typically Steve doesn't want to take responsibility for it.Yeah... I stand by my original point. If you don't believe me, ask the OP.
Not sure what happened with you two, but I'd like to say that your feedback in Chance's Flynn's thread was exactly what we need here. You didn't hold back from telling him that you weren't impressed by some aspects of his build, but it didn't stop you from encouraging him and providing solid advice. :cheers:
Others seem to have a hard time looking beyond faux pas in order to offer useful advice.
I thought a wide panel worked with the NASA theme, personally. (I've also pondered the wisdom of the non-angled joysticks as on my turtle box, players 3 and 4 are VERY close to the screen and it is extremely disorienting. In that particular instance, I think the angled sticks -might- be a better idea. The ideal solution is moving my control panel back another foot, but that means I have to park outside like a peasant.)
One thing that would make me a lot less cantankerous is if you noobs would please start posting your images here at the forums instead of hot linking them from image sites.
see that link that says attachments and other options at the bottom of the Post Reply section? That's where they go. If you want to post them in the image thread then link them to your build thread that's cool too.
One thing that would make me a lot less cantankerous is if you noobs would please start posting your images here at the forums instead of hot linking them from image sites.
see that link that says attachments and other options at the bottom of the Post Reply section? That's where they go. If you want to post them in the image thread then link them to your build thread that's cool too.
Just curious - what's wrong with hot linking the images?
One thing that would make me a lot less cantankerous is if you noobs would please start posting your images here at the forums instead of hot linking them from image sites.
see that link that says attachments and other options at the bottom of the Post Reply section? That's where they go. If you want to post them in the image thread then link them to your build thread that's cool too.
Just curious - what's wrong with hot linking the images?
Because 2-3 years down the road, when you cancel your Imgur/Instagram/Flickr account, all the photos go with you, resulting in threads with gaps and no images. It's an issue.
I can't see it at work and it isn't on the site for posterity
Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it ;)Eh, I thought the opposite. I thought people were insisting on plain 2 player, 6 button setups based solely on aesthetics.
The tone has changed here lately, but then it has a lot over the years too. I think it's the most passive aggressive and sarcastic it has been in a long time though.
In my opinion, there have always been two interesting perspectives on the cabinet building hobby, those who see it as art and those who see it as science. At the moment the science side is shouting the loudest but it to-and-fros all the time. When the Arcscientists are winning, it usually means that a whole bunch of stuff that is fundamentally choice or preference gets sold as right or wrong, but it's up to the individual builder to decide how they take the sales pitch. Arcscientists win hands down on restoration project advice though :cheers:
And don't forget not everyone wants to learn by being told, they want to learn by doing and making the mistakes. No matter how much you want to tell them there's a truck coming, they are still going to try to cross the road ;D
I generally refuse to host my pictures here because I don't trust that they won't end up in another one of saint's books without attribution. At least if I've got it hosted elsewhere I feel like I haven't entirely handed over the rights to him.
I generally refuse to host my pictures here because I don't trust that they won't end up in another one of saint's books without attribution. At least if I've got it hosted elsewhere I feel like I haven't entirely handed over the rights to him.
I generally refuse to host my pictures here because I don't trust that they won't end up in another one of saint's books without attribution. At least if I've got it hosted elsewhere I feel like I haven't entirely handed over the rights to him.
Wait. That happened? ???
I'd rather you just didn't comment and force me to point out that YOU didn't need to comment in a negative mannor for no reason.
I'd rather you just didn't comment and force me to point out that YOU didn't need to comment in a negative mannor for no reason.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
:afro:
I'd rather you just didn't comment and force me to point out that YOU didn't need to comment in a negative mannor for no reason.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
:afro:
Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game. You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.
Heh.Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game. You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.
Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well?
l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.
Heh.Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game. You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.
Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well?
l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.
Oh. Well, I have more respect for posters who can roll with the punches than those who fly off the handle. Remember the great Kaneda Wars of the Fall of '13?Heh.Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game. You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.
Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well?
l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.
That's fair but I'm not talking about civil constructive criticism. I'm asking about the naughty responses that Ark mentioned. It seems to me that if feedback is given in a sarcastic manner one can expect the reaction to be the same.
Oh. Well, I have more respect for posters who can roll with the punches than those who fly off the handle. Remember the great Kaneda Wars of the Fall of '13?Heh.Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game. You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.
Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well?
l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.
That's fair but I'm not talking about civil constructive criticism. I'm asking about the naughty responses that Ark mentioned. It seems to me that if feedback is given in a sarcastic manner one can expect the reaction to be the same.
Agreed.Oh. Well, I have more respect for posters who can roll with the punches than those who fly off the handle. Remember the great Kaneda Wars of the Fall of '13?Heh.Being downright naughty about it (which I am guilty of once or twice) should be taken as fair game. You can always ignore comments as long as it is not slanderous.
Is it fair game for the person to respond in a naughty manner as well?
l've always felt a person's reaction to feedback requests shows whether they were really looking for honest opinions or whether they were looking for validation for their choices.
That's fair but I'm not talking about civil constructive criticism. I'm asking about the naughty responses that Ark mentioned. It seems to me that if feedback is given in a sarcastic manner one can expect the reaction to be the same.
Me too but I have tremendous respect for forum members who can give thoughtful civil feedback.
In the time I've been here there has been a shift in the Project Announcements threads from basically having a build log with requests and responses for things related to the build to banter and conversation, often veering far away from the build. It annoyed me at first, but I got used to it.Good insight. I don't disagree with it. Especially the second point about people posting their own pictures in other people's threads. It's okay if they're showing someone how they did something if requested , but I've seen it used when people basically say "hey you stole my idea", which I find annoying.
I blame Rick & Griff/Maximus.
It still annoys me when people post more pics of their own build in thread than the OP has of the build the thread is supposed to be about.
Remember the great Kaneda Wars of the Fall of '13?
Now he does it on Pinside.Remember the great Kaneda Wars of the Fall of '13?
Yeah, that was educational. It was soon after I signed up here.
He was from NYC and was setting up a game-room. He wanted everyone to tell him how great he was for paying someone else to build his pedestal. It had angled joysticks, among other problems. He straight-up posted a "do you like this?" thread and then cried when everyone said no.
He also liked reminding everyone how rich he was.
...And then he did it all over again at KLOV. ???
The more things change, the more they stay the same ...
Bragging on aircraft carrier. Check.
Angled sticks. Check.
Strange button spacing. Check.
Assorted folks poking fun. Check.
Assorted folks saying "don't be mean". Check.
"It isn't worth my time do it, or any research, because I has teh greatz job, unlike you looserz". Check.
Xiaou being a critical ass ("I worked in an arcade, yo") and saying that everybody else is mean. Check.
Ark hating everything and everybody. Check.
Whoa ... wait ... pbj is back!?!?!?
1. Don't start a Project Announcement Thread unless you have something done. Seems like we've been getting PA threads started as placeholders before anything has even been planned.
PS - And why do builders have time to write a wall of text about everything they accomplished this weekend just to also tell you they will post pictures of their progress when they have time. :dizzy:
PS - And why do builders have time to write a wall of text about everything they accomplished this weekend just to also tell you they will post pictures of their progress when they have time. :dizzy:
I'm flat out amazed how many regulars around here seem to be completely stumped at the process of taking and uploading a photo.
Makes you wonder how many of those projects and "weird cabinet I recently picked up" really exist.
Hey guise! I just found this weird arcade cabinet thing on the side of the road. It is in perfect condition but I need your help figuring out what it is.
It seems to be made from fiberglass? There is a metal plate showing it was made by some company I've never heard of... "Syzygy Engineering" The serial number is 9001.
I'll post a picture as soon as I can figure out how to sync my Polaroid with my MySpace account!
I'm flat out amazed how many regulars around here seem to be completely stumped at the process of taking and uploading a photo.
Makes you wonder how many of those projects and "weird cabinet I recently picked up" really exist.
Too soon, bro. Too soon.
I find myself just uploading pictures via Tapatalk. It's much easier.I'm flat out amazed how many regulars around here seem to be completely stumped at the process of taking and uploading a photo.
Makes you wonder how many of those projects and "weird cabinet I recently picked up" really exist.
And it's not like you need to use the --NOT A PROJECT - Images thread-- for uploading your pics. You can attach pictures straight to your post, which is a couple steps easier, even though not in a centralized location.
I find myself just uploading pictures via Tapatalk. It's much easier.
Also, I really miss restorations. The first things that really attracted me to this site weren't the MAME builds, they were the restorations being done.
Also, I really miss restorations. The first things that really attracted me to this site weren't the MAME builds, they were the restorations being done.
Sorry bro, I didnt feel like chronicling the Virtua Cop, NBA Jam, Offroad Thunder, or Cruisn USA restores I did. No one seemed to give a crap about the restore section. I restored them all in my rape dungeon :/
Restorations are the best. Love seeing those - even if there is a rape dungeon involved.I almost dont want to finish the drywall now and get a neon sign made up "Rape Dungeon Arcade"
I'm confused. Is Malenko here or not? >:DWe convinced him to stay.