The NEW Build Your Own Arcade Controls
Main => Buy/Sell/Trade - non-retail => Topic started by: Michigan Classic Arcade on February 14, 2010, 04:00:08 pm
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No more trying to figure out the dimensions on a Mortal Kombat side panel, I did it for you. Simply lay this profile down on your MDF or plywood and trace. Our profiles are 100 percent exact to the original cabinet. We cut them on a CNC machine.
(http://michiganclassicarcade.com/images/mortalkombatpat_large.jpg)
These come shipped in bubble wrap wide box in two half pieces. If you have any questions please message me here or email me from our website. We take all major credit cards and ship outside the United States.
No more guessing a radius or measuring for hours. All points are exact.
What you get with your order:
A printed sheet of plans to build your specific cabinet
A personalized Key Chain for your specific pattern order
Your Profile Pattern 3/16" thick Hardboard Material
You'll be completely satisfied with your order and we stand behind everything we sell. All orders are secure.
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Are these exactly like the original plans or are these based of Jakobud's plans (which are very good and close, but not perfect)?
And why the second thread after you announced this a couple of weeks ago? :dunno
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=99895.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=99895.0)
Never mind. After reading that thread, I can see why you closed it. Not the best customer service demonstrated regardless of what others said.
Looks like Christian found a new place to work. ;)
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Oh, and isn't the "free shipping" disingenuous at best? It's not "free". Rather, the shipping charges are included in the price. Perhaps it would be better to say: "Price includes shipping!" or "No additional shipping charges!". Hell, even throw in some asterisks to draw attention to your thread. That's worked so well in the past. :)
You're going to get someone in here shortly asking how much the free shipping is! :P
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I cant resist chiming in, first off HUGE water marks across photos is SOOOOOOOO 1992. Also, its great that you use someone elses images all over your site yet want to "protect" yours. Also, you're pricing page is hilarious. Everything in the patterns part is exactly the same for everything.
I am confused about one thing, on your "assembled" cabs, it says "Fully assembled wood cabinet only" only to the left, then theres a list of parts (tmolding, door locks,etc), then to the right it says "everything included except primer and paint" ; so which is it? And you did not specify no side art, CPO, marquee, monitors, power supply, PCB, etc , any reason why?
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Oh, and isn't the "free shipping" disingenuous at best? It's not "free". Rather, the shipping charges are included in the price. Perhaps it would be better to say: "Price includes shipping!" or "No additional shipping charges!". Hell, even throw in some asterisks to draw attention to your thread. That's worked so well in the past. :)
You're going to get someone in here shortly asking how much the free shipping is! :P
How is that different from ANY other free shipping?
Free shipping is only ever offered if its cost can be absorbed while maintaining a profit on the overall purchase.
It clearly means that the price you see is the price you pay. There is no extra charge for shipping. :DUH:
Why are people so quick to bash/discredit/derail this guy?
It seems like you guys were just in the mood to be a bunch of donkeyholes.
His prices were certainly high at first, but he did actually lower those prices. Not after a friendly showing of market value, but an onslaught of people basically calling him a greedy idiot.
I didn't see any examples of poor customer service, as it doesn't appear that anyone that was in that mess was even a potential customer.
That being said, I won't be a customer either. Already built me a cab, and a template like those would just be an added expense that someone building a single cab would have little use for.
I see where they could be handy though, and good luck to you Michigan with both those and your cabinet sales.
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Oh, and isn't the "free shipping" disingenuous at best? It's not "free". Rather, the shipping charges are included in the price. Perhaps it would be better to say: "Price includes shipping!" or "No additional shipping charges!". Hell, even throw in some asterisks to draw attention to your thread. That's worked so well in the past. :)
You're going to get someone in here shortly asking how much the free shipping is! :P
How is that different from ANY other free shipping?
Free shipping is only ever offered if its cost can be absorbed while maintaining a profit on the overall purchase.
It clearly means that the price you see is the price you pay. There is no extra charge for shipping. :DUH:
Why are people so quick to bash/discredit/derail this guy?
It seems like you guys were just in the mood to be a bunch of donkeyholes.
His prices were certainly high at first, but he did actually lower those prices. Not after a friendly showing of market value, but an onslaught of people basically calling him a greedy idiot.
I didn't see any examples of poor customer service, as it doesn't appear that anyone that was in that mess was even a potential customer.
That being said, I won't be a customer either. Already built me a cab, and a template like those would just be an added expense that someone building a single cab would have little use for.
I see where they could be handy though, and good luck to you Michigan with both those and your cabinet sales.
Seems like PBJ and possibly Ginsu were looking to purchase...
I don't consider calling people haters or a bunch of kids good customer service.
I still don't understand why the second thread either.
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Seems like PBJ and possibly Ginsu were looking to purchase...
I don't consider calling people haters or a bunch of kids good customer service.
I still don't understand why the second thread either.
"Offering" $200 for a shipped cocktail? Yeah, I'm sure that is a legitimate request to do business. ::)
Neither one of them was a potential customer, and there is no way you even truly believe that. Here you are just trying to continue to harass this guy, and derail another thread by him for no good reason.
Why this thread? Yeah... Okay...
If he had known that people were simply going to harass him unjustly all over again in a new thread... I am sure he is asking himself that very question.
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FWIW, I think the new prices (for the profile patterns) are very reasonable... I'm tempted.
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"Offering" $200 for a shipped cocktail? Yeah, I'm sure that is a legitimate request to do business. ::)
Neither one of them was a potential customer
You are correct on my part. I am willing pay that for one, but my wife would say otherwise. ;D
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Meh, don't drag me into this.
No ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. I saw my name and was like, "WTF?"
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Why are people so quick to bash/discredit/derail this guy?
There is some history and his misuse of the trader rating system certainly didn't help (although those ratings all seem to have been removed now).
FWIW, I think the new prices (for the profile patterns) are very reasonable...
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Anyway, considering he's selling fully assembled cocktail cabinets with all hardware minus boards/powersupply/controls/monitor for $350 on his website, I didn't think $200 for one flat packed and shipped was THAT out there. Unless he's able to knock them out quickly, I imagine there's dozens of hours of labor involved in putting them together.
BS
You aren't some new schmuck that has no grasp on costs.
You knew damn well that was an out there "offer". Name one place that you can even get such a thing even remotely that cheap, not to mention shipped.
With everything CNC cut, and all the parts needed, it doesn't take anywhere near dozens of hours to put it together, and that $350 on his site only covers local shipping within 25 miles.
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Why exactly do you care so much about this?
I just think it is pretty sad that there are so many jerks in our community that would jump on a guy like that for pretty much nothing.
You were in his thread to be a jerk and derail it. Just as you have been in many other threads.
I don't know the guy, and probably will never be buying anything from him, but he didn't deserve to be treated the way he was.
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I just think it is pretty sad that there are so many jerks in our community that would jump on a guy like that for pretty much nothing.
You were in his thread to be a jerk and derail it. Just as you have been in many other threads.
I don't know the guy, and probably will never be buying anything from him, but he didn't deserve to be treated the way he was.
some years ago you did this too. well not as bad but you had a "problem" of some sort when I was modding xboxes for people lol. my customers were paying for my time to solder, taking apart xboxes, knowledge, etc.
I agree with you. its very hard for "sellers" around here. random-ass annoying people(like PBJ) just feels to need to crap on anything anyone has to offer. either buy or stfu and take a walk. it really is that simple.
I think his prices are fair.
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I just think it is pretty sad that there are so many jerks in our community that would jump on a guy like that for pretty much nothing.
You were in his thread to be a jerk and derail it. Just as you have been in many other threads.
I don't know the guy, and probably will never be buying anything from him, but he didn't deserve to be treated the way he was.
some years ago you did this too. well not as bad but you had a "problem" of some sort when I was modding xboxes for people lol. my customers were paying for my time to solder, taking apart xboxes, knowledge, etc.
I agree with you. its very hard for "sellers" around here. random-ass annoying people(like PBJ) just feels to need to crap on anything anyone has to offer. either buy or stfu and take a walk. it really is that simple.
I think his prices are fair.
You're right.
I did.
Though I had no problems with you modding xboxes, or your costs (I don't think I had a problem with costs, but it was a pretty long time ago, so heck if I remember), but more so was worried that such services being advertised here could bring unwanted attention.
That being said, I think I apologized, and I was in the wrong crapping in your thread. If I didn't apologize, then allow me to do so. Sorry I crapped in your seller thread SNAAKE. :)
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I never commented about his prices in the original thread or here. I'll keep my opinions to myself though on everything else. It's not worth arguing about. :afro:
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I never commented about his prices in the original thread or here. I'll keep my opinions to myself though on everything else. It's not worth arguing about. :afro:
If it's not worth arguing about it then why did you yet again start this crap in my thread??. I really think you have nothing better to do. And for your information and others in here, I did not lock up the thread the moderator of the site did. And now I am formally asking him to ban you two from this forum being that you seem to like to start trouble for sellers and for me for no damn good reason.
I thank you versapak for defending me as a seller. I am trying to provide a legit seller service. My ratings on ebay are all positive by the way. Yes I started the new thread thinking that those would not do again what they did and guess what I guess I was wrong. I will yet again send another request to the mod to either ban those or suspend those accounts for not upholding the rules of this forum and trying to slander me or my business in any way.
I will entertain now some questions or comments that were brought forth about the products (yet again) that are listed on our site for those non-buyers that are causing all the trouble. :) hahahaha.
I will spell it out for you "speak and spells" WE DO NOT BUILD FULL GAMES! WE ONLY BUILD CABINETS! (read the website) it says and I will repeat, "Arcade Cabinet Kit Reproductions". This means we only build cabinets and include some of the cabinet parts as part of the package when you buy a cabinet from us.
Items listed on our (http://michiganclassicarcade.com/pricing.html (http://michiganclassicarcade.com/pricing.html)) pricing page will show the same listed items down the page or repeated listings because the items are indeed all the same for each cabinet. Each cabinet gets a lock, each cabinet gets leg levelers and rear handles, each cabinet gets t-molding and even a free key chain that has been supplied by Johnathan. Priming and painting on any cabinet we make is $25 extra.. If you order a cabinet from us and want it primed and painted *this means an additional $50 will be applied to your credit card order.
Once again (just like in the last thread) the cabinets are BUILD TO ORDER which means that you must place your order before we start building it. Now for shipping, free shipping to US states is exactly that on all pattern profile items (NOT Cabinets shipped outside Michigan)!!! The bottom line price you see on the site is what you pay!. This also includes packing materials. We are even delivering your cabinet for free if your local.
NOW as for the cabinet patterns, yes if you already have patterns or Jigs made for your cabinets no since in buying what we have you would be spending money you don't need to spend. We made these for people looking to build more then one cabinet all the time. Yes we can kick out many of these in a week if we have too. Here is a photo on how they are shipped:
(http://michiganclassicarcade.com/images/packing.jpg)
The site is very easy to understand, everyone I come across loves my products and I stand behind everything we build. I will not entertain the hatred in here any longer and I did drop the prices significantly on my profile patterns to attract more buyers.
If you can't be nice please don't bother to post anything in my thread. Your just showing your ignorance and character to say the least. VERSAPAK your right about everything you say, you seem to have a reasonable and neutral position to which I respect. I totally agree, if you don't like me posting in here trying to sell my items, go somewhere else. I also want to thank HARUMAN and SNAAKE for the kind words as well.
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You need to consider hiring someone else to do your PR :)
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I will yet again send another request to the mod to either ban those or suspend those accounts for not upholding the rules of this forum and trying to slander me or my business in any way.
So it would be a bad idea to point out that you actually mean libel, not slander, right ?
I suppose that it doesn't matter since the truth is an absolute defense against such charges and I haven't posted anything that wasn't true.
Can we expect that you will request that you are also banned for doing the precisely the same thing to other folks here ?
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I wasn't arguing in my initial two posts. I asked a question relative to your "exact dimensions" and then asked why a second thread.
My second post was tongue in cheek albeit one with valid points. I included the smiley to show that. Do a search for how much is free shipping and you'll see my point.
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I included the smiley to show that. Do a search for how much is free shipping and you'll see my point.
Liar!
If you were trying to be funny, you would have asked if it would fit in your basement!
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I wasn't arguing in my initial two posts. I asked a question relative to your "exact dimensions" and then asked why a second thread.
My second post was tongue in cheek albeit one with valid points. I included the smiley to show that. Do a search for how much is free shipping and you'll see my point.
I believe I answered this in the first thread if I'm not mistaken. As to the exact dimensions of any certain cabinet or profile pattern we sell, my CNC guy has all that information. I know that the jakobud plans are not exact but those discrepancies only deal with the inside and not the outer portion of of any given cabinet listed on the jakobud site in most cases. It is not hard to figure out a cabinet and copy it.
Let me know what cabinet or side profile template you want dimensions for and I'll measure them and post them!. You then can compare them to the original's and you'll see they are the same!
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Wait, now you're going to try and tell people the jakobud plans are identical for the sides? That's not true at all. The curves are not right. In basic width and height they are right, but in any area with a curve they are off.
How come if " It is not hard to figure out a cabinet and copy it" you don't draw your own cabinet outlines that actually are accurate? Something tells me you can't, because it's NOT that easy.
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Wait, now you're going to try and tell people the jakobud plans are identical for the sides? That's not true at all. The curves are not right. In basic width and height they are right, but in any area with a curve they are off.
How come if " It is not hard to figure out a cabinet and copy it" you don't draw your own cabinet outlines that actually are accurate? Something tells me you can't, because it's NOT that easy.
What cabinet of mine did you buy from me to come to this conclusion??? NONE!!! what cabinet of mine are you referring too that you say my measurements are not of the original cabinets I sell?? NONE! You don't know which cabinets I refereed to jakobud for or which original cabinets I took measurements from so how can you sit there and pass a judgment on my product. When you buy the product then you can take a measurement but until then go take a hike. Your a trouble maker. I also emailed you at your website pr0k to ask you what your deal was and too call me, seems as tho you run your mouth but your not able to make a phone call to me to ask me questions personally. At this point you look like a fool trying to question my product that you have never bought or measured. I told you and everyone here, measurements were taken from both original cabinets and we also refereed to the jakobud plans. We plotted the radius's from the jakobud and from our own measurements, some were a hair off, I don't think a hair makes any difference to anyone especially when sanding nothing is 1000% perfect to the "pr0k" way. Dude until you get my product in your hand you just don't know do you!.
Oh yeah, name one jakobud cabinet that your referring too (side profile) that isn't identical to curves and size and prove it. Bet ya can't do that. I'm still not saying jakobud is 1000% exact. Nothing is. Its only 3/4" plywood for god sake screwed together.
Your not going to try and put words in my mouth which is what your trying to do at this point which is so obvious. Your just ignorant.
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Your not going to try and put words in my mouth which is what your trying to do at this point which is so obvious. Your just ignorant.
I don't know if you're right about that ... ::)
EDIT: Forget it ... you don't care and it's not worth doing much more that pointing out the humour in calling somebody ignorant while making the same basic spelling mistake three times in two sentences. I guess you aren't "Smarter than a Fifth Grader(tm)" !!
EDIT2: What the heck, maybe you are genuinely interested
Uh oh - Jakobuds plans are wrong*. The cab is 31 1/2" from front to back from the bottom up to the bump out for the control panel. It is straight up, not angled out like Jakobuds plans*. The pic you posted in post #166 shows it as 30 1/2 at the bottom, but I just measured mine to be 31 1/2. The height of the widest part of the side where it bumps out for the CP I just measured to be 36", while your pic shows it to be 37 1/4" That explains why the curve on the small yellow and pink bar right above the large ms pac doesn't match the curve on the side panel (like it does on the real machine). That curve is also only 1/2 away from the edge of the cab.
*There has been a lot of debate regarding this here by others, and in my research it seems that the consensus is that perhaps there were cabs with his dimensions, but no one has been able to verify it. The slope of the front is highly suspect, and the height of the bump out for the control panel, too. It doesn't match my cab. IMO, people are just giving jakobud (Jake) the benefit of the doubt, but in reality, I bet the plans submitted to him/collected by him were just wrong. (his plans are based on actual measurements by him and measurements supplied to him from others)
Not a bashing of Jakobud, but I know for a fact that some of the designs on his pages are wrong. It would be nice if he mentioned they were only approximations, but on the other hand, people shouldn't assume his plans are good. I provided the T&F cocktail plans, and parts of his drawings are incorrect from what I provided.
Well, I was considering making a widebody nintendo cab for mario bros using the plans from jakobud. BUT, it seems that those plans are wrong. They seem to be simply "narrowbody" plans with the width widened. I then ran across some pics of a widebody right next to a narrowbody and the differences are obvious. (I believe that each is an original cab). Did jakobud simply ASSUME that the only difference was the width and not bother to measure (or use someone elses measurements)? I've attached the pic showing this.
I'm not intending this to be a jakobud bashing, I do appreciate him for taking the time to draw these up and host them. I just wish he'd fix them if found wrong, or at least add an asterisk that those plans might not be right, or that he guestimated. It would really suck to build a cab to those dimensions only to find out when done that they were wrong....
Jakobud's cab dims are wrong for the Galaga/Ms Pac cabinet. The lower front of the real cabinet is not sloped like he has it. If you want your cabinet to be indistinguishable from the real thing, you better get your dims somewhere else. :(
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Your not going to try and put words in my mouth which is what your trying to do at this point which is so obvious. Your just ignorant.
I don't know if you're right about that ... ::)
Are you really gonna meltdown here like you seem to everywhere else ? Threaten to people because they disagree or just because some people called you on some facts ?
Have you ever asked Jake how he does his plans ? What his methodology is ? I have.
HAHAHA. I never melt down, I simply want you to prove all your statements you make and you haven't yet.. BS walks and money talks baby!.
Start proving something. It's one thing to disagree, and one thing to state facts. Yes I disagree in the way your telling people on here how I came about my templates and/or cabinets. You really don't know like I said until you buy a template or cabinet from me and measure it. I guess if you keep slinging mud at the walls something will soon stick. (Hell I feel like I'm playing catch here with a small kid) back and forth - back and forth... You should really consider doing your homework and do us all a favor stay off line.
I am the type of person that will answer and prove any question given to me. Your actually giving me business at the moment which I highly appreciate. No one ever had any problems or measurement issues with my stuff.
Right now I have three types of upright full cabinets on my site, a Galaga, a Nintendo and a Pac Man. Do you not think that we don't have those original basic games??? (Everyone does) Hell I even have an original Super Pac Man I am restoring which is pictured in the projects area of our site. We will soon have a template profile for that cabinet as well and that's an original too and yet another cabinet we will look at and make as well!!!
So like I said I only want you to prove your statements and not come in here to bash me, really makes you look bad.
OHHH please tell me my spelling mistakes, I get so caught up in the moment on here responding to you I forget to fix them!..
I'm done here, I said all I can say!. Simply put - we love the hobby and were glad to contribute to it like all others are.. Have a nice day!
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Right now I have three types of upright full cabinets on my site, a Galaga, a Nintendo and a Pac Man. Do you not think that we don't have those original basic games??? (Everyone does) Hell I even have an original Super Pac Man I am restoring which is pictured in the projects area of our site. We will soon have a template profile for that cabinet as well and that's an original too and yet another cabinet we will look at and make as well!!!
If you did, then why did you twice have to use other's people's pictures of their cabs ? Why not take pictures of your cabs ?
So like I said I only want you to prove your statements and not come in here to bash me, really makes you look bad.
See my EDIT2 above. I leave it to the reader to determine if I have done my homework and if I have provided proof.
One of us has credibility, PR, grammar and spelling problems ...
We have the following patterns cut using a cnc router using 3/16 peg board material and they are 100 percent accurate to the jackobud plans.
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I'm not sure how or even if I should moderate this thread...
- I'm not banning anyone. I haven't seen anything to warrant a banning, and even if I did I don't ban without a bunch of warnings first.
- I will ask folks to mind rule #1 and be nice to each other. Don't have to agree or like anyone, but courtesy please.
- I believe in and cherish free speech within the guidelines I've posted in the rules. That includes comments both positive and negative, critical or supportive. That also includes the right to respond to comments. Rule #1 please.
- I am not a lawyer. However I believe charges of libel or slander carry some burden of proof with them, and that criticism does not automatically equate with libel or slander. This can be particularly touchy with a commercial offering where someone's livelihood is involved. I am firmly a believer in the rights of consumers and potential consumers to make informed decisions however, which means discussions of this nature are not only inevitable, but warranted. I guess this boils back down to asking folks to mind rule #1 in these discussions.
- I'm also mindful that vendors face a tough crowd here, in that there's a serious do-it-yourself culture here and profit margins are slim. With that in mind, I'll ask folks to give vendors somewhat of a break while still feeling free to discuss their offerings (guess once again that's a long winded "rule #1" please).
- Vendors also need to know your offerings are going to get critically examined and discussed here. Don't take it personally and if that doesn't work for you then this is the wrong forum for you.
I have high hopes that MCA will become yet another respected and valued vendor in the community tempting me out of my hard earned money. There's probably something else I should say but I'm watching the Olympics dangit!
--- saint
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OK, in the interest of providing some constructive criticism, here are some issues that I would have as a potential client (or if a potential client asked me) of MCA, based on the MCA site and posts here:
Bosconian, TMK, is not the same as Galaga, but is a shallower cab (although I understand that some Bosconians were put in Galaga cabs). I have a Galaga, but don't have a Bosconian, so am relying on what I have read on KLOV/RGVAC.
There was an RGVAC discussion that mentioned that the monitor mounts and coin door cutouts were different between MsPac and Galaga. I don't have a MsPac, so can't verify.
Rally-X, TMK, is not the same as PacMan, but is a shallower cab with some differences in shape. I have a PacMan, but not a Rally-X, so am relying on what I have read on KLOV/RGVAC.
There has been some confusion as to the degree to which the cabs and cutouts are based on Jakobud's plans. The initial posting said they were 100% accurate to Jakobud's plans while some subsequent postings that indicate that the Galaga, Nintendo and PacMan cabs are based on plans made directly from dedicated cabinets. Absolute clarity here would go a long way.
The three cabinets have "Standard Coin Door Cutout" listed as a feature on the website, while the initial posting of the Nintendo cab here indicated "Standard Coin Door Cutout for HAPP doors". This is confusing, particularly since there are a truckload of different Happ doors (NOTE: Mike's uses "Standard Coin Door Cutout for Happ Coin doors Pinball Style", so perhaps that's where the confusion came from). Since the MCA cabinets are built to order, I would recommend something along the lines of "Coin Door Cutout To Buyer's Specifications" (useful for those who perhaps can't find that minty Midway or Nintendo door). Besides, I think that Happ Over/Under doors look better than the pinball style doors on a Nintendo cabinet.
I have no problem with folks selling cabs or templates based on Jake's plans -- have a look at the pics of the Nintendo replica on MCA's site (http://www.michiganclassicarcade.com/photos.html) -- it's a nice looking cabinet. BUT, it would be a total disaster if someone ordered a cabinet, then ordered some expensive artwork or specialty parts only to find that things just didn't line up. And we don't have enough consistent information to just blindly trust that everything will.
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Well, if someone, I don't care who, wants to send me a flat packed cocktail cabinet ready for assembly, I'm ready to press (a reasonable amount of) money into your hands.
^ I'm with stupid. ^
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This thread makes Baby Pac-Man cry. :'(
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This thread makes Baby Pac-Man cry. :'(
He's a baby -- that's what babies do! >:D
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OK, in the interest of providing some constructive criticism, here are some issues that I would have as a potential client (or if a potential client asked me) of MCA, based on the MCA site and posts here:
Bosconian, TMK, is not the same as Galaga, but is a shallower cab (although I understand that some Bosconians were put in Galaga cabs). I have a Galaga, but don't have a Bosconian, so am relying on what I have read on KLOV/RGVAC.
There was an RGVAC discussion that mentioned that the monitor mounts and coin door cutouts were different between MsPac and Galaga. I don't have a MsPac, so can't verify.
Rally-X, TMK, is not the same as PacMan, but is a shallower cab with some differences in shape. I have a PacMan, but not a Rally-X, so am relying on what I have read on KLOV/RGVAC.
There has been some confusion as to the degree to which the cabs and cutouts are based on Jakobud's plans. The initial posting said they were 100% accurate to Jakobud's plans while some subsequent postings that indicate that the Galaga, Nintendo and PacMan cabs are based on plans made directly from dedicated cabinets. Absolute clarity here would go a long way.
The three cabinets have "Standard Coin Door Cutout" listed as a feature on the website, while the initial posting of the Nintendo cab here indicated "Standard Coin Door Cutout for HAPP doors". This is confusing, particularly since there are a truckload of different Happ doors (NOTE: Mike's uses "Standard Coin Door Cutout for Happ Coin doors Pinball Style", so perhaps that's where the confusion came from). Since the MCA cabinets are built to order, I would recommend something along the lines of "Coin Door Cutout To Buyer's Specifications" (useful for those who perhaps can't find that minty Midway or Nintendo door). Besides, I think that Happ Over/Under doors look better than the pinball style doors on a Nintendo cabinet.
I have no problem with folks selling cabs or templates based on Jake's plans -- have a look at the pics of the Nintendo replica on MCA's site (http://www.michiganclassicarcade.com/photos.html) -- it's a nice looking cabinet. BUT, it would be a total disaster if someone ordered a cabinet, then ordered some expensive artwork or specialty parts only to find that things just didn't line up. And we don't have enough consistent information to just blindly trust that everything will.
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You do make a valid point as to the coin door text I have on our web site which I have changed because that was a good idea. When I stated "Standard coin door cutout" I mean that the cabinet's coin door area will indeed be cut for the customer. Below is an original Midway coin door I am restoring right now so you can see what one looks like. As I said before we make according to what we have as an original to go off from. (I know everyone loves photos so here we go) :) These are the measurements we use unless otherwise specified by the customer at time of payment for the coin door according to the cabinet's original coin door. If we duplicate a cabinet putting in an over/under coin door on a Ms Pac Man wouldn't be built to that original so we wouldn't do that normally for that type of cabinet obviously. However if the customer asked us for it we would be glad to cut that hole that way. No problem at all!
(http://www.michiganclassicarcade.com/restoration/midwaycoindoor.jpg)
As for the other games on our site listed in the column for specific cabinets we make I too do not have those games but Wikipedia lists them. (I will remove those so they don't confuse anyone). Wikipedia shows that those other games came in those type of (Pac Man Style) cabinets so I listed them. If you want to know where I got the information from it was Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally-X (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally-X)) Pac man. Was a Namco product obviously, other games were supported in that upright cabinet. (Photo on right side in the right panel shows this). Also if you notice the years are all the same so if it's 1980, Pac Man, Puckman, Rally-x and Galaxian came in that same cabinet in 1980 which was the release dates on those games. I know first hand because I just broke down an old Galaxian cabinet to build a new one!!!!!!!
Initially I may have misspoke and told everyone our cabinets are made 100% from the jakobud plans, however what I meant was, is that we referred to jakobud on some for comparison and found they were almost 100% accurate anyway but some were also lacking or missing data. (if we don't have the cab we will ask around) And that any cabinet we build without an original on hand first will be cut according to those online plans or WHAT ORIGINAL CAB OWNERS TELL US. Like I said it's not hard to copy a cabinet, there is not much to duplicate inside anyway. The hardest one for us was the Nintendo cabinet because of the coin box/frame and shelf it sits on. Were still waiting to pay someone to send us one so we can use it as a model to build them (I just bought 3 Nintendo original DK coin doors) and wish to offer these in those cabinets or I will sell them on the site as soon as I clean them and test them. So if anyone has an original DK coin box/frame with shelf i will indeed buy it from you other wise on our DK cabinet your going to get an over/under cut out unless you specify at time of payment of course.
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Rally X and Bosconian share a cabinet style that is different than Galaga, that is different from Ms pac that is again different from Pac man :) only thing similar is the shape.
You following the original thicknesses of wood? looks like the nintendo cab is made of 3/4 material when the originals weren't. Might want to look into that.
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Rally X and Bosconian share a cabinet style that is different than Galaga, that is different from Ms pac that is again different from Pac man :) only thing similar is the shape.
You following the original thicknesses of wood? looks like the nintendo cab is made of 3/4 material when the originals weren't. Might want to look into that.
We decided to go with 3/4" MDF material on our cabinets.
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We decided to sell other people's plans as our own.
Fixed that for ya. ;)
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Seriously ... I like the idea of templates, but the seller's recent eBay auctions have revealed that he is lying about many of the things that he claims and is selling other people's plans.
And, sadly, while his website gives the impression of secure payments ... your credit card info is sent to him for processing, not directed to a secure processing site.
He stole from Kyle and stole from Jake ... do you really think he won't steal from you ?
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Yeah, I saw your warning about the credit card issue.
F this guy.
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Your all sadly mistaken, our credits are processed through First Data through the Linkpoint Gateway. And we do not steal plans from people, we take them from original cabinets. If you can't prove your statements, then don't post anything. Your comments have once again been reported to the MOD.
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RE: Credit card processing -- your site does not validate cards and does not provide an immediate confirmation as a secure passthrough would. It just submits to your site and says "thanks for your order! We'll send you an email". If *I* am wrong and it is a secure direct processing, then please prove it.
RE: Selling Jake's plans:
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll117/maxelll3752/sample.jpg)
saint's note - this image has been altered from the original by the photobucket.com account owner. Original is attached
That pic is from your auction and represent Jake's plans.
So, please tell me where I was wrong.
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Your comments have once again been reported to the MOD.
Once again you wasted your time.
Edit: Did you really just report THIS?
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Credit cards are processed through a gateway, gateway information is not given to the buyer. The last 4 numbers of a credit card and address is the only thing we see and the amount after it. Once First Data processes your payment on our site you get an email with all the information in it sent directly from the Linkpoint system. I have been a webmaster for 20 years, and also had my merchant account for almost 20 years. My merchant account is impeccable and not every website works the same. Any more questions and you'll have to talk to my coder about that. If you honestly think I'm stealing credit card info, that is a drastic statement and can land you in court for Slander. Again you must prove what you say, if you can't then STFU already you troll. If I was proven to be stealing credit cards and using them, don't you thin I would be sitting in a 8x8 jail sell already you dumb FU**. Credit cards is a federal deal man!.
Again prove what you say before your pole smoker makes you look stupid.
If you three trolls have a problem with my site and myself, simply don't go to it, and simply don't buy from it, I do not want your business so go the FU** away.
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That's Cheffo's argument....
I'm still waiting to hear how those plans are yours and not Kyle's and Jakobud's.
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If you three trolls have a problem with my site and myself, simply don't go to it, and simply don't buy from it, I do not want your business so go the FU** away.
Classy...
We obviously have no interest in doing business with you. We're just trying to prevent others from doing it, especially when you're selling plans that are freely available and the authors are requesting they NOT be sold. (Unless you can prove that they ARE yours, at which point I'll delete all my comments to the contrary)
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Well that's slander and I want your information. Please give me your name and address so I can send you something in the mail from my lawyer. If you can prove what you say, you have no problem appearing in court right? No we are not selling other's plans.
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You can sue anyone for anything. Doesn't mean you'll win.
The burden of proof is on you at the moment.
It's not like we were the first people to cry foul at your so-called goods and services.
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hahahahah... keep it going man. I love it.
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Man, I've wasted too much time on this guy. We honestly question him and he replies by calling us names, swearing, and making threats.
At this point, just based on demeanor alone, I don't see why anyone would do business with him.
Factor in that he's more than likely ripping off the contributions of members of this community and I see no reason to deal with him anymore.
It's best that he just go away. He's done here.
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Well that's slander and I want your information. Please give me your name and address so I can send you something in the mail from my lawyer. If you can prove what you say, you have no problem appearing in court right? No we are not selling other's plans.
Sheesh ... again ... it's libel. Slander is spoken or gesticular.
I sent you another PM concerning the CC processing (just in case, being a webmaster since before the proposal for WWW was implemented, you may have been hoodwinked by your coder) and you already have enough information to have me served.
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Slandering My Business using the Forums
Comment made by: Michigan Classic Arcade
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Slandering My Business using the Forums
Comment made by: Michigan Classic Arcade
Hey, that makes us practically related! (I got that too and have already reported it)
You can't use the feedback form in this capacity. It's not what it's for.
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Well here is Jake's plans that are freely available on his site. Looks pretty much IDENTICAL if you ask me.
Encryptor
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Destroying evidence doesn't help your case. (see eBay listings)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=250596626058 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=250596626058)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=250601752846 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=250601752846)
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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I am not a lawyer. However, as I understand it the burden of proof in a claim of libel or slander lies with the person making the claim. I believe there is a difference between libel/slander/defamation (hereafter grouped simply as libel but encompassing all terms) and a statement of opinion. I also believe a statement of truth is not libel, even if the statement is of a negative nature towards a business. It is my belief that statements of opinion and statements of truth are Constitutionally protected free speech.
I believe one of the values in a web forum such as this is the free and frank discussions of the merits and other factors concerning merchants who sell products related to this hobby -- be those comments positive or negative.
Although some of the language and tone used have been harsher than I would prefer on this forum, I have not seen anything warranting a ban and will not be taking any such action at this time.
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Take note of where the harsh comments have originated. It wasn't on this side. I think the regulars here have been quite restrained in tone, actually.
Now, can we take care of this negative feedback on my profile? ;D
Thanks Saint!
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Feedback removed. I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that trader feedback should only be used when an actual transaction has taken place.