Build Your Own Arcade Controls Forum
Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: ragnar on October 21, 2011, 10:38:48 pm
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Know of a fun beatable arcade game? List it here. The less popular the better!
Simple examples:
The Simpsons
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
And this works to, give reasoning:
NBA Jam (beating all teams with any one team is considered "beating it". Stretch goal: beating it with a very bad team)
Mortal Kombat (win game with each character)
Did a Google search for ideas. Found nothing. Let's make this thread epic! or make me look like a fool and show me the existing thread ;-)
The older the game, the better. The Google does nothing! (http://www.google.com/search?q=first+beatable+arcade+game&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)
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Sunset Riders
ALL Metal Slug series
Superman
Eight Man
basically any game that lets you INSERT MORE COINS to continue >:D
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Regarding anything that you can just pump quarters into. I guess the point is to not list games like Pacman where the general goal to most mortals is to get the high score. Some consider it beatable after level 256 (or whatever it is).
I guess I should have been more specific. Side scrollers that come to a conclusion or games where you can select one path to victory and go for it (NBA Jam for example).
Pernsonally, i ma after games that are fun that I have not played before that I can try and beat to make things more fun.
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Bubble bobble is my personal favorite, also battletoads
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Twin Eagle - Revenge Joe's Brother
One of those top-down shooters.. Has a really odd message at the end before the credits (you can see on YouTube)... But if you pump enough quarters in, you just can't lose. That's why I ended up selling mine off. Stopped being fun after the first couple of times :P But worth it to read through the ending just once...
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Regarding anything that you can just pump quarters into. I guess the point is to not list games like Pacman where the general goal to most mortals is to get the high score. Some consider it beatable after level 256 (or whatever it is).
I guess I should have been more specific. Side scrollers that come to a conclusion or games where you can select one path to victory and go for it (NBA Jam for example).
Pernsonally, i ma after games that are fun that I have not played before that I can try and beat to make things more fun.
Beatable implies a goal to achieve. So why separate Pac-man from the other games. Pac-man is considered beaten if you get a perfect game all the way to and including the last screen. There may not be a fancy ending or trophy awarded over a dead boss, but once you do it no one can top you, and you'll have a score that can't be beaten.
Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
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I always go back to the beat 'em ups. Bad dudes, crude buster, etc. Sailor Moon has surprisingly good gameplay as well. I really enjoy the Sengoku series.
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Double dragon series, black tiger.....
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Twin Eagle - Revenge Joe's Brother
One of those top-down shooters.. Has a really odd message at the end before the credits (you can see on YouTube)... But if you pump enough quarters in, you just can't lose. That's why I ended up selling mine off. Stopped being fun after the first couple of times :P But worth it to read through the ending just once...
Too bad Twin Eagle II stunk of poo. :hissy:
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do fighting games count?
If not then
Dungeons & Dragons : Shadow over Mystara
Dungeons & Dragons: Tower of Doom
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I understand what the op is going for, but just pumping a game full of credits and playing it until you're through isn't "beating it". I would even say what discerns arcade games from many of the console games produced today is that you will get the most fun out of them if you play them again and again until you've mastered and beaten them with only one coin, while today's games are there to be played once and as soon as you've seen/ "experienced" the whole game, that's it. I'm not judging anybody for not playing a game "right" or "how the developers intended them"; I think both types of games have their merits, so I won't take side on this debate either. But saying that you "beat" a top-down-shooter just when all you did is play it through with lots of help from the coin button and selling it again because it then became boring is completely incomprehensible to me.
Waiting for burgerkingdiamond to joing the discussion...
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Outside of Pac-man, some of the others classics I'm aware of are Indiana Jones, Gun Smoke, Crystal Castles, Super Mario Bros., the Arkanoid series, Dig Dug, Donkey Kong, Jr. Pac-man, Ms. Pac-man, Pac-man Plus, and Pole Position, just to name the classic games with and end that once reached, it can be said they were beaten. ;D
(Though with Indiana Jones there is a final round that you play on until you die out).
Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
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Pretty much any game ever made by Capcom.
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Regarding anything that you can just pump quarters into. I guess the point is to not list games like Pacman where the general goal to most mortals is to get the high score. Some consider it beatable after level 256 (or whatever it is).
I guess I should have been more specific. Side scrollers that come to a conclusion or games where you can select one path to victory and go for it (NBA Jam for example).
Pernsonally, i ma after games that are fun that I have not played before that I can try and beat to make things more fun.
Beatable implies a goal to achieve. So why separate Pac-man from the other games. Pac-man is considered beaten if you get a perfect game all the way to and including the last screen. There may not be a fancy ending or trophy awarded over a dead boss, but once you do it no one can top you, and you'll have a score that can't be beaten.
Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
Yes, but with Pac-man, the creators never intended it to be beaten. They never considered someone getting to level 256 (thought it impossible I think) so they never tested the scenario. I don't think a game is beatable just because it gets buggy or crashes if you get so far into it.
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Donkey Kong
I'm going to have to disagree with this one. The first level is so hard it would make modern-age gamers weep tears of frustration, and each subsequent level is just as hard. :banghead:
I'll put my vote in for Aliens. It's the only game as a kid at the arcade that I was able to finish with a modest amount of quarters in my pocket.
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Donkey Kong
I'm going to have to disagree with this one. The first level is so hard it would make modern-age gamers weep tears of frustration, and each subsequent level is just as hard. :banghead:
My nephew is 10 and he beat the first level of DK in about 5 minutes of trying. Probably used about 3 credits. He received no coaching from me. He's not a child prodigy either. He has a gamecube that he plays maybe 3 or 4 hours a week.
I mean getting a DK kill screen is an amazing feat, but just getting to the top of stage 1 is about 2 out of 10 for difficulty imo.
Only non-fighting arcade game of note I have ever 1cc'd is Superman.
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Regarding anything that you can just pump quarters into. I guess the point is to not list games like Pacman where the general goal to most mortals is to get the high score. Some consider it beatable after level 256 (or whatever it is).
I guess I should have been more specific. Side scrollers that come to a conclusion or games where you can select one path to victory and go for it (NBA Jam for example).
Pernsonally, i ma after games that are fun that I have not played before that I can try and beat to make things more fun.
Beatable implies a goal to achieve. So why separate Pac-man from the other games. Pac-man is considered beaten if you get a perfect game all the way to and including the last screen. There may not be a fancy ending or trophy awarded over a dead boss, but once you do it no one can top you, and you'll have a score that can't be beaten.
Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.
Yes, but with Pac-man, the creators never intended it to be beaten. They never considered someone getting to level 256 (thought it impossible I think) so they never tested the scenario. I don't think a game is beatable just because it gets buggy or crashes if you get so far into it.
I do.
A game is beaten when you reach the end. Or a game is beaten when you take every point out of it that is possible in a single play. (Pac-man falls into both categories).
It is of no relevance whether or not the creators intended for it to be beaten or if the end of the game is buggy.
Donkey Kong
I'm going to have to disagree with this one. The first level is so hard it would make modern-age gamers weep tears of frustration, and each subsequent level is just as hard. :banghead:
Just because you find it difficult doesn't mean someone else hasn't beaten it.
Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York
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Donkey Kong
I'm going to have to disagree with this one. The first level is so hard it would make modern-age gamers weep tears of frustration, and each subsequent level is just as hard. :banghead:
Ask Brian Kuh if Donkey Kong can be beaten.
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Bubble Bobble is one of my favourites along with Choplifter.
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What's the use of pinpointing games that have an ending?
The basic premiss of a background story (narrative), already indicates there is a goal to achieve.
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Dragon's Lair and Space Ace!
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I second battle toads. Ill add Smash Tv, Xmen,TMNT,MK2,and final fight.
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Beating Bad Dudes is a trip, just for the picture of 'President Ronnie' with hamburgers.
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Most modern arcade games are "beatable."
I feel like it would be easier to make a list of games that are UN-beatable (Example: an infinite loop, no kill screen, no roll-credits, impossible to get a perfect game, etc).
Also - if you are inserting more than 1 credit, you are doing it wrong.
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194X (has an ending, doesn't it?)
Rush'N'Attack (has an ending, resets to a harder level)
Operation Wolf
Pang
Willow
Robocop
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I think you should re-title the thread to games you can beat using 1 Credit / 1 Quarter...
Some of the dedicated machines I own which I've accomplished this on:
Gun.Smoke
Arkanoid
Galaga 88'
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I think you should re-title the thread to games you can beat using 1 Credit / 1 Quarter...
Some of the dedicated machines I own which I've accomplished this on:
Gun.Smoke
Arkanoid
Galaga 88'
I only consider arcade games beaten if I have done so on 1 credit.
An interesting essay on the topic:
http://insomnia.ac/commentary/arcade_culture/ (http://insomnia.ac/commentary/arcade_culture/)
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Ninja Baseball Batman
Ninja Baseball Batman - Angry Video Game Nerd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb4-1G4Tc-I#ws)
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Excellent article, that.
One credit is all. And it hits that nail on the head on so many levels when comparing to so many 'modern' games.
And I think it also points to the current generation's mentality with regard to older games. Certainly 'in the west'.
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Not to derail the topic too much but I thought I would chime in on the arcade vs. console debate. I think I am just too young to have gotten in big on the arcade scene. I was born in '82 and while I have some fond memories of a few games while on summer vacation in various places, I think I was too young to hang out by myself in the arcade and as such don't have the most memories. I would put myself in the NES generation, but I would also say that of all the consoles, the NES captured more of the arcade feel then most of the other systems after it.
Anyway, what do you think about phone/tablet gaming a la angry birds style games. I think that as the devices that have tried to bring gaming to the masses have simplified, more effort has been put into actual gameplay. I mean, you can't compare arcade games to multiplayer console/PC gaming since it is really apples to oranges. It's like the difference between track and field and football. But, I have enjoyed some of the more simplistic games coming out because they catch that same spirit of perfection required in the arcade. I stayed up many late hours until I finally beat angry birds with 3 stars on each level.
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Having cranked up the cheat codes, I beat Marble Madness, but I think otherwise this game is not beatable.
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It has to be done on 1 credit. Pumping credits to get to the end is simply not "beating" the game.
As afar as classics like Pacman and Donkey Kong are concerned then beating the game is just getting to the kill screen. You don't need to get the perfect score, just reach the end. But of course those games are much, much harder to achieve that.
My best beating of a game is probably Tecmo World Cup where I won the final 7-0 on one credit.
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I'm curious as to how realistic that is on a lot of games that we know are credit munchers, like The Simpsons or TMNT?
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Scramble and Super Cobra. Scramble is the only game I ever beat in an arcade.
Once you get to the base the game repeats. Man I pumped alot of quarters into that game. -Slug
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Having cranked up the cheat codes, I beat Marble Madness, but I think otherwise this game is not beatable.
This guy is badass at Marble Madness. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYsTvS3VCYQ#)
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I'm curious as to how realistic that is on a lot of games that we know are credit munchers, like The Simpsons or TMNT?
I was thinking of the exact same titles. Probably precisely why I haven't played a single game of TMNT since my cabinet became functional 7-8 months ago.
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I feel like it would be easier to make a list of games that are UN-beatable (Example: an infinite loop, no kill screen, no roll-credits, impossible to get a perfect game, etc).
My favorite game "Asteroids" or the Deluxe Version, and don''t forget Scramble
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Having cranked up the cheat codes, I beat Marble Madness, but I think otherwise this game is not beatable.
This guy is badass at Marble Madness.
that's pure insanity - he must have put a lot of time into perfecting that...and a lot of calluses perhaps.
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This guy is badass at Marble Madness. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYsTvS3VCYQ#)
Is that a vertical trackball in the marquee? Interesting.
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I'm curious as to how realistic that is on a lot of games that we know are credit munchers, like The Simpsons or TMNT?
I was thinking of the exact same titles. Probably precisely why I haven't played a single game of TMNT since my cabinet became functional 7-8 months ago.
I'm not an expert on TMNT, but I would think that a 1CC is achievable. Extremely difficult, but not impossible.
Modern gamers are happy to spend 70+ hours mindlessly waiting for the plot of the latest Zelda game to unfold, but very few people are willing to put that kind of time into mastering an arcade game. As the old saying goes "practice makes perfect."
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I only consider arcade games beaten if I have done so on 1 credit.
An interesting essay on the topic:
http://insomnia.ac/commentary/arcade_culture/ (http://insomnia.ac/commentary/arcade_culture/)
Great article,
Changed my perspective a bit.
However, as for the definition, I consider a "Beatable" game to be one that ends while you are still alive, meaning you get some type of end scene, or credit role, at the end.
Having said that, Journey has a concert when you complete the different stages. Reaching that is on my list of things to do, but does the game continue after that concert, or is it over? And does that concert play in MAME? I've seen some references that a tape or sound file is needed, but I don't know if that is currently valid.
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I'm curious as to how realistic that is on a lot of games that we know are credit munchers, like The Simpsons or TMNT?
I was thinking of the exact same titles. Probably precisely why I haven't played a single game of TMNT since my cabinet became functional 7-8 months ago.
I'm not an expert on TMNT, but I would think that a 1CC is achievable. Extremely difficult, but not impossible.
Modern gamers are happy to spend 70+ hours mindlessly waiting for the plot of the latest Zelda game to unfold, but very few people are willing to put that kind of time into mastering an arcade game. As the old saying goes "practice makes perfect."
Agreed, but some games are just shameless in their cheap attacks, and I always felt TMNT was a big offender in this respect. If it's humanly possible to beat TMNT on a single credit without MAME cheats, using dip switch settings to put the game in an easy mode, etc. I'd love to see it.
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Good luck beating NARC on $0.25
Life is short, use all your quarters!
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Agreed, but some games are just shameless in their cheap attacks, and I always felt TMNT was a big offender in this respect. If it's humanly possible to beat TMNT on a single credit without MAME cheats, using dip switch settings to put the game in an easy mode, etc. I'd love to see it.
Same here. You'd have to be a Billy Mitchell to do something like that, it seems.
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The first arcade game I ever beat was Altered Beast
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I often think about this in the context of the Metal Slug series, which I play through on the MS Anthology on PS2. The later stages have the same beautiful art and bosses, etc. as the early stages, but how many people got to see them in the arcade? As a cheapskate, when there were multiple cabinets to play, any one rarely got more than $2 in quarters from me, which in MS probably wouldn't have gotten past the first boss. I wonder if this ever affected the game designer's mindset? (Note: I do believe the MS games are possible to 1cc... would just take more determination and a better memory than I have).
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Indeed many people have 1CC'd the Metal Slug games:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=metal+slug+1cc&page=&utm_source=opensearch (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=metal+slug+1cc&page=&utm_source=opensearch)
I'm going to post this link again:
http://insomnia.ac/commentary/arcade_culture/ (http://insomnia.ac/commentary/arcade_culture/)
It does a fine job of explaining WHY limiting yourself to 1 credit is necessary, and directly addresses many of the counter points brought up in this thread. Yes - it's a bit lengthy, but if your attention span isn't long enough to read the essay, it probably isn't long enough to 1cc anything.
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if your attention span isn't long enough to read the essay, it probably isn't long enough to 1cc anything.
u mad?
The essay is fine, an interesting read, for sure... I would love to see more stuff like that written about arcade games. Nonetheless, it is one particular guy saying that one particular kind of game should be played one particular kind of way (although he gives props to Gradius V, so that is good). Personally, I can't stand to credit-feed beat-um-ups like X-men... but I can do it with Metal Slug and enjoy everything that the designers created.
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u mad?
No, not at all. To clarify, my comment wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. I apologize if I came across as being abrasive.
The point of playing games is to have fun, and I don't really care how other folks go about having fun. To each his own.
That said, if you ask me, the most fun you can have with a game is with one credit.
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Nonetheless, it is one particular guy saying that one particular kind of game should be played one particular kind of way.
Yep, there is merit in that 1 credit playing is often a great way to become competitive and accomplish something in a game that can be quartered through. The honest truth is that many people play different games for different reasons. Many of which are not to get better or even accomplish anything at all. A lot of times I play games to see howwell I can do on 5 credits, or maybe I will play for 15 minutes and see how far I can get. Other games I will just play through, but that is usually when I am drinking and relaxing with friends.
Having said that, Journey has a concert when you complete the different stages. Reaching that is on my list of things to do, but does the game continue after that concert, or is it over? And does that concert play in MAME? I've seen some references that a tape or sound file is needed, but I don't know if that is currently valid.
I believe Journey had a tape inside the cab that played when you beat all the stages. It works in MAME as well, but you need the sound file in the samples folder. A Google search should get you the file easily.
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That said, if you ask me, the most fun you can have with a game is with one credit.
I get that, for sure. I really like Raiden II (even though I suck at it)... sometimes it is fun to plow through, but usually limiting myself to one credit makes me more invested, and thus makes the game more fun.
On the console side, it is interesting how some shmups have approached this- both Gradius V (PS2) and Ikaruga (GC) have a restriction where you earn a credit limit based on how much time you have spent playing... unlimited continues come eventually, but by that point you will have put in at least enough time to memorize the first few levels and learn the game mechanics. I kind of wish Raiden IV (360) would have done the same thing, I couldn't resist the urge to credit push and see the whole thing right away.
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I don't think Raiden II HAS an ending, IIRC.
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u mad?
No, not at all. To clarify, my comment wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. I apologize if I came across as being abrasive.
The point of playing games is to have fun, and I don't really care how other folks go about having fun. To each his own.
That said, if you ask me, the most fun you can have with a game is with one credit.
I'm in the same boat as you but I didn't realize that until I got addicted to playing classic games in MAME and started participating in friendly competitions, etc. Forget "finishing" hack-and-slash bore-fests like God of War and the like; working hard at a purely skill-based game and finally breaking a target score is the most rewarding experience to be had in gaming, IMO.
Which, I guess partly explains why I have no interest whatsoever in playing certain quarter sucking games on my MAME machine (in particular, many in the late 80's and early 90's). The weird thing is, those were the games that were "current" when I was old enough to go to arcades on my own, and I remember standing in line to play them back then, and loving every minute of the experience. Playing those games (like TMNT) in my own home for free these days back to back with classics like Robotron, Centipede, and Defender has really exposed the fact that many of them were designed to be, for all intents and purposes, impossible to beat after a certain point so that you'd be coaxed into reaching for more quarters. That aspect has totally killed the magic for me.
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If you want to see one of the greatest of all game beat downs take a look at my friend Zack Hample's game play. (He has the world records on Arkanoid, Tournament Arkanoid, and Arkanoid Revenge of Doh).
He didn't just finish them, he finished them on one life.
Zack Hample pwning Arkanoid (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4230126374516958798)
Zack Hample pwning Tournament Arkanoid (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7509575714172157108)
(He has yet to do the same on "doh").
Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.