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Title: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: MacGyver on April 06, 2011, 05:32:01 am: I was re-reading RandyT's post from ages ago and was wondering.... http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=70840.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=70840.0)
http://www.groovygamegear.com/lcdmarquee/ActiveMarquee2.wmv (http://www.groovygamegear.com/lcdmarquee/ActiveMarquee2.wmv)
(http://www.groovygamegear.com/lcdmarquee/vidcap2.jpg)

Now that LCDs and Plasmas are a lot cheaper, has anyone looked into what it would cost to have them cut down? Is the cutting service still too expensive to be able to make a profit on the resell of them? I would be willing to spend up to $400 on a LCD marquee replacement that wouldn't need to stick out the top or bottom, and fit side to side. I know they cut LCDs all the time for aircraft controls, you would think the price would come down after they had the infrastructure in place to do it once. In it's most simplistic form isn't it just; Pressurize cutting box, cut along lower edge, reseal with epoxy, then disconnect driver circuits no longer needed?

I have found only these manufactures:
http://www.tannas.com/index.html (http://www.tannas.com/index.html)
http://www.symbolicdisplays.com/LCD_glass.html (http://www.symbolicdisplays.com/LCD_glass.html)

Has anyone had this done? Any idea of the cost? Can I hold my breath and see it "Coming soon.." on Randys site? ;D
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Razzer on April 06, 2011, 06:30:14 am: Hi,

If you got the $$

http://www.lg.com/hk/commercial-product/commercial-monitor/LG-commercial-monitor-M2900S.jsp (http://www.lg.com/hk/commercial-product/commercial-monitor/LG-commercial-monitor-M2900S.jsp)

http://www.lg.com/hk/commercial-product/commercial-monitor/LG-commercial-monitor-M3800S.jsp (http://www.lg.com/hk/commercial-product/commercial-monitor/LG-commercial-monitor-M3800S.jsp)

Razzer
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: MacGyver on April 06, 2011, 07:03:53 am: Wow, I had no idea those existed. (I live in Germany, I don't get to go to Best Buys and Fry's like most of you guys do. :'()

$1,049.99 LG M2900S-BN - 29" LCD flat panel display - widescreen - black http://www.amazon.com/LG-M2900S-BN-panel-display-widescreen/dp/B001F4R2KQ (http://www.amazon.com/LG-M2900S-BN-panel-display-widescreen/dp/B001F4R2KQ)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21gFDplBhkL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

$1,945.79 LG M3800S-BN - 38" LCD flat panel display - widescreen - black http://www.amazon.com/LG-M3800S-BN-panel-display-widescreen/dp/B001F4YIH6/ (http://www.amazon.com/LG-M3800S-BN-panel-display-widescreen/dp/B001F4YIH6/)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21kILzXHA8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

That is crazy expensive, I can buy a 32" for less than $250 http://www.amazon.com/Coby-TFTV3225-720p-Widescreen-HDTV/dp/B003VRWKU2/ref=sr_1_5?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1302087072&sr=1-5 (http://www.amazon.com/Coby-TFTV3225-720p-Widescreen-HDTV/dp/B003VRWKU2/ref=sr_1_5?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1302087072&sr=1-5). I can't see why it should be $700-$2700 extra to just to cut a panel, once the infrastructure is in place to do one. Although I bet LG just did a custom production run on their screens and didn't have to cut them.

I could see paying $400, but not $2000. I guess I won't be having a LCD panel for my marquee anytime soon.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Dazz on April 06, 2011, 08:43:23 am: HyperSpin Arcade Marquees Stretch Monitor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7XjsyST2fQ#ws)
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Hiub1 on April 06, 2011, 09:56:37 am: :notworthy:
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: bkenobi on April 06, 2011, 11:09:30 am: That looks freaking amazing. BUT, that's also more than I have in my whole cabinet. If I were in the $3000 price range for my build budget, I'd be very interested though.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: DCsegaDH on April 06, 2011, 01:07:53 pm: I was thinking about doing a lcd as a marquee too, but it seems too expensive for me. I'm on a strict budget, maybe later I'll try this.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: pinballwizard79 on April 06, 2011, 01:54:48 pm: F you Dazz ;D
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Dazz on April 06, 2011, 04:05:32 pm: Quote from: pinballwizard79 on April 06, 2011, 01:54:48 pm
F you Dazz ;D
Too bad that's not mine... That's BadBoyBill's, the creator of HyperSpin, and I think he paid about $700 for it.

I personally can't afford that, so I am just going to use a normal sized LCD in the way that Randy did on his cab. My cab uses a 24" LCD, so I'm going to get another 24" LCD for my marquee. The top part of my image is going to have my cabinet marquee logo/design and the lower part will show the game being played.

We have a project under way for marquee images, right now we have over 400 re-drawn marquees. This includes many extremely rare marquees where just finding a single image of the game online is impossible.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Bootay on April 06, 2011, 04:13:08 pm: Wow...that is awesome. I hope prices come down soon..I would like to do this to a couple of cabs.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: javeryh on April 06, 2011, 05:15:55 pm: Sick.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: MacGyver on April 07, 2011, 03:07:56 am: Those monitors are even more sick than I thought. ;D I just wish we could get a $300-$400 half-height LCD for our needs. Maybe one day. I really thought the custom cutting cost would have come down by now. Oh well.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Gray_Area on April 09, 2011, 07:22:40 pm: In a similar vein, I looked into custom size LCDs. Why cut them, when you can just make them that way? Further, if you're making your own cabinet, why be stuck with the standard marquee size? There are lots of things you can do with the rest of the screen - for example, high score tables per game.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Xiaou2 on April 09, 2011, 07:53:28 pm: A pocket (pico) projector might be an option...

maybe this:

http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-PK301-Pico-Pocket-Projector/dp/B0039XRJ5Y/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1279749731&sr=1-3 (http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-PK301-Pico-Pocket-Projector/dp/B0039XRJ5Y/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1279749731&sr=1-3)
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: ntk on April 10, 2011, 01:37:26 pm: Preparing my arcade machine for Hyperspin 2.0 added a 27" screen for dynamic marquee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUEfhnFctMs#)
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: NipRing on April 10, 2011, 08:58:31 pm: Interesting :cheers:. Can the letters be made smaller so there are more on the screen at one time? Might be easier to read at a glance. What model is that scrolling led?
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: mhermann on November 23, 2011, 06:21:42 pm: Sorry to open an old thread. But just scored one the LG monitors on ebay for $650. Man I thought I scratched this itch 4 years ago. Now I am back making changes to my cab. And with this purchase I will most likely have to do another build as my current cab will not fit the Marquee LCD as it is a little too wide and a little too tall. (the LCD not the CAB)

But I just got into getting hyper spin to work and am going to buy some of the aimtrak guns neither of which were available when I started my project years ago. I am also redoing the CP to a 4 player. (but getting north coast customs for that as I just don't have the time).

Anyway back to my reason for posting.

@Dazz any tricks to getting this thing hooked up to Hyperspin?
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Xiaou2 on November 23, 2011, 09:15:43 pm: Some other options, using mirrors and standard & decased/laptop LCDs.

A) Top Mount
B) Internal De-Cased / Thin LCD
C) Large LCD, software split. Physical boarder divider.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: mhermann on November 23, 2011, 11:38:51 pm: Have you tried any of those options. I was looking for something with the best results with the least amount of hassle, although I did pay a premium for that.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Donkey_Kong on November 24, 2011, 12:23:35 am: Man that is so cool. Someday...
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Xiaou2 on November 24, 2011, 05:54:11 am: Quote
Have you tried any of those options. I was looking for something with the best results with the least amount of hassle, although I did pay a premium for that.

Nope. Just something I whipped up in my head for people like myself, who cant justify that kind of money on a marquee.

Im pretty sure they would work ok.. but certainly not as nice as what you picked up. Id love a dedicated marquee.. and Im sure a lot of others would too... but not at +600. Maybe 2 to 300 max.

The thing is, if theres enough pre-order capability, it might actually pull down the costs drastically. The tooling is probably still available.. its just the machine time and assembly that will costs. 1000 pre-orders @ $300 = $300,000.. which is good money if the factory has a slow period and wants to crank out some extra work.

Plus, your cutting out a few middle-men, which helps preserve their higher profit margins.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: tony.silveira on August 27, 2012, 09:33:38 pm: hey guys,

someone on eBay is selling the 29" lg monitor, refurbs, for $150 or so, free shipping. I ordered one and will report back once it arrives.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: MacGyver on August 28, 2012, 01:51:03 am: That's called rubbing it in, my cabinet width between the two sides in 29" :cry:

Seriously though, please post pictures and videos if possible. I have always wondered what if.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Unstupid on August 28, 2012, 03:38:32 am: Quote from: tony.silveira on August 27, 2012, 09:33:38 pm
hey guys,

someone on eBay is selling the 29" lg monitor, refurbs, for $150 or so, free shipping. I ordered one and will report back once it arrives.

Free shipping? Or $116 shipping? I don't see the free shipping one! I paid for the shipping because at $275 it is still a great deal. Looks like a full size cab will be my next project (after the one I'm already working on ;))
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: tony.silveira on August 28, 2012, 08:42:22 am: Quote from: Unstupid on August 28, 2012, 03:38:32 am
Quote from: tony.silveira on August 27, 2012, 09:33:38 pm
hey guys,

someone on eBay is selling the 29" lg monitor, refurbs, for $150 or so, free shipping. I ordered one and will report back once it arrives.

Free shipping? Or $116 shipping? I don't see the free shipping one! I paid for the shipping because at $275 it is still a great deal. Looks like a full size cab will be my next project (after the one I'm already working on ;))

here is his link, $159, it says free shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-M2900S-BN-29in-Lcd-Monitor-17-6-/230844244982?pt=Televisions&hash=item35bf63a3f6 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-M2900S-BN-29in-Lcd-Monitor-17-6-/230844244982?pt=Televisions&hash=item35bf63a3f6)
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: PL1 on August 28, 2012, 12:05:57 pm: Same seller on Amazon for $5 less.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001F4R2KQ/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001F4R2KQ/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished)

Scott
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: ChadTower on August 28, 2012, 01:40:42 pm: That would be awesome to use as a DMD for a VP cab. Specs put it at 30.1" in the case. That would be super tight in a Williams DMD head. IIRC it's 30" outer measurement for the head but I could be wrong. Maybe if this were decased or the inside of the head chiseled out a little. Or maybe just build a new head.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: tony.silveira on August 28, 2012, 01:47:46 pm: Quote from: PL1 on August 28, 2012, 12:05:57 pm
Same seller on Amazon for $5 less.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001F4R2KQ/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001F4R2KQ/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished)

Scott

FYI, bought it from him on amazon, with tax, xcame out to $168
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Unstupid on August 28, 2012, 01:57:03 pm: Quote from: tony.silveira on August 28, 2012, 08:42:22 am
Quote from: Unstupid on August 28, 2012, 03:38:32 am
Quote from: tony.silveira on August 27, 2012, 09:33:38 pm
hey guys,

someone on eBay is selling the 29" lg monitor, refurbs, for $150 or so, free shipping. I ordered one and will report back once it arrives.

Free shipping? Or $116 shipping? I don't see the free shipping one! I paid for the shipping because at $275 it is still a great deal. Looks like a full size cab will be my next project (after the one I'm already working on ;))

here is his link, $159, it says free shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-M2900S-BN-29in-Lcd-Monitor-17-6-/230844244982?pt=Televisions&hash=item35bf63a3f6 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-M2900S-BN-29in-Lcd-Monitor-17-6-/230844244982?pt=Televisions&hash=item35bf63a3f6)

Well I bought another one from amazon and with shipping ($104) it was $238. I guess there is no free/cheap shipping to Hawaii!
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: ChadTower on August 28, 2012, 07:13:21 pm: Took some measurements of the inner opening on some pin heads.

Whodunnit: 27"
F-14 Tomcat: 27"
Fathom: 29.5"

The manual for this monitor says it is 31.5" with the case.

You could try for a widebody pin but that really narrows down the donor list. To realistically use this as a DMD in a VP cab you'd have to make your own cab head.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Paul Olson on August 29, 2012, 12:05:14 am: Thanks for the heads up! I ordered one from Amazon earlier today. Now I am trying to find badboybill's thread at hyperspin about creating hi res marquees for these monitors. Time for a bump!!
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Unstupid on August 29, 2012, 12:08:32 am: Quote from: Paul Olson on August 29, 2012, 12:05:14 am
Thanks for the heads up! I ordered one from Amazon earlier today. Now I am trying to find badboybill's thread at hyperspin about creating hi res marquees for these monitors. Time for a bump!!

when you find it can you post the link or send it to me in a PM. thanks!
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: MacGyver on August 29, 2012, 12:57:18 pm: My dream LCD is the Litemax SSD2815.
(http://www.litemax.com/Download/more%20picture/SSD2815/album/slides/SSD2815-3.jpg)
http://www.litemax.com/Download/more%20picture/SSD2815/album/index.html (http://www.litemax.com/Download/more%20picture/SSD2815/album/index.html)

It's a 16:3 aspect ratio 28.5"x6", and perfect for my cab, but they are around $1500.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: drventure on August 29, 2012, 01:01:02 pm: Wow. Litemax has some interesting products. Pricey, but definitely interesting.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Unstupid on August 30, 2012, 08:47:30 pm: got one of mines today. It was packed allright. There is a couple of small scratches/scuffs on the metal housing, but not a big deal as I'm thinking about decasing it for my project anyways. We'll see. Couple things to note it is quite wide over 30" in the case maybe just under 29 decased (don't know for sure yet). So it is much wider than a standard arcade machine. Another thing... It is heavy! this is definately commercial grade hardware. The manual says 28 pounds but it feels more like 50. nice looking screen though... We'll see what it looks like when I fire it up.
(http://www.unstupid.com/myimages/m2900s-bn.jpg)
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Unstupid on August 30, 2012, 09:29:56 pm: Quote from: pinballjim on August 30, 2012, 09:26:28 pm
My finger has been hovering over the Buy It Now button for 15 minutes but this thing is too darn wide for an arcade cabinet.

Here is a hint as to whats going into my next build: The m2900s-bn is the same width as a 32" widescreen monitor! ;) Oops, did I say too much? :D
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Unstupid on August 30, 2012, 09:40:05 pm: I don't know if I'm going to be able to make it look as good as this one: ???
MAME Hyperspin Dynamic Active Marquee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fVpYchiq40#ws)
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Paul Olson on August 30, 2012, 10:15:15 pm: I just got mine in. There are some pretty nasty scratches on the top and back of the case, but the screen looks good. The manual mentions a remote, but mine didn't come with one.

I plan on mounting this above my 47" TV, so off to buy a new mount. The mounting holes are 400 x 200 if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: alfonzotan on August 31, 2012, 07:09:13 am: Quote from: pinballjim on August 30, 2012, 09:26:28 pm
My finger has been hovering over the Buy It Now button for 15 minutes but this thing is too darn wide for an arcade cabinet.

This. I love the device, but it'd look like a tumor on top of my cab.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: fantoboy on August 31, 2012, 08:33:12 am: Quote from: PL1 on August 28, 2012, 12:05:57 pm
Same seller on Amazon for $5 less.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001F4R2KQ/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001F4R2KQ/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished)

Scott

How difficult is it to get Hyperspin to output to this as a 2nd monitor with this weird resolution? Can I just use the marquees as they are?
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Paul Olson on August 31, 2012, 09:21:14 am: It will be a feature of HS 2.0, but I don't know when that will be out. You can do it in MAME, but it requires editing all of the .lay files. I haven't figured out how to get them to display right though. The marquee looks like it is centered on a 4:3 screen, so I see about half of the marquee at the bottom.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: TopJimmyCooks on August 31, 2012, 01:51:10 pm: could the default marquee be animated? a gif?

man that's tempting. can't see myself doing a 29" wide cab anytime soon. sweet price though.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: MacGyver on August 31, 2012, 05:47:17 pm: Quote from: alfonzotan on August 31, 2012, 07:09:13 am
I love the device, but it'd look like a tumor on top of my cab.

If it were 16:3 I'd jump on it. When a company starts selling 16:3 monitors in various sizes at under $200 a piece, we'll all have active marquees I bet. Too bad those Litemaxs will never go on sale like these 29" did.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Afterburner on August 31, 2012, 06:01:16 pm: Looks like word got around to the arcade community pretty quick.....they are sold out from both Amazon and EBay. At least the $160 ones.

No mention if the seller will get more.

Too bad....I was ready to pull the trigger for $160. Pretty much had the wife sold on it at that price.
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Unstupid on August 31, 2012, 06:19:15 pm: Quote from: Afterburner on August 31, 2012, 06:01:16 pm
Pretty much had the wife sold on it at that price.
how did you do that?
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: Unstupid on August 31, 2012, 06:20:15 pm: Quote from: Unstupid on August 31, 2012, 06:19:15 pm
Quote from: Afterburner on August 31, 2012, 06:01:16 pm
Pretty much had the wife sold on it at that price.
how did you do that? I have both at my office... I'm afraid to bring them home!
Title: Re: Cutting LCD/Plasma to use as a marquee.
Post by: PL1 on August 31, 2012, 09:35:12 pm: Quote from: fantoboy on August 31, 2012, 08:33:12 am
Quote from: PL1 on August 28, 2012, 12:05:57 pm
Same seller on Amazon for $5 less.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001F4R2KQ/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001F4R2KQ/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished)

Scott

How difficult is it to get Hyperspin to output to this as a 2nd monitor with this weird resolution? Can I just use the marquees as they are?

No idea. I just reposted MacGyver's link (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,110882.msg1175331.html#msg1175331) from earlier in this thread (06 Apr 2011) -- don't have Hyperspin, don't have the monitor.

Scott